Chuck versus the NeoGAF - The Official Season 4 Thread - Mondays on NBC

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The spoiler could be very funny if it is someone other than Yvonne, but oh so nice (and annoying) if it is.

She does enough on the show to drive fanboys mad. Going there would just be more torture.
 
I kind of want them to get back to the main storyline which it looks like they will.

It feels like nothing but filler for the past couple of episodes.
 
Yeah, it was fun and I preferred it to last week but the Chuck and Sarah stuff needs to take a back seat for a while.

Happy for more of this though:
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Last night's episode was entertaining. My interest in 'Chuck' is waning away. The initial concept is what kept me hooked. The previous episodes (current season) had become background noise, barely held my attention. I'm saying the show is now terrible! ...I'm just finding it not as interesting or as engrossing of a experience as before.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed it, much better than last week IMO.

So, Chuck smiled at the very end, right? When he was 'supposedly' asleep? Just making sure I didn't imagine it.
 
Himuro said:
Last night's Chuck sucked. In fact, the past two episodes have sucked due to the relationship shit. They are ruining a GOOD THING. Last season they did the WILL HE?! WILL SHE?!?! thing the entire season and the season finale was great payoff after 3 seasons of build up.

Now we're at stage one again. WILL HE?! WILL SHE?!?! WILL THEY?!?!?!! GET MARRIED?!?!?!?1 is now the main topic instead of continuing with an entertaining spy team relationship.

Chuck does not NEED this. Just concentrate on finding his mom. Sarah and Chuck being a hilarious tag team like two episodes ago is what the show is all about. This marriage stuff is stupid and garbage especially when you factor in that the whole thing was an accident anyways and yet Chuck keeps playing like he did the shit on purpose. FUCK
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For the record, my wife absolutely loves this stuff. So it kinda does serve a purpose, even if us GAF-types don't really like it.
 
megashock5 said:
I thoroughly enjoyed it, much better than last week IMO.

So, Chuck smiled at the very end, right? When he was 'supposedly' asleep? Just making sure I didn't imagine it.
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Yeah. I saw that happening as soon Chuck mentioned it to Sarah earlier in the ep.
 
I have a bad feeling about the ratings today, but we'll have to wait and see. Between all the sports on, lack of promotion, and various weather/cable issues, I'm a bit concerned.
megashock5 said:
So, Chuck smiled at the very end, right? When he was 'supposedly' asleep? Just making sure I didn't imagine it.
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Yup, he did.
stuminus3 said:
For the record, my wife absolutely loves this stuff. So it kinda does serve a purpose, even if us GAF-types don't really like it.
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There's a certain demographic that really likes it when they focus on the relationship stuff. Maybe shipper-gate from last season forced their hand. :P
 
Himuro said:
Last night's Chuck sucked. In fact, the past two episodes have sucked due to the relationship shit. They are ruining a GOOD THING. Last season they did the WILL HE?! WILL SHE?!?! thing the entire season and the season finale was great payoff after 3 seasons of build up.

Now we're at stage one again. WILL HE?! WILL SHE?!?! WILL THEY?!?!?!! GET MARRIED?!?!?!?1 is now the main topic instead of continuing with an entertaining spy team relationship.
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:lol Himuro, you summed up my main annoyance with the last two. I was really looking forward to a season free of the appalling soap opera drama that plagued prior seasons, but the way they are executing their relationship dynamic is basically no different and it continues to suck a lot the fun out of the show. All their little relationship problems are so manufactured and uninvolving, that i've begun to tune them out.

The obvious budget constraints, leading to the smaller number of regulars, could be to blame, but, even if that's the case, it's still lazy writing. They could do so much more interesting stuff with a spy couple, instead of having them blather on about marriage and long term prospects.

Bah. I feel like a total whiny bitch. It had some good moments in there. Armand Assante's return was awesome and i liked the moments between Morgan and Big Mike.

It probably doesn't help that i'm watching Human Target at the moment, which blends spy, action and comedy elements extremely well, with very little romantic angst to speak of, plus some amazing location work and music. Not to mention the great action scenes that make Chuck's seem limp and downright boring in comparison.
 
