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[emrober5]

the cop shot the guy causing the car to move, you fucking idiot.

He started the car, and put it in drive. That's when the cop reached in and yelled "stop" before shooting.

If he hadn't already started to take off, he sure as shit was going to.

But calling me a fucking idiot. Good one.

 

[levious]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

Dead men don't flee. Did you even watch the vid? Pathetic.


Cops aren't even protecting this murderer. Why the fuck are you people doing so?

 

[ezrarh]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

Yes, the man wouldn't have been shot if he had never been born.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

If you watch the video, the driver drove off due to the blow to the head.

And no, this false equivalence shit can go out the window. The dude was polite the whole time and probably panicked from the cop opening the door with no consent.

 

[Primethius]

I'm not saying the cop's not at fault, but the victim could've totally avoided getting shot if he never bought a car in the first place.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

You know it isn't illegal to start your car right? We truly have no proof that he was attempting to flee. We do have proof that the officer overreacted and reached into the vehicle unprovoked. With this type of proof, we truly cannot say what the officer what have done in this situation. He might have killed the victim for reaching for his seat belt in a suspicious manner.

Yes, the man wouldn't have been shot if he had never been born.

I'm not saying the cop's not at fault, but the victim could've totally avoided getting shot if he never bought a car in the first place.

and there you have it...

 

[levious]

Yes, the man wouldn't have been shot if he had never been born.

Yeah why couldn't he have simply identified and lived his life as a white man?

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Dude... The driver didn't try to flee FFS.

Even if he did, the cop was never in danger.

 

[Starviper]

The onion reports:

http://www.theonion.com/article/horrifying-police-body-camera-footage-clearly-show-50966

CINCINNATI—Following a traffic stop earlier this month by a University of Cincinnati police officer that ended in the shooting death of an unarmed black motorist, authorities confirmed Thursday that the disturbing video recorded by the officer’s body camera clearly and graphically shows the current state of America. “Thanks to this footage, everyone can see the brutal and unconscionable condition of the United States in the year 2015 with their own eyes,” said Hamilton County prosecutor Joe Deters, who noted that the violent nature of circumstances in America may make the footage disturbing for some to watch. “It’s stomach-turning to go frame by frame through this video and see the grotesque realities of our country unfold in such visceral detail. But it’s vitally important to have a visual record that tells the truth about this nation rather than be forced to trust the accounts of those who might have something to cover up. Without this video, we would be left to dispute about what really happens in America.” Deters added that, after watching the footage, it was hard to argue that the country was not to blame for the violence that was captured on film.

 

[ReAxion]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

If the cop is violating proper procedure at every level, there is nothing the victim can do correctly to remedy it. End of story.

 

[Veritigo_X]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

Anything else DuBose could've done to avoid getting killed? Wanna make sure we have everything covered.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

Just stop. He did not try to flee and he would have been justified in doing so, considering a cop was opening his car door with a gun drawn.

Your mind is clearly made up about this and you have nothing to say other than your incessant victim blaming. People like you will always jump through the necessary mental hurdles to avoid putting 100% of the blame on the officer.

Even if he did flee, murder is in no way justified. Just having the gun out is in no way justified.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Are we equating what a girl wears/out at a specific time of night to a person getting pulled over, not having a license, refusing to do what an officer tells them after being in the wrong, and then trying to drive off with a cop at the door?

Yes, because none of those actions invite violence/murder.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

He started the car, and put it in drive. That's when the cop reached in and yelled "stop" before shooting.

If he hadn't already started to take off, he sure as shit was going to.

But calling me a fucking idiot. Good one.

Did you miss the part where he raises his hands before being shot in the head?

 

[TheOMan]

The onion reports:

http://www.theonion.com/article/horrifying-police-body-camera-footage-clearly-show-50966

...the Onion reports real news now?

Am I in the A universe or the E universe???

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Did you miss the part where he raises his hands before being shot in the head?

The doesn't fit my narrative filter is strong with that poster

 

[riotous]

What bugs me about certain posts is people saying this could have been avoided if the victim had just done what the cop said. Victim blaming in situations like this is disingenuous at best.

I understand why it bugs people; I just think there's a better way to respond than the snarky posts or the outright name calling attacks.

Everyone agrees on the bottom line: the cop was wrong.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

They are not "campus police"

https://www.uc.edu/publicsafety/about/police.html



The UCPD patrols the areas around the University as well as the campus itself. Half a mile from campus sounds reasonable.

