CNN Poll: Trump Surging in Iowa

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speculawyer said:
Well yesterday he gave a speech going hard on Iraq. A third Bush v. Iraq war would certainly be popular right? I mean Hollywood does sequels all the time for a reason, right? This will be just like Godfather 3 or Alien 3.
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Did he really!?
This shit is hilarious.
 
speculawyer said:
Well yesterday he gave a speech going hard on Iraq. A third Bush v. Iraq war would certainly be popular right? I mean Hollywood does sequels all the time for a reason, right? This will be just like Godfather 3 or Alien 3.
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As an Australian.

Please don't vote for Bush.

Stop creating a shitshow and dragging the rest of the world into it.
 
EatinOlives said:
I do wonder if people saying "he's the least insane, he says what he thinks" in this thread would be saying the same thing if he had make similarly disparaging remarks about black people instead of Mexicans.
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Rubio and Walker think that rape victims should never be allowed to get abortions.

Jeb did this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/jeb...let_letter_law_was_even_worse_than_it_sounds/

Ben Carson thinks prison rape turns people gay and therefore being gay is a choice.

Trump is a horrible person, but you can probably argue that he's the least bad person in this race.
 
If Carson remains at the rising levels he is reaching, I wonder what the chances are of his supporters going to Trump once he drops out. They both seem to be aiming at that anti-establishment segment of voters.
 
Couple notes...

Those saying Hillary is a shoe in or comparing her to Obama, personally I don't see or feel that. When Obama, I knew and felt I was voting for him. With Hillary its not the same. I believed Obama was young and untainted enough to be different and create change. Hillary is the opposite. She is a old politician through and through in vibe and approach

Now as for Trump ( I'm looking at Trump and Sander with my vote) I'm amazed at how many people genius think hes stupid or some kind of idiot, etc. The guy has done plenty in his life to prove that while not a genius per se hes not stupid.

As for the Trump platform and stance on issues, you guys really thinking he doesnt have crazy detailed and strategic plans and ideas being drawn up if not already waiting for him in all key areas he'll have to talk about?

Come on man, the dude knows business and as sad as it to say the elections, campaigning, etc is a fucking business racket. You have to sell yourself and your offer to the American public. Anyone who has studied marketing, PR, copywriting, sales, business strategy, etc. can probably see what it appears Trump is doing.

From the looks of things Trump is running a staggered PR/Marketing campaign in phases to maximize his reach by working certain group of voters at different points in the campaign timeline. Trump is building out his USP (unique selling proposition) for his current TARGET audience. My guess is he'll make small iterative shifts in the focus of his approach in the who, what and how areas.

Everyone is saying how early it is, you dont think he knows that? And thats my exact point, hes going to tailor with time how, who and what he speaks on as the data shows necessary (hes a numbers guy obviously).

I've said it before I'll say it again, it's looking like Trump is going to be a potentially real black swan which is why what the pundits, etc are predicating about him is not happening. Interestingly enough I'd guess his team is/has brainstormed scenario plans for what to do if/when things are not working in his favor.

TLDR: Given Trump's experience, background , connections and financial capability and history do you really think hes "stupid"?
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Rubio and Walker think that rape victims should never be allowed to get abortions.

Jeb did this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/jeb...let_letter_law_was_even_worse_than_it_sounds/

Ben Carson thinks prison rape turns people gay and therefore being gay is a choice.

Trump is a horrible person, but you can probably argue that he's the least bad person in this race.
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Oh Jesus

Man, if Trump attacked Jeb on this it would be like a car hitting a wall at a 100MPH. What was Jeb thinking? Things like this are why I am more and more convinced that we're better off with Trump than an establishment Republican.
 
Trump v Hilary

Trump plays his secret agent Trump card, "Clinton convinced me to sabatoge the Republicans"

Hilary gets disqualified for trying to game the system

President Trump wins by default
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Rubio and Walker think that rape victims should never be allowed to get abortions.

Jeb did this:

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/jeb...let_letter_law_was_even_worse_than_it_sounds/

Ben Carson thinks prison rape turns people gay and therefore being gay is a choice.

Trump is a horrible person, but you can probably argue that he's the least bad person in this race.
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Well I wasn't really trying to argue that people think Trump isn't a horrible person. But there's a whole lot of "everyone else in the GOP says the same thing except for dog whistling. Him not sugar coating it is somehow better because reasons!"

Calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers as a people is different than saying "being gay is a choice". Had any of them said "gays are rapists and drug dealers" you'd be getting close to the caliber of Trump's fuckery. Not that I want to enter into a struggle olympics, but there's quite a difference between making asinine statements like them not wanting abortions for women or troglodyte "scarlet letter" justice shit, and it's another thing entirely to call a people rapists.