Spotless Mind said:
:lol Himuro, you summed up my main annoyance with the last two. I was really looking forward to a season free of the appalling soap opera drama that plagued prior seasons, but the way they are executing their relationship dynamic is basically no different and it continues to suck a lot the fun out of the show. All their little relationship problems are so manufactured and uninvolving, that i've begun to tune them out.
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I think I have accepted that as long as the show involves Schwartz it is going to be full of annoying relationship drama. As I sort of alluded to earlier in my post-episode thoughts, it actually didn't bug me too much last night. I think it was because the actual issues were somewhat believable for once (the lack of communication, not the stupid marriage crap). This in contrast to last week which was so manufactured that it actually hurt the entire episode, which was fairly average to start with.

Of course the entire lack of communication only exists because of how the characters were written over the last two seasons to have such highly manufactured TV drama that no normal pair of human beings should have issues with. Unfortunately, I have a feeling this is going to be another situation like "Vs. the Fake Name" where they point out something stupid about how the show is written, tell a few jokes about it, and then continue to do the same stupid thing in a completely serious manner by the next episode (or by the end of the episode in Fake Name's case). But who knows, hopefully I will be wrong and they will just leave their relationship in the background for a few episodes.
 
Last night was a step up from last week. Armand Assante was still great as the Generalissimo, and Ellie and Awesome were hilarious. The Morgan/Alex/Casey parts are so funny I'm almost seeing myself become a Morlex shipper :lol

While it didn't annoy me as much as last week, I completely agree about the Chuck/Sarah relationship. The problem isn't that there are issues, we've had them from the beginning of season 1; but since last season, it's taken a bigger role in the episodes (save for S3.5 which was mostly shipper-free) and we've returned to that state. This season, the spy part doesn't seem to have a clear, logical direction and all we're seeing is episodic missions where maybe they'll get a single clue about Chuck's mom. Hopefully that will pick up
with Mama B's scheduled return next week
, but in the meantime they've diverted all of the attention to Chuck and Sarah's private life, too much for my liking. The marriage crap is dumb and forced. I think they could keep everyone happy if they toned it down just a little (to maybe 1/3 of the episode instead of 2/3), but Schwartz loves his teen drama too much for that. At least it doesn't suck as much when they take a fun approach to it (4.02 and last night)

Still, so far the season is still good, better than S3.0 but a step down from S3.5. S2 > S3.5 > S4 > S1 > S3.0
 
Ratings....
MediaWeek said:
Over at NBC, there is problems aplenty beginning with Chuck, which is not strong enough to anchor Monday at just a fourth-place finish in both total viewers (5.35 million) and adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5) at 8 p.m. Without the necessary lead-in support, week four of The Event lost more steam, with 6.45 million viewers (#3) and a 2.2/ 5 in the demo (#2) from 9-10 p.m. In just three weeks, The Event has dipped by a hefty 4.43 million viewers and 39 percent among adults 18-49 from its debut on Sept. 20. Although The Event avoids the listing of losers for still building by double-digits from Chuck, more erosion next week will be unforgivable. At 10 p.m., week four of lead-out Chase finished a distant third with a series-low 5.00 million viewers and a 1.5/ 4 among adults 18-49.
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I especially love all the women gathered around the statue ogling it.

And about those ratings Cornballer, not a good sign. Hopefully the weather and the pre-emptions are taken into account.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
And about those ratings Cornballer, not a good sign. Hopefully the weather and the pre-emptions are taken into account.
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The raw numbers aren't good for Chuck, but it's not as if they started high this season after the lack of promotion. At least Chuck is holding somewhat steady while everything else continues to decline. NBC can't be happy about Chuck's numbers, but they're starting to look better in comparison to what everything else is doing. Keep in mind that Mediaweek hates Chuck.

Hollywood Reporter perspective:
NBC's "Chuck" (5.3 million, 1.9) victoriously did not drop. "The Event" (6.5 million, 2.2) ebbed again, down 8%. "Chase" (5 million, 1.5) is in the danger zone, down 12%.
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Cornballer said:
The raw numbers aren't good for Chuck, but it's not as if they started high this season after the lack of promotion. At least Chuck is holding somewhat steady while everything else continues to decline. NBC can't be happy about Chuck's numbers, but they're starting to look better in comparison to what everything else is doing. Keep in mind that Mediaweek hates Chuck.

Hollywood Reporter perspective:
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Looks a bit better when read that way.
 
Finally finished the episode.

Alex at the end of the episode...DAMN. Did she get hotter since last season? Just, damn.

Funny episode. Always great to see Armand Assante, and loved the Awesome statue. Now I anxiously await Casey hating Morgan more than ever.
 
