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CoD Black Ops |OT| Always Bet On Black
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Intervention was the quick-scope weapon, and I blame montage XBL kiddies for proliferating that shit. Sleight of Hand Pro, Stopping Power, and liberal aim-assist was what made quick scoping so easy--not possible anymore in BLOPS--and quick scoping wasn't a problem at all in COD4 or WaW! It's bullshit what they did to snipers. My KDR is barely above a 2.0 now after finally getting used to sniping, but even now my kills double if I grab an AR or a LMG. Get rid of the initial sway upon scope-in. Right now it's just frustrating.
Not in the face.
I love grenades
Just a couple of goodies I threw together. The first one, as you can tell by the music, is a game winner.
I love grenades
Just a couple of goodies I threw together. The first one, as you can tell by the music, is a game winner.
It'd never come back for a combination of reasons...aesop said:
People who bitch about quick scoping need to realize... oh hell I'll spell out SOME of the reason's it won't come back.
1) Auto-aim is less in this game than in previous games
2) SoH Pro doesn't work on Snipers
3) No stopping power makes snipers weaker
4) Even if you hit, if they have last stand pro (likely), then not only do you die, but you don't get a kill.
I don't know why, but this Super Diving Montage cracked me up. :lol
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
aku:jiki said:
Again, when it is YOU who does not understand, you act like its the other person.
Nothing in my post has any implication of what you just said.
Let me break it down for you yet again.
AlienShogun said:
The first part implies that you should take a second and think, so I will allow time for that.
Ok, enough time has passed.
The second part is stating that you are a moron to believe that a person sitting in the door, behind cover, will not be at an advantage. If, as I stated, you walked into the room in ADS, sweeping the room for hostiles, the advantage you are so concerned with becomes moot. However, if you just charge in, he will be at an advantage over you, since you have yet to ADS.
What YOU implied is that since a guy is already in ADS and is behind cover is looking where you will be coming through it will be "unfair," since you still have yet to ADS and are thus subject to the SAME delay in which he has.
Now, if he WASN'T in ADS and you both scoped in at the same time, and he DIDN'T have slight of hand pro, YOU would be at an advantage.
See how that works? It's a uniform game play decision, his placement and tactical positioning (I.E camping) has no bearing on your complaint over the "delay" from which ADS transitions from hip fire to aimed fire. It's a balance decision, and effects everyone in a uniform manner, aside from those like YOU who are at an advantage with a quicker scope in.
Since you missed it on the last page:Dresden said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcyl9QteQ38
He also made a quickscope tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--VVYAyPAY
(They use variable scope and pre-zoom right when they spawn. This pre-zoom stays until they die.)
Had ACOG which made quickscoping even easier than Sleight of Hand Pro. Observe how ridiculously fast an ACOG scopes up:Dresden said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUkFiikkpGk
Do not go anywhere near CoD4 today if you hate quickscoping. It's all everybody does.
Yup, this one too:Dresden said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0-yYdw-ThQ
(Though I agree that not too many people bothered doing it. Most people ran around with an MP40.)
I really can't believe that you seriously don't understand the difference between "much bigger advantage" and "an advantage." I am honestly speechless.Alienshogun said:
If he is already ADS, and there is a delay before my bullets hit where I'm aiming if I ADS, then that is a much bigger advantage than he should have. Because it will mean that I'll die even if I aim better. If there was no delay when you ADS, he would have the proper amount of advantage over me given his position and strategy. I can't believe I had to spell this out, to someone who thinks he's an expert at the game no less.
grap3fruitman
Banned
My problem with snipers in BO isn't that they nerfed quick-scoping, it's that they punished actual players and made snipers completely useless. The swaying is so bad, the recoil is ridiculous and I'm lucky to get hit markers. More often than not I'll snipe someone and if I'm lucky I'll get a hit marker but more likely not and either way they see me on the radar and by the time I get to aim my scope again, because it's such a slow process now, they've already pointed at me and sniped me with their assault rifle, LMG or SMG. I've been sniped by SMGs but I'll be lucky to get a hit marker with an actual sniper. How is that even remotely fair?Dresden said:
Stoney Mason
Banned
I totally get why Treyarch made the decision they made. Quick Scoping could be very annoying in MW 2. I wasn't a quickscoper but the skill level required to do it was somewhat lower than in previous games. So as consquence the percentage of people learning that skill increased tremedously. So instead of it truly being this high end level skill, it became something a lot of normal people could do. That's where the problem came in. And then suddenly it became a badge of honor where if you didn't do it, you were considered garbage. And that attitude started to effect the game and the quality of play.
