CoD Black Ops |OT| Always Bet On Black
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Red Blaster
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SquirrelNuckle said:
But you'd still have to go out and get those kills as the killstreaks don't stack anymore. In MW2 I can stay in one area and shell the hell out a point in Domination while constantly reloading with OMA while also spamming any saved up killstreaks. Not to mention, you're completely defenseless when controlling an RC car. As much as RC-XDs are a pain in the ass, OMAtubes are even worse.
Stallion Free
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Galil. It gets better with a silencer.subversus said:
NYR
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The remote control car is not a noob toob, I'm dissapointed that it is even being discussed in that manner.
Not only do you have to earn the killstreak, there is a chance for the opposing team to stop it by shooting it. The truth is, most people don't shoot or aim for it if it isn't going to hit them or drives by them.
Further, if someone is using the remote control car, I would prefer that killing one person over using stacked killstreaks to get a chopper and dominate the game.
Not only do you have to earn the killstreak, there is a chance for the opposing team to stop it by shooting it. The truth is, most people don't shoot or aim for it if it isn't going to hit them or drives by them.
Further, if someone is using the remote control car, I would prefer that killing one person over using stacked killstreaks to get a chopper and dominate the game.
DodgyGeezerFella
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Brolic Gaoler
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bobs99 ... said:
Eh, I disagree, the starting weapons are far from awful, I still prefer the Enfield most of the time, and the M14 is also a relatively early weapon as well.
NYR said:
Not to mention flak jacket prevents death from it more often than not.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Smokey said:
To be fair, the GAME is awesome. What sucks is the community abusing mechanics.
Diablohead
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Eh I have come to the conclusion that sniper rifles suck, not played with them much but when I have trouble taking out someone at range while they just iron sight me with their ak74u and kill me, something is wrong 
and i'm not talking about laying there in a shower of bullets, he did like two bursts from the rocket launching area to somewhere near that spawn on the A side, why does an smg beat a sniper so quickly?
Had some fun with balistic knifing people using the motion sensor though, might have not helped the team but I had fun for a few matches, still in this game if you want the kills you need a gun which is good I suppose.
I've lost a lot of interest in this games multi, it's not grabbed me like mw2 did. Lag and respawn problems are the biggest offenders.
and i'm not talking about laying there in a shower of bullets, he did like two bursts from the rocket launching area to somewhere near that spawn on the A side, why does an smg beat a sniper so quickly? Had some fun with balistic knifing people using the motion sensor though, might have not helped the team but I had fun for a few matches, still in this game if you want the kills you need a gun which is good I suppose.
I've lost a lot of interest in this games multi, it's not grabbed me like mw2 did. Lag and respawn problems are the biggest offenders.
Stripper13
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Stallion Free said:
This is what I love about this game - and more so because mw2 had some pretty distinct 'class leading' weapons. I find the galil amazing with a reflex scope. As soon as I put a supressor on it, it's a bucket of shit. In fact the only ar's I can use with a silencer is the m16 (my favourite gun) and the famas (I think the fire rate helps). That being said I think the galil is the best non suppressed gun in the game. Opinions and variety is what makes this game great - at least while everyone is experimenting a trying guns/perks/attachments.
Also does anyone find the famas nearly useless? It's great at short-mid range no doubt but it feels more like an smg with it's fire rate and I'm always out of ammo by my 3-4th kill
Stripper13 said:
If you have a FAMAS in a long range firefight, you're at a disadvantage. But I do agree you see a lot more variety in the weapons among players. I prefer the AUG as my go to assault rifle, I haven't unlocked the Commando or AK-47 yet and I looked forward to using them.
Chris Murphy
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Alienshogun said:
There should not be mechanics that can be abused that much.