Cornballer said:
Seriously. Can someone snip the gif so it's just Captain Awesome going "Wooooow"?
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Not surprised by the ratings considering it never gets any love from nbc. I am not sure nbc has that many shows that could replace Chuck anyways and do better than the Chuck ratings.
 
Angry Grimace said:
Alex is far too attractive to get picked up by Morgan.

I think that's a recurring theme on this show :lol
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Why? It isn't always about looks for women. Morgan helped her a lot when she was in danger, he's funny, and he has a great job.

I loved that ep though... everything I love about chuck and I'm glad they got the ellie secret out of the way.
 
The ratings weren't as bad as I feared. The one bad thing about Chuck being back in the fall is that it is up against Monday Night Football. Since the show skews toward a male audience that has got to hurt. That and when NBC advertises it during their Sunday night game, it is sort of wasted since that audience is just going to be watching football again on Monday night most likely, no matter how good Chuck looks to them.
 
Nice Episode this week once again loved Armand Assante. :D

Can't complete all audio tracks this week Amazon.com won't sell me the songs and Amazon.de doesn't have them.
 
Wads said:
Why? It isn't always about looks for women. Morgan helped her a lot when she was in danger, he's funny, and he has a great job.

I loved that ep though... everything I love about chuck and I'm glad they got the ellie secret out of the way.
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They didn't.

He told Ellie he was "looking for mom," not, "I'm back to spying because Mom is possibly a spy/doubleagent." The flow of that conversation implied she had no idea her mom was anything other than a garden-variety deadbeat.

Also, women only care about those things on television because real women are about as shallow as most men.
 
Spitz said:
Nice Episode this week once again loved Armand Assante. :D

Can't complete all audio tracks this week Amazon.com won't sell me the songs and Amazon.de doesn't have them.
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Armand Assante should just become a regular.

Really sweet episode, didn't feel like filler.
 
Very good episode,much better than last week.

Awesome moments = priceless.

More build-up for Chuck and Sarah's relationship is okay.

Didn't quite feel like the filler episode that was last week, but we'll see.
 
czartim said:
If only those things really mattered...
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Well, I know plenty of women that go for those types of things. Maybe it's a matter of where you are located, but not all women are shallow. Being funny does matter to a lot of women. If you are funny and have confidence, it does help you a bit. And having a good job means you have money and are successful at least in that aspect of life... and isn't having money part of being shallow? Even if it's subconscious. Maybe you disagree, but Morgan/Alex doesn't strike me as a mismatch.
 
We need that Captain Awesome gif to be cut so that it's just his reaction to the statue. It's classic :lol
 
Wads said:
Well, I know plenty of women that go for those types of things. Maybe it's a matter of where you are located, but not all women are shallow. Being funny does matter to a lot of women. If you are funny and have confidence, it does help you a bit. And having a good job means you have money and are successful at least in that aspect of life... and isn't having money part of being shallow? Even if it's subconscious. Maybe you disagree, but Morgan/Alex doesn't strike me as a mismatch.
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Was just fuckin' with ya, dude. :D
 
czartim said:
Was just fuckin' with ya, dude. :D
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Hmm, okay. With the last few episodes focus on the relationship and a lot of those issues resolved I'm assuming they'll rein back on that stuff and get back to the main story line.
The preview sort of indicates that as well.
 
Hrmmm... after a very good episode and an all-time classic episode, we've gotten 2 straight mediocre ones. I think we're definitely seeing the results of the gutted writer's room. However, let me go against the grain and say something positive here. Wait, what? This episode was mediocre in all the usual ways Chuck can be mediocre (not particularly engaging mission, not very funny, too much focus on Chuck and Sarah, lack of action), but where others are seeing a negative and Im seeing a positive is with respect to Chuck and Sarah. I DON'T think Relationship Drama (TM) is the new Relationship Angst (TM). It seems quite clear to me that, unlike their 3 year will they/won't they soul-sucking trek, Chuck and Sarah will tie the knot this season. Schwartz and Fedak have to know that this is likely it for the show, and are therefore no longer in the position of having to pad the relationship garbage out. The final scene was an affirmation of this for me. So yeah, mediocre episode, but for once, I'm not leading the relationship hate brigade.

- Costa Gravian Subway shilling :lol
- I wonder if Yvonne ever gets tired of being used as a piece of meat :lol Either way, it goes without saying that she looked incredibly sexy in all those bikinis
- Devon: “way to go, Marble-Me!” “Dude, they blew my head off!”
- I enjoyed the scene with Chuck and Sarah talking down the baddies
- nice ass grab by the General :lol
 
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