I don't think the "it wasn't his job" claims are true.. they are only backed by conjecture and the use of the word "campus police."

Guess I can't argue, though I find it strange that they aren't allowing the officers to go off campus anymore..which is it?

People in this thread are tearing each other apart when every single person in this thread agrees it was a murder. I don't get it; chill out and unite.

You're missing the fact that folks feel the need to blame the man with a hole in his head..if you don't see that, well..

 

[Mermandala]

Some people arguing that police are landmines we have to tip-toe around or they might accidentally go off yet failing to understand the problem people have with these explosive devices in uniforms killing us.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Yes, because none of those actions invite violence/murder.

 

[riotous]

Guess I can't argue, though I find it strange that they aren't allowing the officers to go off campus anymore..which is it?

You're missing the fact that folks feel the need to blame the man with a hole in his head..if you don't see that, well..

I'm not missing anything; you can respond to that without calling people fucking idiots or having a competition for who can have the snarkiest reply.

Every post that people are claiming "blames the guy" outright states it was a murder, the cops fault, etc.

If someone outright stated they think it was the guy's fault I think they'd deserve the snarky angry responses; but nobody has done that here.

 

[Opto]

Did you miss the part where he raises his hands before being shot in the head?

Yeah as soon as that gun comes out, Dubose's hands go up. And when they're at the peak, he's shot.

literally Hands Up, Don't Shoot

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I understand why it bugs people; I just think there's a better way to respond than the snarky posts or the outright name calling attacks.

Everyone agrees on the bottom line: the cop was wrong.

I can agree with you there but I think this subject matter can incite strong emotions especially from the black community on GAF, so it doesn't surprise me to see emotionally driven posts when black people are being murdered by police officers every day and we keep seeing person after person blaming the victims for their executions.

 

[Jeremy]

I've got my own opinions that I don't even want to discuss just because of how tense this thread is but I really want to know what people think about this.

Now that Tensing has pleaded not guilty and will see a trial, I'm 100% sure the jury will find him guilty of voluntary manslaughter. However, I'm curious what people think the jury will decide on the murder charge. Will they find him guilty? Even this thread alone proves how much of an impact cranking the car and attempting to drive off is having on people who almost seem to be condoning why Tensing made the decision to kill Dubose.

I'm mostly wondering from a legal perspective and the way these cases can play out with a good attorney, being an officer, code of silence, etc.

 

[TheOohChild]

If you watch the video, the driver drove off due to the blow to the head.

And no, this false equivalence shit can go out the window. The dude was polite the whole time and probably panicked from the cop opening the door with no consent.

I think it is more likely he panicked, because the cop was trying to take away his opportunity to flee by trying to get him out of the car, and he was desperate to not take another traffic infraction. Kind of the never ending cycle of not having money to pay off legal fees, but needing a car to make money to survive. I may be taking too many liberties on building a narrative, but I think he has just been in this situation enough that this time he was desperate enough to make a mistake, and a maniac with a badge ended up taking his life for it.

 

[Coins]

Your post is fucking dumb as shit. Watch the video and then read the article.

Fucking victim blamers

Edit:

The officer had no right to open his door or reach into his car.

The officer did have a right to do both when the victim did not follow a lawful order.

 

[Veritigo_X]

The officer did have a right to do both when the victim did not follow a lawful order.

Which order was that? DuBose was never asked to get out of the vehicle. The officer tried to open the door without even giving a request to get out first.

 

[Anton Sugar]

The officer did have a right to do both when the victim did not follow a lawful order.

Which order?

 

[Rembrandt]

He started the car, and put it in drive. That's when the cop reached in and yelled "stop" before shooting.

If he hadn't already started to take off, he sure as shit was going to.

But calling me a fucking idiot. Good one.

So he didn't drive away during a traffic stop like you originally posted, huh?

maybe pick your words better before you try to offset the blame to the victim.

I'm not missing anything; you can respond to that without calling people fucking idiots or having a competition for who can have the snarkiest reply.

Every post that people are claiming "blames the guy" outright states it was a murder, the cops fault, etc.

If someone outright stated they think it was the guy's fault I think they'd deserve the snarky angry responses; but nobody has done that here.

unfortunately, this all would have been avoided if he just gave the officer his license. Or you know, not drive away during a traffic stop.

Not defending the cop, but the victim certainly was in the wrong as well.

