Ingueferroque
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I have also said that in previous posts.
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Cincinnati braces for footage release in campus cop killing (Up: Murder charge)
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I have also said that in previous posts.
"Accomplice to..." and "conspiracy" charges as well as filing a false report.
I don't know what the punishments for those are, though.
TheSpoiler
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Paid vacation.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Yo. You're a bit shit m8. Need a bit of perspective jammed down that gullet.
Depends, if you're a poor minority Conspiracy can carry up to 15 years in prison.
I think "accessory after the fact" maybe but not conspiracy.
Around 7:20ish
"He was about to take off so I reached in...uhh... "
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"I put one round in him, he took off [no shit], I got caught in the car"
Shortly afterwards he tries to say "I almost go ran over by him" to another cop...who immediately puts his hand up to him and says okay, hold on (aka stafoo).
Tinfoilhatsron
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foodtaster
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Well, from what I can tell:
1. Cop is attempting to open door
2. Driver either turns on or turns the car off
3. Cop tells the Driver to stop
4. - 5. Cop shoots the Driver, causing the Driver to immediately speed off.
Two scenarios:
1. If the car was originally on, then the Driver was actually trying to park and give him the guys
2. If the car was originally off, then the Driver was turning it on
I won't bother to speculate which it is, but either way the Driver hasn't actually fleed nor attempted to flee. The two scenario thing is only relevant beause in 0:18 of that same video he turns the car on or off.
old manatee
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Too soon?
wanderingprostheyltite
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Maybe it's cause it's being reported more but does it seem like charges are being filed quicker against officers since Ferguson? Could be what I want to be seeing, self corroboration and all that, but it seems like there's been a few cases recently where it hasn't just been the typical administrative leave bs and then a drawn out investigation that leads nowhere with little to no punishment on the officer(s) in question.
If you are the parent of a black child, it's better to tell them the truth than to tell them to comply if they're ever pulled over by a cop.
Tell them that because they're black, they're disposable. Tell them they'll probably be killed if they don't comply and be subservient. Tell them they'll probably be killed if they do. Tell them the color of the skin curses them into being seen as animals by those who benefit from the current institutionalized system of racism, or 'others', or 'the bad people who live in the ghettos'. Tell them that the law will not take their side over a white person unless the law and its institutions stand to lose something in the case. Justice is a privilege given to some over others, and it will most likely be aiming a gun at the black child than protecting them.
Tell them that because they're black, they're disposable. Tell them they'll probably be killed if they don't comply and be subservient. Tell them they'll probably be killed if they do. Tell them the color of the skin curses them into being seen as animals by those who benefit from the current institutionalized system of racism, or 'others', or 'the bad people who live in the ghettos'. Tell them that the law will not take their side over a white person unless the law and its institutions stand to lose something in the case. Justice is a privilege given to some over others, and it will most likely be aiming a gun at the black child than protecting them.
Coolade
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And after being shot in the head dead, what if the car rolling forward out of control ran over kids on the sidewalk, you'd be ok with that im sure. Ok buddy. Ok
DrForester
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I'd say that him starting the car, it is reasonable to assume he is going to flee.
But the drawing the gun thing just seems to be at the core of these problems. Cops using the gun like a normal tool, rather than as a last resort. This guy was probably about to flee. He wasn't some armed criminal with a violent history, he wasn't drunk. There was no reason for this to escalate to that.
What pursuit was needed?
The best thing the officer could have done is let him go, and report the info he got to dispatch. They have the plates, they know where he lives.
And hell, lets assume for a second that the car was stolen. The cop has that body camera. In addition to being a great tool for recording police interactions, it just gave you a fantastic shot of the guys face to give to the media.
That cop needs to serve time for extremely poor judgement using deadly force. That was murder.
But on the other side I have no idea why the driver didn't comply, especially in the current climate we're in...
It's really a bad idea to:
A) Not have your ID on you/refuse to show ID which then makes the cop think you're a criminal.
B) Refuse to obey the cop's commands of taking off your seat belt and exiting the vehicle
C) Hold the door closed (resisting the cop)
D) Saying you "didn't do anything" when driving without an ID is actually doing something illegal.
E) Starting your car (which is a pretty indication you're going to flee) when the cop wants you out of the car and is actively fighting with you to open your door while the cop believes you not having an ID = criminal.
Again this doesn't excuse the cop's behavior. What he did was very wrong, and I'm sure he'll be convicted of murder, but the driver should have used better judgement knowing there's trigger happy cops targeting young black men out there right now.
And yes... sure can the cop shoot him in the back while hes' laying on the ground handcuffed? Yes it's happened before. Does your risk of death decrease/injury if you comply? Also yes.
But on the other side I have no idea why the driver didn't comply, especially in the current climate we're in...
It's really a bad idea to:
A) Not have your ID on you/refuse to show ID which then makes the cop think you're a criminal.
