Thelonelykoopa
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The best solution would clearly be to use a time machine to arrest the man before he got in the car as their no need to destroy such a fine car the Police Force could make good money selling it .
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Cincinnati braces for footage release in campus cop killing (Up: Murder charge)
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The best solution would clearly be to use a time machine to arrest the man before he got in the car as their no need to destroy such a fine car the Police Force could make good money selling it .
xDUMPWEEDx
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Quote the post where I objected, except for my last post stating that a potential dangerous pursuit was not worth doing for this particular offense.
Dreams-Visions
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It is in large part the influx of former active military entering the police profession after retiring from the armed services. All those years of "policing" in the middle east...seems quite a bit of the mentalities and approaches came back along with them.
Further complicated by police living farther and farther away from the communities they police. Lack of relationship with communities and their members has a big impact on this kinda thing. When you know the people of a community, you can reasonably anticipate what they're going to do, what they're about, where they live, etc.
Also, you're funny asking if police have been a problem among the black community. You already know the answer to that. If you don't, I'm happy to recommend some educational materials for you.
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No, no, no, you need to stop his parents from conceiving him.
Have you learned nothing from the Terminator franchise? We can't let him even be born.
Well for starters he never should have just tried to open the guys door. If he wanted him to get out of the car, he should have ASKED him to.
Second, he never should have reached into the open window when the guy started the car.
And of course, he never should have pulled his gun.
If he was worried about this guy being a thread, it would've been abundantly clear from the very beginning, but he wasn't. Dude reached into his glove box and closed it without any problems, reached down to hand him the bottle without any problems, and was never aggressive or posed a threat. It was the cop that escalated the situation by reaching for the door (which could be considered against the 4th amendment), reaching through the window (also possibly against the 4th amendment), and executing him when he had his hands in the air.
Quote the post I stated anything resembling that please.
Establishing safe and fair police protocol is the solution to these types of incidents. Violating these agreed upon protocols should be charged 100% of the time.
Quote the post where "GAF" wants a vehicle pursuit.
Protocols are already in place. There are police on this very forum that will say as such. There are cops who break protocol. These cops are numerous enough that I have an unease around police officers in general.
But that's neither here nor there.
What I take from this, is any form of disagreement with the police can be met with deadly force. You just don't know. There's many really good police out there who do their jobs well, and aren't out there because it feels good to have the power of a badge and gun.
But you don't know which one is going to pull you over. And the one that doesn't like the vibe that you give off might want to reinforce the fact that he is the one in control. Pushing back could get you killed.
That's real. It's even more real if you're a minority.
Minority Report takes on a whole different meaning in the US
Which was both suggested in the OP and quoted / echo'd numerous times before you claimed nobody discussed it and refused to answer a simple question with a real answer, only conjecture on how pursuits are dangerous.
If you really just wanted a conversation about protocol, ask about it.
Lys Skygge
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Better than a cop acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Smh...
DrForester
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Yes, but there was no reasonable danger here. Danger requiring pursuit is something like a Drunk Driver, an armed assailant, or someone else who is clearly a danger.
You're objecting to his suggestions with your problem with the alternatives, by having some odd need to drone on about vehicle pursuits being dangerous when many people have replied suggesting that as only an alternative, and not even necessarily that it means to go full speed racing down neighborhoods. But no, there are no options? What would you do GAF? You would have done the same! or Driving fast is bad mmkay.
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Like I said, it's good that you clarified after pressured that he should have just called it in, as was suggested to you. But let's not pretend you weren't trolling people, xDUMPWEEDx.
Zeus Molecules
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watching it in slo mo it really looks like the cop grabs dubose just to shoot him. It wasn't even a scuffle really
xDUMPWEEDx
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Legitimate posts were noted. Having to read through countless rocket launcher posts and other stupidity detracted from the conversation.
I think a complete police protocol overhaul needs to be worked on ASAP. One where the community is involved.
TAJ
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Well, with police aim being what it is, that's a good move.
Ninja Scooter
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the problem isn't in the protocol, it's that the protocol is too often ignored or broken by police officers with almost no repercussions. The fact that an officer (seemingly) being held accountable for once is so noteworthy is fucking sad.
Not that I'm on the cop's side (he acted deplorably), but with something like this, I don't think it's exactly fair to judge in slow motion. Perception and context can easily get more distorted when you put something in slow motion.
That doesn't mean he didn't try to hold his hand down, but, at the same time, it doesn't mean he did.
It's ridiculous his gun was even drawn in the first place. I'm pretty sure no police protocol calls for drawing in that kind of situation.
Zeus Molecules
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captainnapalm
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I really don't want to watch the video again, but it seemed to me that the cop told him to take his seatbelt off and tried to open his door, at which point he started his car and all hell broke loose. He just should have complied. You have no power in that situation - the guy opposite you has a gun and he will use it, and the state is probably going to be ok with him using it 9 times out of 10.
If I was black in America and had a kid, I'd stress to him how important it was to just do whatever a cop tells him to if he ever got into a situation with one.
I'm sure there are a lot of reasonable cops, but you never know if you're going to be dealing with one of these trigger-happy nutjobs that make it onto youtube.
xDUMPWEEDx
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I agree, and I'm glad it's happening. No one wants a police state. I don't even think most police want a police state. The super aggressive style of policing isn't needed in most cases.
As a former Marine who was stationed in 29 Palms, California, you have no idea how right you are. The LAPD constantly had a presence on base trying to recruit people. They were trying HARD. Don't know if it's changed since though. I'm not saying us vets shouldn't be police, I'm just saying that there isn't enough work done to make sure hot heads aren't weeded out. It's such a bad mix that I think you should have to "work in" to being a full blown cop...or something. I don't know how law enforcement does their training so I have no idea.