That's a distinction I think people aren't making. As a Mexican, his shit antics are incredibly offensive and no, he's not "the least worse", he's just as bad as the rest of them, and no he doesn't get partial credit because "at least he's honest".
 
EatinOlives said:
Well I wasn't really trying to argue that people think Trump isn't a horrible person. But there's a whole lot of "everyone else in the GOP says the same thing except for dog whistling. Him not sugar coating it is somehow better because reasons!"

Calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers as a people is different than saying "being gay is a choice". Had any of them said "gays are rapists and drug dealers" you'd be getting close to the caliber of Trump's fuckery. Not that I want to enter into a struggle olympics, but there's quite a difference between making asinine statements like them not wanting abortions for women or troglodyte "scarlet letter" justice shit, and it's another thing entirely to call a people rapists.

That's a distinction I think people aren't making. As a Mexican, his shit antics are incredibly offensive and no, he's not "the least worse", he's just as bad as the rest of them, and no he doesn't get partial credit because "at least he's honest".
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Scott Walker has said that banning gay scout leaders "protected children" which is pretty close to calling gay people child molesters, but yeah, no one is as open in their hatred as Trump is.
 
Oh man, getting Trump elected president would probably be the best kick in the boots Europe has ever gotten. Suddenly we'll have to get our shit together and start running the world, cause the US will be a disaster zone. Imagine alle the investors that will pull out of the US because of the uncertainty Trump would bring. Heck, the madman actually said that in order to reduce the deficit he'd just plain refuse to pay back China.
 
Aaron Strife said:
Bush, Walker, and Rubio (the three "serious" candidates) are polling behind Trump right now. Combined.

Even if one of those guys gets the nod it's going to be an ugly process. My personal bet is Trump goes to the convention with a plurality of delegate support, the RNC screws him over by nominating Bush instead, Trump runs as a third party and all hell breaks loose.
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I don't think this scenario is particularly like. Trump might take a few early primaries, but once a lot of the guys with no shot start dropping out he's not going to be able to win primaries with 20-25% of the vote, and a candidate with broader appeal will start winning.
 
EatinOlives said:
Well I wasn't really trying to argue that people think Trump isn't a horrible person. But there's a whole lot of "everyone else in the GOP says the same thing except for dog whistling. Him not sugar coating it is somehow better because reasons!"

Calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers as a people is different than saying "being gay is a choice". Had any of them said "gays are rapists and drug dealers" you'd be getting close to the caliber of Trump's fuckery. Not that I want to enter into a struggle olympics, but there's quite a difference between making asinine statements like them not wanting abortions for women or troglodyte "scarlet letter" justice shit, and it's another thing entirely to call a people rapists.

That's a distinction I think people aren't making. As a Mexican, his shit antics are incredibly offensive and no, he's not "the least worse", he's just as bad as the rest of them, and no he doesn't get partial credit because "at least he's honest".
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Regarding Trump's quote on Mexico, rapists, etc. If you look at the actual quote hes not saying all Mexicans, (legal or not) are rapists, etc. His stance (which I think is a bit crazy) and actual quote is that rapists and criminals who happen to be Mexican are being intentionally helped or being ignored by the Mexican Government in crossing the border. That's not the same as saying illegal Mexicans are criminals. Hes talking about criminals who happen to be illegal Mexicans. There is a big difference in intent and meaning. If you argue otherwise your being intellectually dishonest.

I only wrote this because I'm not a fan of anyone getting their words twisted by the press, etc.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Scott Walker has said that banning gay scout leaders "protected children" which is pretty close to calling gay people child molesters, but yeah, no one is as open in their hatred as Trump is.
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Yeah, I do remember that now actually.

Maybe I'm more sensitive about Trump's shit because he's insulting my own particular demographic. But if I were to make hypotheticals, let's say Walker is surging in the polls for no good reason and people are like "well at least he's not as bad as the others!" Gay people would be like "wait what? I certainly don't think he's the 'least worse'!"
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
I don't think this scenario is particularly like. Trump might take a few early primaries, but once a lot of the guys with no shot start dropping out he's not going to be able to win primaries with 20-25% of the vote, and a candidate with broader appeal will start winning.
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I think Trump could stand to gain a lot from early Cruz and Carson supporters who are doing quite well right now.

Of course, it's early yet. In any case there's no obvious frontrunner the way there's been in the past. The establishment clearly wants Bush who's getting a whopping 5% in this Iowa poll.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Scott Walker has said that banning gay scout leaders "protected children" which is pretty close to calling gay people child molesters, but yeah, no one is as open in their hatred as Donald "I'm more honest and my women are more beautiful" Trump is.
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No one is sane in this political circus, holy crap.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
I don't think this scenario is particularly like. Trump might take a few early primaries, but once a lot of the guys with no shot start dropping out he's not going to be able to win primaries with 20-25% of the vote, and a candidate with broader appeal will start winning.
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I think Trump has the broader appeal, though. He will get the nomination.