Although I'm sure this has been said, and fuckthepolice-gaf has crucified the previous posters

 

[Flo_Evans]

uh, its pretty clear he is attempting to flee.. c'mon.

The car was off and in park.

It looks like he saw the gun then panicked and started the car putting it in drive, cop tries to take keys and pops him.

IDK if I can really agree that he was shot for no reason and all the shit leading up to it is irrelevant.
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Did the cop overreact? sure, completely unnecessary to shoot the dude for trying to flee. The cop reacted extremely poorly to the victims actions but its not like he shot him out of thin air. It happened so fast I'm not even sure you can say its intentional, much like the guy starting the car. People tend to go on autopilot in high stress situations and do whatever they are used to doing... cops shoot/people flee

 

[Mammoth Jones]

The officer did have a right to do both when the victim did not follow a lawful order.

That's fine but when you pop dude in the head that was when the line was crossed.

And I mean as a campus cop should he have been stopping cars a mile away from school? I don't know, maybe that's normal. I just find it curious.

uh, its pretty clear he is attempting to flee.. c'mon.

The car was off and in park.

It looks like he saw the gun then panicked and started the car putting it in drive, cop tries to take keys and pops him.

IDK if I can really agree that he was shot for no reason and all the shit leading up to it is irrelevant.
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Did the cop overreact? sure, completely unnecessary to shoot the dude for trying to flee. The cop reacted extremely poorly to the victims actions but its not like he shot him out of thin air. It happened so fast I'm not even sure you can say its intentional, much like the guy starting the car. People tend to go on autopilot in high stress situations and do whatever they are used to doing... cops shoot/people flee

Either a shoot is justified or it isn't. Pick one.

 

[riotous]

I think it is more likely he panicked, because the cop was trying to take away his opportunity to flee by trying to get him out of the car, and he was desperate to not take another traffic infraction.

They've confirmed that he was lying and had a suspended license.

That's a criminal offense not just a traffic infraction; explains further why he MIGHT have been thinking about fleeing.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

The officer did have a right to do both when the victim did not follow a lawful order.

What lawful order?

lmfao you people are fucking trying today huh

now it was "pretty clear" that he was fleeing

hahahahahaha

 

[Crimson_Gold]

uh, its pretty clear he is attempting to flee.. c'mon.

The car was off and in park.

It looks like he saw the gun then panicked and started the car putting it in drive, cop tries to take keys and pops him.

IDK if I can really agree that he was shot for no reason and all the shit leading up to it is irrelevant.
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Did the cop overreact? sure, completely unnecessary to shoot the dude for trying to flee. The cop reacted extremely poorly to the victims actions but its not like he shot him out of thin air. It happened so fast I'm not even sure you can say its intentional, much like the guy starting the car. People tend to go on autopilot in high stress situations and do whatever they are used to doing... cops shoot/people flee

Why would you autopilot into shoot? Seriously. This should be your last option, not the first.

He was shot for no reason. The situation was handled poorly by the individual in power. That power makes him at fault. He did not do the things necessary to have this situation transpire differently. It was his behavior that escalated the situation. If you refuse to see that, that is your choice.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Did the cop overreact? sure, completely unnecessary to shoot the dude for trying to flee. The cop reacted extremely poorly to the victims actions but its not like he shot him out of thin air. It happened so fast I'm not even sure you can say its intentional, much like the guy starting the car. People tend to go on autopilot in high stress situations and do whatever they are used to doing... cops shoot/people flee

Where in the civilized world is it legal or allowable to fire at a fleeing suspect, who poses no immediate threat to anyone?

Nevermind how morally irresponsible it is.

 

[Rembrandt]

uh, its pretty clear he is attempting to flee.. c'mon.

The car was off and in park.

It looks like he saw the gun then panicked and started the car putting it in drive, cop tries to take keys and pops him.

IDK if I can really agree that he was shot for no reason and all the shit leading up to it is irrelevant.
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Did the cop overreact? sure, completely unnecessary to shoot the dude for trying to flee. The cop reacted extremely poorly to the victims actions but its not like he shot him out of thin air. It happened so fast I'm not even sure you can say its intentional, much like the guy starting the car. People tend to go on autopilot in high stress situations and do whatever they are used to doing... cops shoot/people flee

what a terrible justification. "well, you know cops get stressed so they kill people when the have no reason to. stress is a bitch."

 

[Ninja Scooter]

uh, its pretty clear he is attempting to flee.. c'mon.

The car was off and in park.