Nizz
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This is one of the biggest issues for me right now. I'm liking the gameplay in Black Ops. For the most part, I'm dying from other people's guns instead of other stuff. But god damn the framerate can get rough sometimes on PS3. Jungle and Firing Range are two maps that to me are notorious as far as framerate..nimrod said:
But I've also been on the map Summit and if someone calls in air support (Napalm, Huey) and that air support smashes the roof of areas in that map the framerate seems to go to at least 15fps. No bullshit. So disappointing...
I gotta agree. It's like they took out Commando in name only but I swear people are still stabbing me from too far of a distance to me. Last night on WMD, an enemy was on the landing of these set of stairs. He wasn't at the top of the second set, he was at the landing between sets.aku:jiki said:
I was at the bottom of the first set of steps, there are probably three steps. Dude stabbed me from the landing and it somehow connected to me at the bottom of the stairs. Bullshit... Playing a wager match of one in the chamber, I happened to be the last kill and sure enough, watching the killcam he seemed too far away to have been able to connect. Even one of the other players said "yeah, that was too far to have been a kill."
I have my fingers crossed that Treyarch can do something about this and the bad performance on PS3. This is my first Treyarch COD title and I'm pretty disappointed in the performance. And it's obviously a step back because from what I've seen and heard, W@W was great as far as MP performance on PS3.
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
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Jack Scofield said:
lol you're complaining about the RC cars being cheap? MW2 has... One Man Army w/ Noob Tube, Light Weight / Commando / Marathon builds, and the cheapest fucking kill streaks that added to your next kill streak. You pretty much had to get like 5 kills in MW2 and then could hide in a corner and ride that shit to a nuke. MW2 was broken as all fuck. Black Ops is much better.
And btw, MW2 had all kinds of matchmaking issues when it launched. It also had offensive emblems (to some people). Black Ops just allows you to put dicks on everything, and I commend Treyarch for that.
Alienshogun said:
Mechanics that the developer put in there and had to just know that people are going to abuse?
As far as I'm concerned with this whole debate, both Treyarch and IW are bad with the MP stuff. In fact, the only thing that still boggles me is why people still buy up this stuff after they know it's going to be a tragedy online. Hell, I usually buy these, but after MW2 I got wise enough to gamefly CoDs anymore at least.
Actually that's not the only thing that boggles me, as I'm still not sure why these "highly anticipated-highly successful" games are released in the states that they're in. Seriously, for how much money these games make them for whatever reason, you'd think they'd put at least a fraction of the profits into their next title to address these things.
BUT, then again, how else will Bobby get people to "pay monthly" CoD fees soon? "For $14.99 get an overall better online experience to the game, think, less lag!".
VaLiancY said:
AK and Commando are somethin' serious. I was on a 16 game win streak yesterday in FFA using either of these. After one of my game winning kills a guy who had been in the same game with me for awhile (who was a 40 something) asked if the gun I was using was the AK. I say yep.
He buys it and next round he's just destroying everything and all I keep hearing through the mic is "holy shit, why didn't I use this earlier?!"
:lol
It's to the point now where the AK makes the game almost too easy IMO.
Smokey said:
You think those videos existed after 1 week?...Ofc black ops will have tons of these videos sooner or later. Although i think Treyarch will be more active in the patching than IW were. Feels like IW experienced quite the turmoil the months after the launch, i am sure they did not give a shit about patching more than the absolute essentials...
I would pay 12 usd a month for a COD Online that updated just like WoW. Not just small updates but bigger updates like new guns, removed guns etc. Just a more dynamic and fluent system than todays system of new completely revamped game each year where everything have been switched out and all stats been twisted but made with the same engine but every time with tons of glitches and shit
While the RC car isn't a real threat and is less helpful than the spy plane, it is annoying and easily spammed. I see so many of the damn things it feels weird not having one driving around.
Flak Jacket does make the car nearly worthless.
There may be variety, but there shouldn't be. Anyone not using the AUG, FAMAS, or the Stoner for a fully automatic weapon is picking the wrong weapon.
Flak Jacket does make the car nearly worthless.
