CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election
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NoblesseOblige
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It's already been confirmed that WW3 begins with Guillermo del Toro trying to work on another video game.
Even if he wins actual primaries I don't see a path to the Presidency for any GOP candidate much less one so woefully prepared for the run as Trump.
Clearly.
Trump beat Clinton in the Iowa corn poll. He will get out the vote like you wouldn't believe.
That's pretty generous of him.
You don't get to throw a hissy fit if your side loses.
Grover Cleveland
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Popular opinion polls a year out are almost meaningless without seeing state-by-state breakdowns.
How competitive is Donald Trump (or any Republican) with Clinton or Sanders in the 2016 battleground states?
How competitive is Donald Trump (or any Republican) with Clinton or Sanders in the 2016 battleground states?
Replace Trump with Obama and you sound exactly like the people you are opposed to.
Resident_UA
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It's not about sides it's about sanity. I would rather have Jeb Bush win than Trump. If person who yell the loudest becomes a president the country is doomed.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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This shit is funny as fuck..
Until he actually does become president.. Pls no.
MightyKAC
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The system we have in place, in general, means that if Trump were to become president the worst he'd be able to do is reduce America's standing politically in the world with his bloviating rhetoric.
It's extremely, so very extremely unlikely to happen though.
Trump is like the least Republican of all the Republican's. The man was a Democrat until he felt like jumping over to the crazy train.
It's only worth 6 electoral votes.
It's pretty important to a Republican, who has to run the whole map to get enough EV, but not particularly important to a Democrat, who could use the resources in Ohio instead for 3x the EV.
Everyone hates the system but promptly forgets to do something about it after the election.
My take? I'm laughing.
For reference, Obama's supposedly gigantic, dramatic win in 2008 - when he had the wind at his back after two wars, Katrina, financial meltdown, etc - was by a mere 4%. Blowout wins don't happen very often in this environment, and 6% would be a pretty nice margin for this era; that's the kind of margin that drags the House along with it.
We have no idea who's going to be the GOP nominee, but at this point, after a summer of pretty unflattering news coverage, Hillary is still winning quite comfortably over all contenders. Beating Jeb by 9? Carly by 10? That's the public sending a message:
"she might be a corrupt ol' witch for all we know.. but she's better than one of those fucking kooks."
For reference, Obama's supposedly gigantic, dramatic win in 2008 - when he had the wind at his back after two wars, Katrina, financial meltdown, etc - was by a mere 4%. Blowout wins don't happen very often in this environment, and 6% would be a pretty nice margin for this era; that's the kind of margin that drags the House along with it.
We have no idea who's going to be the GOP nominee, but at this point, after a summer of pretty unflattering news coverage, Hillary is still winning quite comfortably over all contenders. Beating Jeb by 9? Carly by 10? That's the public sending a message:
"she might be a corrupt ol' witch for all we know.. but she's better than one of those fucking kooks."
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I heard GAF's father works at Nintendo
DragonSworne
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It'a about his potential. Hilary has the experience but little accomplishment.
j_k_redtail
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You know, you're right: I can't come up with a plausible combination of statewide victories that gives Trump 270 EVs. The game hasn't changed: Democrat has a higher floor l; a Republican basically has to run the table in order to win.
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Dude, comparing hypothetical race numbers to ones from a real election result is not smart, particularly when the hypothetical involves a candidate who has essentially campaigned for years. Everyone is very likely to gain on Hillary down the line, whether we're talking about Sanders, Trump, Rubio, whoever. That's what is noticeable here.
Nationwide polls, especially at this early stage, mean nothing. Who cares if 99.99% of Texas, Utah, and Oklahoma want Trump? How's he polling against Hillary in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Nevada, or any other swing state? The GOP has no realistic path to 270 against Hillary, not just Trump, any of them.
Same when Bush Jr. was (not-)elected. At first we all thought: "Haha, they will never vote for that parody of a cowboy. Let's have a bit of fun with that guy." And then they did.
Never underestimate the masses...
My main point is that I'm laughing. Particularly at the panic around here.
The race is going to tighten. We'll see polls at some points where the Democrat is even behind. People need to just relax.