It looks like he saw the gun then panicked and started the car putting it in drive, cop tries to take keys and pops him.

IDK if I can really agree that he was shot for no reason and all the shit leading up to it is irrelevant.
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Did the cop overreact? sure, completely unnecessary to shoot the dude for trying to flee. The cop reacted extremely poorly to the victims actions but its not like he shot him out of thin air. It happened so fast I'm not even sure you can say its intentional, much like the guy starting the car. People tend to go on autopilot in high stress situations and do whatever they are used to doing... cops shoot/people flee

He was shot for no reason. Nothing he did warranted the officer firing his gun. If a cop can't handle that kind of "high stress" situation without shooting someone he should seek a new line of work

 

[Jpop]

Some people in this thread are disgustingly obtuse.

 

[Anton Sugar]

what a terrible justification. "well, you know cops get stressed so they kill people when the have no reason to. stress is a bitch."

"Hey, man, I get it! I totally do. Sometimes, cops just get stressed, pull their guns, and murder civilians. Completely understandable. Stress is a killer!"

 

[Flo_Evans]

That's fine but when you pop dude in the head that was when the line was crossed.

And I mean as a campus cop should he have been stopping cars a mile away from school? I don't know, maybe that's normal. I just find it curious.



Either a shoot is justified or it isn't. Pick one.

Its not. He shot him for a bad reason but its still a reason... not an excuse.

I think this is clearly outside police use of force protocols, but even saying that police use of force protocols are in bad need of adjustment.

Why would you autopilot into shoot? Seriously. This should be your last option, not the first.
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Because that is what police are trained to do? Apprehend the suspect at all costs.

 

[riotous]

So he didn't drive away during a traffic stop like you originally posted, huh?

maybe pick your words better before you try to offset the blame to the victim.

In their first post:

Did he deserve to die? No.

Nobody is claiming he deserved what happened in this thread.

Some people are certainly ignoring or missed that no direct order was given or disobeyed; but when you point that out along with anger and sarcasm it tends to put people on the defensive.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

In their first post:



Nobody is claiming he deserved what happened in this thread.

Not that he deserved it but that it was his fault. That's what I'm taking from these posts.

 

[Opto]

Maybe Dubose was going through a process to flee. But then his hands went up when he saw the gun. Wasn't fleeing anymore and he got shot for putting his hands up.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Some people in this thread are disgustingly obtuse.

It really highlights an individual's inability to empathize. I think some people in this world really are mentally incapable of putting themselves in another's shoes, so some perspectives are just never even available to them.

That's the only way I can understand it. Like, if this happened to their father/son/husband (or anyone, really), would they try to discuss it with their own grieving family by opening with, "It totally sucks that our dad/son is dead for all eternity, but you know, he REALLY shouldn't have tried to flee a traffic stop."

 

[LiK]

Some people in this thread are disgustingly obtuse.

And acting like the cop's defense attorney.

 

[Karkador]

What bugs me is how people don't understand that the cop can be a piece of shit that failed to do his job and was likely on a power trip, AND the situation likely wouldn't have come about to begin with if the driver didn't try to flee the scene in a car. One kind of doesn't exclude the other, that's kind of all I'm saying. The "rape" comparison is silly.

It probably doesn't make much of a difference what Dubose did. We've seen again and again that when this caliber of police officer meets the 'wrong person', the officer killing the person is highly likely.

There are cops - not all cops, but some - who are indoctrinated into the force with the mentality that it's them vs a pack of wild, deadly animals. I've known people in the police force (even dispatch) who let this mentality color their entire opinion of communities and politics. It's terrible.

 

[Jpop]

In their first post:



Nobody is claiming he deserved what happened in this thread.

Yes but that same poster is claiming that it was his fault that he was murdered. Keep on doing whatever it is you are trying to do though.

"His fault that he was murdered"

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Kills someone, subconsciously tells himself and others he was trying to flee/run him over/whatever, has people lie for him to get out of trouble, evidence shows he was lying, cops aren't defending him because of how severe the footage is.

But people talking about stress cops get and how the dude was trying to flee and nonexistent lawful orders.

el oh fucking el

 

[onadesertedisland]

How can the good guys be bad? They just can't be, it does not fit my world view. You know, there must be a reason the good guys did wrong. In fact, if you examine things, that guy did something wrong. See? I knew the good guys did the right thing.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Because that is what police are trained to do? Apprehend the suspect at all costs.

Please look up "apprehend" in the dictionary.