B) Refuse to obey the cop's commands of taking off your seat belt and exiting the vehicle
C) Hold the door closed (resisting the cop)
D) Saying you "didn't do anything" when driving without an ID is actually doing something illegal.
E) Starting your car (which is a pretty indication you're going to flee) when the cop wants you out of the car and is actively fighting with you to open your door while the cop believes you not having an ID = criminal.
Again this doesn't excuse the cop's behavior. What he did was very wrong, and I'm sure he'll be convicted of murder, but the driver should have used better judgement knowing there's trigger happy cops targeting young black men out there right now.
And yes... sure can the cop shoot him in the back while hes' laying on the ground handcuffed? Yes it's happened before. Does your risk of death decrease/injury if you comply? Also yes.
wow, watched the 30 min video footage.. Guy keeps trying to justifying what he did, blaming the guy repeatedly. Guy knows he fucked up. Chilling. Glad we put cameras on these fucking scum bags. Enjoy the rest of your life in jail. He's young too.. maybe think twice before you fucking shoot someone in the face for no reason you piece of shit
captainnapalm
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I apologise if it came across the wrong way. Seriously.
old manatee
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If you give them a taser they will use it on a 6 year old girl in a classroom, an innocent man sleeping in his own home, an epileptic having a seizure, a diabetic with low blood sugar, or just hold onto the button until an elderly man has a heart attack and dies. Or reach for the taser, grab the gun by mistake, and shoot a handcuffed kid in the spine.
If you are white
Given the first point, why would you assume the second point is true?
I'm not playing your assumption game. All I know is that starting the car isn't fleeing.
Tell that to Oscar Grant's, Freddie Gray's, and Eric Garner's families.
Record it, please. If you survive, be sure to link to it.
we already know this trick, news:
the flag is such a nice touch.
@NBCNews
BREAKING: University of Cincinnati cop indicted for murder in death of unarmed motorist http://nbcnews.to/1Is5wm7
@RigelRobinson
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the flag is such a nice touch.
TAJ
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Without body camera footage we'll never know. They were still the NYPD.
NickFire
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I want to believe the cops who kept asking if he was ok / should go to hospital were suspect of his story and believed a physical exam might shed light on how much his life was at risk, if at all, before he chose to use deadly force.
I also cannot help but wonder if those questions would have been suggestions to say x, y or z if the body camera wasn't on.
Crimson_Gold
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It hurts because it's true
Statistically your chances are lower if you comply. So it can be assumed.
You ever heard of flight-or-fight responses?
Honestly. We can only hope he gets life in jail. I'm not sure what sort of "protections" he'll have as a university cop, but I'm sure his defense will try to spin a lot of things.
The bright spot. This video was so damning no one can justify what he did. Current and former officers can't even defend it. He fucked up.
Statistically?
You expect me to believe any statistics the cops give me? Yeah, you're clueless.
TheSpoiler
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Seems like you didn't mean it in that way. We are good.
Can I see the receipts?
Attaching "statistically" to your assumption doesn't make it a study. How can you possibly have evidence as to whether compliance is safer when part of the entire point of the problem is that the police regularly conceal evidence of their crimes? For all we know, racist cops prefer it if you go quietly so that there are fewer witnesses.
This has nothing to do with police given statistics. We're talking about what we see in the media.
The amount of police shootings where a suspect is handcuffed and lying down and then shot vs the amount of suspects not complying and shot is less.
The elephant in the room here is that victims could do more by complying as opposed to cops actually doing their job properly without going on a power trip.
Tim's stream of march in Cincinnati
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlA...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlA...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Links please?
Hale-XF11
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He should be charged with obstruction of justice at the very least.
blankempathy
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too soon? . What bad police do does not take away from the good ones.
Do you think there just might be a difference between the set of all police shootings and the set of all police shootings we see in the media?
DrForester
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I'm not saying that it in any way gave the cop just cause to use his gun. Read the second part of my post.
I would not fault any officer from assuming that someone was about to flee if, in the middle of talking to the driver, the driver started up the engine. What other reason would there be for someone to start the engine?
And again, this is not in any way saying the officer was justified to shoot this man. But I do think it's naive to think he wasn't going to flee in his car. Did he deserve to die for that? Absolutely not. The officer had everything he needed to identify the driver and apprehend him safely at a later time.
old manatee
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At wot wot?
Sorry this argument goes both ways. We can only discuss what we know. If you say there are more people who complied but were killed but dirty cops covered it up, I can say the opposite and we can both be true because we have no idea.
That whole no obligation bullshit needs to stop being passed around. You're fucking wrong. If a cop tells you to exit your vehicle it's a lawful order. Just do it. Don't give a cop a reason to escalate the situation.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Wow, literally shot in the face then his body pushes on the pedal. In like 2 seconds. Fuck. Hope he goes to jail on a murder charged. Why are campus cops armed?
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