His opponents can't hang with him, it's obvious even this early.
 
Dave Inc. said:
Iowa sure is bad at picking candidates.
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The point of the Iowa Caucuses isn't to pick the nominee, it's to winnow the field.

Bam Bam Baklava said:
That's the thing though. Trump actually gets more support when they ask about the specific issues like economy and immigration.

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Hrm... that sounds an awful lot like a poll I just took a few days ago. Guessing Carly can thank me for part of her showing.
 
what people seem to be glossing over is trump has no legit campaign financing. when the primaries gear up he's not going to stand a chance with bush, rubio ect blasting him out of the airwaves in these states
 
soulassssns said:
No better than the rest of the circus running for president.
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This is the sad thing. Everyone else is just as bad if not worse.

120v said:
what people seem to be glossing over is trump has no legit campaign financing. when the primaries gear up he's not going to stand a chance with bush, rubio ect blasting him out of the airwaves in these states
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covered this one. Trump doesn't actually need a ton of his own campaign financing. Commercials don't really do anything for or against someone that well known. His appeal comes from staying in the news cycle by saying ridiculous things and there will be no shortage of that.

That aside, even if trump takes no grassroots funding (unlikely) and doesn't start a PAC (unlikely), his personal wealth is waaaaaaaaaaaay past everyone else and he could self fund. Romney did this to a large extent in 2008, and trump has a lot more money than Romney does.
 
120v said:
what people seem to be glossing over is trump has no legit campaign financing. when the primaries gear up he's not going to stand a chance with bush, rubio ect blasting him out of the airwaves in these states
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Lol anything he says will be repeated 5000x on the news.

Trump doesn't need campaign ads. He drowns everyone else out by default.
 
EatinOlives said:
Maybe I'm more sensitive about Donald "Stay and we keep the oil" Trump's shit because he's insulting my own particular demographic. But if I were to make hypotheticals, let's say Walker is surging in the polls for no good reason and people are like "well at least he's not as bad as the others!" Gay people would be like "wait what? I certainly don't think he's the 'least worse'!"
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It is getting hard to take his insults seriously though. Yeah, it was very shocking when he hit the scene with that very offensive speech. But he's now gone on to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo with blood coming out of her eyes and whatever, Frank Lutz a loser & clown, Rand Paul a complete mess, etc. He basically calls everyone an idiot, loser, dummy, etc. He's crazy egotistical nut that believes he is better than everyone else.
 
speculawyer said:
It is getting hard to take his insults seriously though. Yeah, it was very shocking when he hit the scene with that very offensive speech. But he's now gone on to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo with blood coming out of her eyes and whatever, Frank Lutz a loser & clown, Rand Paul a complete mess, etc. He basically calls everyone an idiot, loser, dummy, etc. He's crazy egotistical nut that believes he is better than everyone else.
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2 out of 3 of those things are true though
 
speculawyer said:
It is getting hard to take his insults seriously though. Yeah, it was very shocking when he hit the scene with that very offensive speech. But he's now gone on to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo with blood coming out of her eyes and whatever, Frank Lutz a loser & clown, Rand Paul a complete mess, etc. He basically calls everyone an idiot, loser, dummy, etc. He's crazy egotistical nut that believes he is better than everyone else.
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Yeah, actually for the longest time my reaction to his "colorful" comments were:

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It was so comically shitty that I took it as more comedy.

I think what actually turned me sour on the comment and subsequent digging his heels was that people started talking about how he was the "least shitty" out of all of them. I'm like "no, that's really not the case". People giving him "credit" for "not sugar coating things". My reaction to that is: would you say the same thing if his disparaging remarks were directed at a demographic you fall squarely into? You'd give him "credit" because he insulted you without dogwhistling? (not saying you're doing that, just giving an example).

Anyway, this is getting into too much of a tangent. I'll chalk it up to me overreacting. I doubt anyone here talking about him being the least horrible actually genuinely like the guy.
 
EatinOlives said:
Anyway, this is getting into too much of a tangent. I'll chalk it up to me overreacting. I doubt anyone here talking about him being the least horrible actually genuinely like the guy.
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I seriously doubt anyone who's saying that he's the least horrible is showing support, it's more like he literally is the least horrible of the frontrunners currently.
 
There is no way in hell another bush is going to get into the White House with the stigma that George W. Bush already put forward
 
Rand Paul is really going after Trump. He just launched a negative ad about how liberal Trump is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU6FTo5W7f8

I wonder if "exposing him" as a democrat will successfully rile up the Republicans. Personally my hope is that he wins the Republican nod and the next day comes out and says "I'm really an independent! Have all the abortions you want, it's not my business to rule your body! And yes, we do need to take care of everyone regarding healthcare!"
 
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