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CNN: Green Party files for Wisconsin recount, audit
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Theonik
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They didn't do a full state recount, Gore only requested a recount in Democrat leaning districts the 537 vote gap came from that. He was denied a full state recount and then the Supreme court forced Florida to certify the result. It took more than a month to call that election.
Look, I'm not saying Florida should have gone to Gore, just that the recount itself might be worthwhile.
sir_kevith
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People are acting like $5 million could save the world lol. Trump probably paid for it as a way to get out of this.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Have you missed the past year of Russia hacking the US left and right?
CIA/NSA aren't involved w/ local counties.
Theonik
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And even then, expecting security agencies to secure elections is incredibly dangerous, not least because of how political and partisan the internals of these organisations can be.
This should be required viewing on the matter tbh.
orthodoxy1095
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That video kind of highlights why I've never understood the people calling for the USA to institute e-voting. At the very least, I'm suspect of our ability to properly secure an electronic system with the kind of safeguards you'd need.
Enosh
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they did a full statewide recount which triggered automatic since the difference was within 0.5%
then they started to dick around with hand recounts, only requesting recounts in places where gore was winning etc
Byakuya769
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What exactly was Donald's reason for not respecting the results again?
BoosterDuck
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She does respect the results of the election. It's just that nobody wants a President Trump so they're investigating the GOP's voter manipulation tactics to influence public perception.
problem brother?
If Wisconsin goes to Clinton, and I don't think it will, the argument could be made that there are problems in other states with full blown investigations and recounts being done. It has to start somewhere if it is to be done.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
If no one wanted a President Trump he would have lost.
And when this returns nothing that will be confirmed again.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
BoosterDuck
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right just like how if nobody wanted Brexit then it would've lost
Darryl M R
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You must have felt clever when you decided make that post.
You shouldn't.
yanipheonu
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It's the lowest effort post I've seen in a while. Like, he has to be aware that Hillary didn't call for the recount, right. Right?
Because he assured everyone that the voting system was rigged until he won. He was reserving the right to say the election was stolen from him if he were to lose.
Freeza Under The Shower
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He lost the popular vote by a large degree. Most voting US citizen really don't want him as president.
You're mistaking an outlier result caused by a weird selection box for the entire population.
If the popular vote and the selection were the same, there would be zero argument for feelings of discontent. However, in NC, a GOP candidate has lost both and still tries to steal it. So in terms of "how fair is fair", that point is made moot by GOP shenanigans by default. If you want to talk about fair, how about voting on a Supreme Judge instead of holding democracy hostage for a year? Or how about saying you're going to accept the outcome of the election regardless of the result, much like your opponent does?
You're essentially using a version of "both sides are the same", which is more than just silly at this point. I think you didn't mean to, but that's how it can be seen.
edit: oh, apologies for the pile-on. I still had this tab open.
OuterLimits
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Well, the Trump team has responded.
Kellyanne Conway to Bloomberg news.
"What a pack of sore losers. After asking Trump and his team a million times on the campaign trail if he would accept the election results, it turns out Team Hillary and their new BFF Jill Stein can't accept reality. Rather than to adhere to the tradition of graciously conceding, they have opted to waste millions of dollars and dismiss the democratic process."
Kellyanne Conway to Bloomberg news.
"What a pack of sore losers. After asking Trump and his team a million times on the campaign trail if he would accept the election results, it turns out Team Hillary and their new BFF Jill Stein can't accept reality. Rather than to adhere to the tradition of graciously conceding, they have opted to waste millions of dollars and dismiss the democratic process."
Lmao "her new BFF Jill Stein." That sounds like a quote that would be taken out of Mean Girls or something.
darkistheway
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Sort of ironic this comment was made on a day when Americans trample each other for the chance to save $20 on a new 4K TV. People spend money on useless stuff all the time. Who gives a shit.
excelsiorlef
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More like someone who wasn't even a fan of either team decided to throw a flag two week after the game ended.
orthodoxy1095
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Which means absolutely nothing.
That seems like pointless whataboutism. I'm sure Stump isn't exactly a fan of consumerism manipulation on Black Friday either.
excelsiorlef
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The recount is happening because of Jill Stein. The Clinton camp is monitorimg it because even though they didn't ask for or want it, it's happening
Trump camp is also monitoring it BTW.
excelsiorlef
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Alpha Centauri
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yanipheonu
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There are plenty of arguments it should mean everything.
Some would argue it's the electoral college meddling with the will of people.
And it means America has a President that most people who voted didn't want, full stop. That isn't nothing by any means.
It'll work too. In a week, this'll find nothing and everyone will blame Clinton and the dems for undermining democracy.
To be fair, it's not a big stretch to believe Clinton is behind this.
Ether_Snake
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Maybe this is just a pre-emptive move by comrade Stein to find nothing where there was actually starting to be some scrutiny over something that may well have been irregular.
I'd like to think Clinton isn't stupid enough to do this. Then again...
But yes it's not a stretch, which means it's gonna get crazy airtime even though Clinton probably has squat to do with this. She conceded half a month ago.
This is why the aduit is important, even if it doesn't change one of the results. From one of the cybersecurity experts
https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-t...d-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.pv5qngde4
https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-t...d-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.pv5qngde4
TheLostBigBoss
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I forgot Clinton ran with the Green Party!
StickSoldier
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Well I saw this pop up on some websites while I was looking around. Seems like he isn't pleased.
Trump calls recount effort a scam
Here's also a link to a twitter from Ben Jacobs that shows a picture of the statement.
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/802605889555484676
Trump calls recount effort a scam
Here's also a link to a twitter from Ben Jacobs that shows a picture of the statement.
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/802605889555484676
orthodoxy1095
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You can argue that it should mean everything.
In the context of this election, it does mean nothing. They weren't playing for a popular vote, so the popular vote is irrelevant. We have no idea what the election would have looked like if we had them gunning for the popular vote. It's a silly and tired line of attack.
HAHAHA YES!! That's exactly what I was thinking of but I couldn't place it.
I'm going to throw my hat into the conspiracy theory ring: Hillary is most definitely behind this.
DragonSworne
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Where there is smoke.
I'm convinced Trump cheated now. Those last couple of weeks leading to Election Day was the height of his paranoia about election fraud. Given how much he projects it is pretty evident he was fixing the results. Now he wants no one to investigate it?
bob_arctor
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I didn't expect this.
If Hillary were controlling Jill Stein .... Jill Stein never would have run for president, since almost 100% of her votes were siphoned off of Hillary.
Try again.
freenudemacusers
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salary as president for four years of excruciating 24/7 work = $400K*4=$1.6M
half of the recount 'lawyer fees' & 'election integrity efforts' for a few days' of gofundme donations = $3M
not even including the income from a few months of campaigning.
i know which I would pick.
Jill Stein has no credibility to lose by requesting a recount and she has zero chance of winning the election with a recount. But if Hillary wins the recount maybe Jill Stein gets a sweet spot on Hillary's cabinet... And Hillary doesn't look like a fool if the recount comes up empty.
It's pretty much win-win for all parties involved.
I'd say at the worst it's 50/50 Hillary is pulling the strings.
You do know that Jill and Hillary are two different people, right?
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