Lies? Misinformation? What are you on about? Do you disagree that Pakistan wasn't made for Muslims? If so, why split India in the first place?
And that's a nice speech. Jinnah was a nice guy who would be turning in his grave right now. The blasphemy laws go against this very speech and yet i don't see you or several other Pakistanis here asking to get rid of those laws that punish minorities and essentially takes away everyone's freedom of speech.
Instead we are stuck discussing obvious questions like who Pakistan was built for in the first place and laughable arguments about whether or not Pakistan once was or currently is a secular country... In a thread where they just brutally murdered a man for insulting Islam. Bastion of secular civilization people.
Pakistan's roots were NOT... I repeat... NOT made on the principle of Islamic dominance. While at the same time, it was made to be able to avoid the persecution from Hindus in India as a majority theology and a daunting populous that made the Muslim community look like dwarfs. To which Indian Muslims are finally starting to go through as Hindu radicalism rises under Modi. It's too bad Pakistan has now become the exact embodiment of what it was trying to avoid. All this because the Quaid also passed away 2 years after the formation of Pakistan hence, the constitution of the country being hijacked from the get go.
If you want to see Pakistan's idea of secularism, it starts with the name itself, then the flag, it's provinces and the language we speak. Quite frankly, your argument at this point is embarrassing.
I mean damn, are you going to refute Jinnah's speech now? Guess you were right there as Jinnah's advisor, right. Please stop. You're reaching for straws.
Are you daft? The fact that I as a Pakistani am providing you facts and you choosing to refute them is borderline silly. I don't have to an apologist to you for Isis as wannabe Muslims just as how blasphemy law is something I don't even believe should exist. It was a political stance taken by the PPP during Bhutto's PM status and Zia Ul Haq's dictatorship. Pakistanis here have nothing to prove to you. You can build all the insidious narratives you want in your head at this point.
Yea, the point is to give you some historical context. Most of the people of Pakistan are just as angry because of this, and then there are others who completely believe it was done in justice of the faith which is highly anti-Islamic (since you don't like to catch up on hints of what side a person like I would be on). If you think any Pakistani here ON NEOGAF has to denounce something like a "murder" of a person should skew your biased point of view against us in the first place is quite frankly hilarious.
Was that really what the discussion was about? Why don't you go back and reread the thread. No one claimed this. But you did a good job putting words into people's mouths and not actually addressing points.
I just wish he/she would understand that arguing with extremists that kill on the name of blasphemy even without proof are nutjobs. You won't and can't come out alive. All it takes is one twisted imam's or cleric's fatwa and your life is over. It doesn't matter if you're the richest or the most powerful man in the world, you're dead. And this is the same fear all Muslims who are moderate go through. We have to deal with people and their constant criticism of denouncing the extremists in the west when the reality is they don't understand that on both fronts either side is crushing us to death.
I remember a few years back when the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia of all places, was saying how fucked up Pakistan was for some of things happening there. This was around the time they did that whole national prophet day, and people were threatening violence and death at anyone who dared to keep their shops open that day.
The wahabbi's of Al Saud shouldn't be talking bullshit because they're the main problem in the region. This extreme form of Islam came straight from their homeland and has migrated over to Pakistan, that's some powerful indoctrination happening since the 1970's. Who the hell do you think funded all the Madrasa's in Pakistan? Also, you seem to be a bit naive into thinking that the Hazara's in Baluchistan are exclusively persecuted by Muslims when Indian RAW is completely active in Pakistan to destabilize it and cause an overwhelming separatist sentiments within the local tribes.