The FAMAS is just as good any of the full auto assault rifle at range, if not better. Same shots to kill and light, easily controlled recoil.VaLiancY said:
There may be variety, but there shouldn't be. Anyone not using the AUG, FAMAS, or the Stoner for a fully automatic weapon is picking the wrong weapon.
I don't find the RC's to be that big a deal really. Most of the time I'm able to shoot them before they get to me. Spy plane is infinitely more useful than RC.
If you want to know the kill streak combo that is ridiculous (and what I use in FFA):
Spy Plane (2 kills)
Counter Spy Plane (3 kills)
Turret (5 kills)
combined with Hardline, Slight of Hand Pro, and Second Chance Pro
It's crazy how efficient and powerful that setup is. There are multiple times when I have just stacks of spy planes and counter spy planes rolling in since nobody likes to shoot shit down in FFA (except me apparently).
If you want to know the kill streak combo that is ridiculous (and what I use in FFA):
Spy Plane (2 kills)
Counter Spy Plane (3 kills)
Turret (5 kills)
combined with Hardline, Slight of Hand Pro, and Second Chance Pro
It's crazy how efficient and powerful that setup is. There are multiple times when I have just stacks of spy planes and counter spy planes rolling in since nobody likes to shoot shit down in FFA (except me apparently).
Alright. Stats time people.
How many times have you died from a sniper rifle?
Go to player card, then tab over to weapon stats, then deaths by.
Out of ~1300 deaths, less than 20 have been from sniper rifles.
Perhaps they were nerfed just a tad too much.
I suppose it does not help that the only suitable levels for sniping seem to be WMD, Havana and Jungle. [and Array] ;-)
How many times have you died from a sniper rifle?
Go to player card, then tab over to weapon stats, then deaths by.
Out of ~1300 deaths, less than 20 have been from sniper rifles.
Perhaps they were nerfed just a tad too much.
I suppose it does not help that the only suitable levels for sniping seem to be WMD, Havana and Jungle. [and Array] ;-)
TurboLibre
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The G11 is nuts. It's mid range scope is awful though.
On second thought, maybe I was using it wrong. Can you hold your breath with it? I remember trying but I could have been clicking the wrong stick.
I'd also like to add Nova Gas and Tactical insertion are pretty amazing for the objective based modes. I was almost a one man team with those things.
On second thought, maybe I was using it wrong. Can you hold your breath with it? I remember trying but I could have been clicking the wrong stick.
I'd also like to add Nova Gas and Tactical insertion are pretty amazing for the objective based modes. I was almost a one man team with those things.
I rarely use my RC-XD during my killstreak run, I'll either save it till I die, or just blow it up a few feet away from me. Since it doesn't add to my killsteak meter, I don't really care to use it. And since there are tons of spy planes up, I don't see much reason to pick that one either.
Use it without the scopes, it's much better and more accurate. I hated how much the mid-range scope danced around and since you can't focus it with holding breath, it was just pointless to use it.
Tkawsome said:
Use it without the scopes, it's much better and more accurate. I hated how much the mid-range scope danced around and since you can't focus it with holding breath, it was just pointless to use it.
Holy shit, i just watched the greatest domination game ever!
Its Wings Of Redemption and the title is actually "The Greatest Domination Game Ever!" Its 12 mins long but its worth it!
If competitive COD looked like this i would definitely watch it a la Star Craft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnPQi0Qrfw
Also RC Car Tunnels! wow:O really funny , like Micro Machines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxtFwkRUeh8
Basically in Nuke Town you can drive outside the fucking map , around it all and get to their spawn! This often applies to most maps! :O! +1 Treyarch
Its Wings Of Redemption and the title is actually "The Greatest Domination Game Ever!" Its 12 mins long but its worth it!