But the "Us against them" mindset is a very real fucking thing when you're overseas. Mix in the fucking old military gear and you have a police force that's...well, shooting unarmed people every three weeks like clockwork.
HP_Wuvcraft
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You really don't think that's exactly what black parents tell their kids?
Please be less transparent with your racism next time.
Well, the Freddie Gray cops in Baltimore were indicted and charged.
We'll see how that goes. It could be "first."
Joel Was Right
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But why was he refusing to co-operate or undo his seatbelt? I've seen many of these videos that escalate to a physical confrontation and they tend to begin with the person refusing to do something like getting out of the vehicle.
Anton Sugar
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Your right to live, as a human being, shouldn't take a backseat to fear when you're pulled over for a license plate.
Well yea. Or he could have waited for backup or just let the man go. He really stopped him for not having plates on the front.
He had the back plates and the man told him he could run his name. If the car sped off he could have called it in later.
It would never have been a murder charge without the camera. He could always say during the struggle he reached for the gun or was trying to or some other shit like being dragged and it would be self defense or voluntary manslaughter. Video showed he had no reason to feel enough danger to use lethal force.
BlueTsunami
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Not complying shouldn't result in death. Yes the reality now is different to what is ideal but having to act like a second class citizen to avoid death by cop is wrong. No matter how you cut it.
Crimson_Gold
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This is one of the first things I learned growing up. Don't give cops any reason to react. Unfortunately, everything is a reason to react.
I'm just angry right now
But if you're white it's okay?
Get the fuck out of here. There should be no difference.
You think cops haven't planted evidence on innocent (black) people before? Black people (and other brown-skinned minorities) are suspicious of cops because they're constantly being targeted and fucked over.
The point I'm not making, before someone decides to misconstrue it, is that people should disobey cops. I'm saying people have rights, and cops consistently ignore these rights, especially if you're a minority.
MWS Natural
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I wish people would start their posts with this so I can save the time in having to read the rest.
xDUMPWEEDx
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Don't worry I completely understand what you are saying.
I think the response to this situation should be different. Currently it's a "get out or I will make you get out" which leads to physical confrontation and a high chance of injury/death. There has to be a safer option for all involved.
captainnapalm
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That's a bizarre response. I wasn't suggesting they don't, I'm sure most do.
I'm not saying the situation's not fucked up, it's just about doing what you need to do to make sure you end up alive.
I had an interaction or two with police during my youth, and I remember that feeling of powerlessness. I remember really wanting to stand up for myself, but you just have to take it.
Don't.
Just don't.
I'm going to preemptively state that reinforcing the narrative that a victim 'should've just listened' is toxic because it implies that the issue lies with the victim, that there's nothing wrong with the cops action because 'that's just what cops do', and that there's no such overlaying problem that allows both this tragedy to exist and to be swept under a rug.
MWS Natural
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White people (sometimes even armed) refuse to cooperate all the time and it doesn't end in death. There are countless youtube videos of this.
Refusing to cooperate shouldn't = death.
Alebrije
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USA gaf : if you are parking and keep in the car and someone call the cops because you look suspicious, does the cop has the right to ask you to get out of the car?
Here in Mexico hardly someone will call the cops if you park infron of a house or any place unless you really RALLY!! look suspicious and event then a cop can not ask you to get out of your car.
Here in Mexico hardly someone will call the cops if you park infron of a house or any place unless you really RALLY!! look suspicious and event then a cop can not ask you to get out of your car.
Chie Satonaka
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It doesn't matter.
If the standard is "full compliance or your life is forfeit", then there's a problem. We don't know why he refused. He can't tell his story. HE'S DEAD.
EdibleKnife
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Like, what world do you live in where an officer that was willing to kill this guy wouldn't just figure out some other way to make the encounter miserable? These "comply comply comply" excuses don't change the fact the man died for no reason. They don't change the fact that the PD was 1 lost video away from covering this up as a justified shooting. They don't change the fact that the amount of unjustified shootings and assaults is continuing to climb. Maybe stop suggesting what black people should and shouldn't do in these situations like this hasn't been the tenor of black lives in the US for centuries (we aren't the ones that have been ignorant to this crap) and start suggesting what the rest of the US should start doing to stop graves from filling up at the hands of the people supposedly here to protect and serve.
Ingueferroque
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What? That was not racism.
The guy did start his car and attempt to flee the scene, he did not deserve to be shot, but honestly, he should have complied. He knew the risk he was taking with today's police force.
I get that, but the 'he should not have attempted to flee in his position' comment has nothing to do with his race. The fact that he was black unfortunately, probably did help him in getting either profiled, stopped, or treated with such extreme caution and force, but that does not mean he is entirely without blame. However I need to stress that in no way did he deserve to get shot, or (in my opinion) did the situation warrant a gun even being present or raised.
I get this.
onadesertedisland
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If we all just sit down and do as they tell us, they won't hurt us. Until they do.
Triggerhappytel
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Holy shit, that video is awful. Glad he's getting charged with murder, because that's clearly what happened here. They had a conversation, a minor tussle and the officer's immediate reaction is to pull his gun and shoot the guy in the fucking head.
Ninja Scooter
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He made a mistake. I don't think anybody would argue that. But the punishment for making that mistake should not be death. This is why people are up in arms about it.
Full, unedited body cam video.
WARNING: Extremely graphic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2rSNytAxQ
WARNING: Extremely graphic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2rSNytAxQ
TheSpoiler
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It's really easy to say that when you aren't black.
"Look man, I sit in a place of privilege, but if I were you, just take the gunshot to the face"
aspiegamer
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He's under no obligation to exit the vehicle. It needs to be stated that you're being detained and the reason why you're being detained given. Hell, the cop tries to open the door first. You can't do that. No.
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