Templar Wizard
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Mr Trump continuing to prove everyone wrong. Even the 'experts' here.
When he reveals just how close to the center he is after the GOP nom, he will be unstoppable.
Biden may be the only one to be able to stand up to him in the general.
When he reveals just how close to the center he is after the GOP nom, he will be unstoppable.
Biden may be the only one to be able to stand up to him in the general.
Canis lupus
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Seems some people still in
mode.
#TRUMP2016 Make America great again lol
mode.
#TRUMP2016 Make America great again lol
I been saying it in all the Trump threads... Those dismissing him are making a big mistake.
Some of you keep saying hes only appealing to a small part of his base of voters. I and others who are leaning towards Trump compared to Hillary are not his base. I have always voted democrat. Though I will vote whoever I think is best at the time. Right now I'm in the Trump and Sanders camps...
Trump is gaining votes and will continue to gain votes from a broad range of demographics. I looked at another one of the CNN polls yesterday and he actually had stronger support from women then I imagined. Trump is pretty alpha which aligns with his whole "act".
Also I'm wondering comparing life experience between Trump and Hillary, what they each have done, etc...you really think Trump doesnt have any skills, insights, etc. that will be useful in getting things done as a president and negotiator? For a candidate who's not a standard politician, hes decently equipped. There are other folks in the business world I'd rather see but they might not have the marketing/PR/showmanship someone like Trump has when it comes to selling him self/persona and his ideas/results.
EDIT: As others have said, Trump is not so hard right and much more in the center then the impression hes trying to give at the moment. On econ mics he might be more to the right but social, not so much which is how hes going to get a much broader appeal from both sides.
Some of you keep saying hes only appealing to a small part of his base of voters. I and others who are leaning towards Trump compared to Hillary are not his base. I have always voted democrat. Though I will vote whoever I think is best at the time. Right now I'm in the Trump and Sanders camps...
Trump is gaining votes and will continue to gain votes from a broad range of demographics. I looked at another one of the CNN polls yesterday and he actually had stronger support from women then I imagined. Trump is pretty alpha which aligns with his whole "act".
Also I'm wondering comparing life experience between Trump and Hillary, what they each have done, etc...you really think Trump doesnt have any skills, insights, etc. that will be useful in getting things done as a president and negotiator? For a candidate who's not a standard politician, hes decently equipped. There are other folks in the business world I'd rather see but they might not have the marketing/PR/showmanship someone like Trump has when it comes to selling him self/persona and his ideas/results.
EDIT: As others have said, Trump is not so hard right and much more in the center then the impression hes trying to give at the moment. On econ mics he might be more to the right but social, not so much which is how hes going to get a much broader appeal from both sides.
The campaign on the Clinton side hasn't really started yet. The Republicans have held a widely view debate so it is likely for him to charge ahead now. He is just way more visible It would be a lot more worrying once we actually get into the elections with both sides out there in public all the time.
AllIsOneIsNone
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You'll just be giving Trump what he wants, you fool.
Yep.
The way the Electoral College works, picking up five million voters in Texas means nothing. Picking up 10,000 voters in Ohio means everything.
Random Painted HIghway
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That guy has to have the biggest ego right now. truly a reap what you sew moment for the establishment republicans.
arnoldd schwartzenneger became governor, I dont think people care that much
We can only hope
Of California, lets not get crazy.
I am sure this is an elaborate conspiracy by democrats troll voting to give the illusion of Trumps popularity in the hope of making him republican candidate, so he'll inevitably be crushed by the democrats thus easily securing four more years... Right?... RIGHT?
Oh wait, isn't this the same 'murica who elected Bush not once... but twice?! (Gulp). Hold me
Oh wait, isn't this the same 'murica who elected Bush not once... but twice?! (Gulp). Hold me
old manatee
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I'm on board for Trump and Sanders. Fucking dream team if they ran together.
Those dismissing the polls are looking at them from a single dimension. What the polls are showing and the over all media and social spheres is Trumps marketing/PR is indeed grabbing and penetrating more of the public mind share. Thats a key goal right now. Its a big step in getting the mass of people who will vote for someone without many specific reasons or details to vote for you. There a very large group and they helped Obama. This time they will help the Trump.
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