If competitive COD looked like this i would definitely watch it a la Star Craft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnPQi0Qrfw
Also RC Car Tunnels! wow:O really funny , like Micro Machines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxtFwkRUeh8
Basically in Nuke Town you can drive outside the fucking map , around it all and get to their spawn! This often applies to most maps! :O! +1 Treyarch
Dash Kappei
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SmokeMaxX said:You only need it for one account.Dash Kappei said:OP's lacking, or maybe I'm blind... I know about the retarded decision to ditch offline multi with bots and that you need to be online with Gold even to play vs bots, what I'm asking is if your guest is required to have GOLD too if you want to play Combat Training vs bots in 2 players split-screen mode, or is the console owner's GOLD sub sufficient for both?
Can't find a definitive answer and my game's still wrapped.
Do help, please
Cheers.
At least we have that.
But I've been playing the campaign tonight and... ugh. :-/
Game's not good at the moment ( third mission)... I thought this one was going to be the best campaign ever for a COD game, instead they completely fucked up the level design. Hopefully multiplayer will make up for it. I'm in the minority but I loved MW2 campaign... and muiltiplayer, if it wasn't so full of exploits to be nearly unplayable after the first month or so.
I always switch everything because I'm always completing challenges and always prestiging, but ideal kits?Anerythristic said:
Marathon/SP/Ninja UMP45 & SPAS or Marathon/SP/Ninja TAR/Striker in MW2
Ghost/SoH/Marathon AK74u/LAW or Ghost/SoH/Marathon Galil/Pythons in BO
Suppressors on everything (but the shotguns derp).
Congratulations on being Captain Awesome, bro. :lolAnerythristic said:
Oh come on, my post even clarified that I mean this: it is similar to the noobtube in that you unexpectedly explode, die and lose your killstreak suddenly and without warning. It is also similar in that it took next to no skill for the user and in how popular and frequent it is. I did not mean that it affects the way the enemy strategizes, navigates or engages in combat. I also meant that, to me, it really doesn't matter if I blow up from a little car or a grenade that detonates on impact. I die either way. Does GAF understand yet? :lolNYR and like 85 other people who can't read entire posts said:
Holy shit, discussing the game on GAF is as frustrating as playing it!
MarshMellow96
Member
That loadout sounds evil Smokey. Definitely going to try it!
I think I've died less than 10 times to a sniper.. Maybe got 1 or 2 kills with the PSG1 on objective games..
The G11 is unstoppable in hardcore matches. Seriously..
EDIT: 30 seconds is way too long for the RC. Personally I'd like it to be five kills also, given that it's basically a ground based predator.
I think what I get more annoyed about with that bloody thing is that ruins the team ethic (in before the lol you play with randoms malarky) when playing most games. You can't rely on someone elses UAV anymore because the stupid RC is on a 3 kill streak.
Hell, just bump it up to 4 and I'd be happy...
I think I've died less than 10 times to a sniper.. Maybe got 1 or 2 kills with the PSG1 on objective games..
The G11 is unstoppable in hardcore matches. Seriously..
EDIT: 30 seconds is way too long for the RC. Personally I'd like it to be five kills also, given that it's basically a ground based predator.
I think what I get more annoyed about with that bloody thing is that ruins the team ethic (in before the lol you play with randoms malarky) when playing most games. You can't rely on someone elses UAV anymore because the stupid RC is on a 3 kill streak.
Hell, just bump it up to 4 and I'd be happy...
MarshMellow96 said:
I guarantee you'll beast with that load out (Codenamed: Beast)
Once you get your first Spy Plane it's ova. Now you can see where they are and it's easy to get 1 more kill for the Counter - Spy plane (remember this is with Hardline on). So now not only can you see where they are but they can't see you because you have Counter-Spy plane up. Get 2 more kills for the turret.
Now not only can you see where they are, invisible on their radar, but you have a turret that you can set down in a specific spot where you know a lot of action is happening (because of your spy plane).
Rinse repeat. Yesterday I also had games where I had multiple turrets set up during the match just murdering people.
So here's a link for GAF... Black Ops quickscoping montage by M40A3 Predator. :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcyl9QteQ38&feature=sub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcyl9QteQ38&feature=sub
How about 4 more for the Blackbird? If you die and then launch tbe SR71, the damn thing lasts long enough to get you a new one, netting you some more counter time on the way. Sound pretty unstoppable for FFA. :lolSmokey said:
GhostRidah
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Yup out of all my games I have been killed two times by sniper rifles, nerf was to hard but not only that, I think that maps are way to small for snipers the way they want snipers to play currently.Najaf said:
Bumblebeetuna
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Alienshogun said:
I don't see any way for "mechanics" like akimbo secondaries that are stronger than primaries, heart beat sensors, One Man Army, stacking killstreaks, game ending killstreaks, Commando, etc etc to be abused. They are there for people to use and that's what they do. If IW didn't want you to camp your ass off and use your predator to unlock a harrier and use that harrier to unlock your AC130 then they wouldn't have stacked killstreaks. If they didn't want you to unleash a barrage of noob tubes they would have made OMA limited in use, especially after so much complaining. If they didn't want you to lunge up flights of stairs, around corners, or across rooftops with Commando then they wouldn't have programmed it that way.
The community is just playing the game IW designed. They simply designed a shitty, unbalanced game.
MarshMellow96
Member
Smokey said:
:lol Awesome.
I can just imagine the other guys shitting their pants because they don't know what's going on..
EDIT: On snipers: could they patch out that scope sway?
I think sniping is pretty fine right now, it's just the initial scope-in sway that's the problem--and that gets cut down with the variable zoom. Otherwise, life is good as a sniper. I get chopper gunners pretty easily so long as the map accommodates it--I'm not going to be sniping in something like Launch, Havana or Radiation, for example, while Jungle or Array are incredible sniping maps.
Enough is enough. Last night, I emailed Steam customer support and asked for a refund/store credit for Black Ops. I just got an email asking me to confirm that I want the game removed from my account and to regain store credit. I'm going to take it.
The performance of this game has been far less than acceptable, through no fault of my computer or connection. When I do get into matches, it's barely playable and being even remotely competitive has become impossible. I've never in my life purchased such a terribly optimized/tested piece of software at launch. Looks like I was a fool to get caught up in the hype. Sure, the game may be better balanced than Modern Warfare 2 was at launch but at least MW2 runs fine on my computer.
Maybe once the Christmas sale rolls around, I can purchase the original Modern Warfare for PC. Until then, I'll just play MW2 or something else.
If you guys are able to have a good experience with this game, more power to you and I hope you have fun. As for me, the game runs so poorly that I can't play for shit.
The performance of this game has been far less than acceptable, through no fault of my computer or connection. When I do get into matches, it's barely playable and being even remotely competitive has become impossible. I've never in my life purchased such a terribly optimized/tested piece of software at launch. Looks like I was a fool to get caught up in the hype. Sure, the game may be better balanced than Modern Warfare 2 was at launch but at least MW2 runs fine on my computer.
Maybe once the Christmas sale rolls around, I can purchase the original Modern Warfare for PC. Until then, I'll just play MW2 or something else.
If you guys are able to have a good experience with this game, more power to you and I hope you have fun. As for me, the game runs so poorly that I can't play for shit.
aku:jiki said:
I tried throwing the BlackBird in the loadout. I got it a few times, but I found what I listed earlier (Spy, CounterSpy, Turret + Hardline, Sleight of Hand Pro, + Second Chance Pro) to be way more effective. The spawns in here can be suspect and you never know when Treyarch will decide to spawn someone behind you for no reason. I won 16 FFA games in a row last night with this loadout (+ AK47 w/ silencer) before going to bed.
Some randoms played with me for a lot of those games to and even some Friend Requests to me. I had people in the room puzzled as to what tha fuck was going on. It was amazing:lol
grap3fruitman
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"Well, the game's been out for a week and a half now but don't worry, it doesn't for anyone else either."poppabk said:
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