You don't know how many times I've seen people pass up the easy kill in MW 2 in Search and Destroy to try a fancy ass kill and then miss. And then get killed themselves. It just has a bad effect. So I get why they were anti-quickscoping as something that everybody shouldn't be doing. Because then it really does start to effect the quality of the experience. Everybody shouldn't be doing it.
True Quick Scoping should be more difficult. But what I call quickly scoping in and killing people shouldn't be effected. That's the balance you want to achieve. You want most of your population to actually be scoping in and trying to get a kill and if a high level of player wants to truly be able to quick scope, it should be pretty damn hard so that less skilled players get punished for doing it and decide it isn't for them.
The current fix for sniping in the game doesn't do this. It sort of handicaps snipers in general no matter what you do. And there are a lot more effective full automatic assault rifles and smgs in this game that are pretty accurate. So snipers are getting creamed left and right. You have to be able to kill quickly with a sniper rifle. COD is a very fast paced game. So snipers have to be able to scope and kill quickly to compete with other weapons.
The good thing of course is that Treyarch seems logical and open to feedback so I have confidence they will address this. They have made a lot of great balance tweaks from MW 2 to Black Ops. So many in fact that I find it impossible to go back to MW 2. But the sniping wasn't one of them.
You don't know how many times I've seen people pass up the easy kill in MW 2 in Search and Destroy to try a fancy ass kill and then miss. And then get killed themselves. It just has a bad effect. So I get why they were anti-quickscoping as something that everybody shouldn't be doing. Because then it really does start to effect the quality of the experience. Everybody shouldn't be doing it.
True Quick Scoping should be more difficult. But what I call quickly scoping in and killing people shouldn't be effected. That's the balance you want to achieve. You want most of your population to actually be scoping in and trying to get a kill and if a high level of player wants to truly be able to quick scope, it should be pretty damn hard so that less skilled players get punished for doing it and decide it isn't for them.
The current fix for sniping in the game doesn't do this. It sort of handicaps snipers in general no matter what you do. And there are a lot more effective full automatic assault rifles and smgs in this game that are pretty accurate. So snipers are getting creamed left and right. You have to be able to kill quickly with a sniper rifle. COD is a very fast paced game. So snipers have to be able to scope and kill quickly to compete with other weapons.
The good thing of course is that Treyarch seems logical and open to feedback so I have confidence they will address this. They have made a lot of great balance tweaks from MW 2 to Black Ops. So many in fact that I find it impossible to go back to MW 2. But the sniping wasn't one of them.
grap3fruitman
Banned
Another annoyance I have with this series is that I (me) can't make any clan tags. >=(
zero margin
Member
grap3fruitman said:
More than that, there are approximately four maps in BO where sniping might actually be viable to use. The other ten maps you're just hindering yourself.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
aku:jiki said:
I can't believe how big of a moron you are being. I figured it was limited to your appeal to authority fallacies, but it extends much deeper.
Nothing I said implies "no advantage," I'm pointing out how stupid your argument is, which is a trend in this thread. However, rationalize my argument so that you can seem right in your head champ, keep fighting the good fight, "Bro". :lol
aku:jiki said:
:lol :lol :lol I explained that in my post. :lol :lol :lol
The delay is uniform, it effects everyone equally. Again, like I said, people like YOU who use slight of hand pro actually have the advantage over everyone else. By your logic a guy who is coming around a corner already looking down his sights has "too much of an advantage" over you if you aren't already scoped in too. :lol :lol :lol
It's called being good at the game, my god you're dense.
What? You've got to be trolling me right now. :lol :lolAlienshogun said:
Nowhere did any of my posts state that I think you're implying that he should have "no advantage," my posts say that you're equating "much bigger advantage" with "an advantage" and I am replying that they're different things.
I also love how you accuse me of customizing your posts in my head to better fit my needs, while you're the one who completely disregarded my clarification. Excellent work, sir. :lol
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
aku:jiki said:
:lol
Do you go through your whole life with these same blinders on?
You simply aren't "understanding."
Maybe someday you will understand, until then, keep acting like you do, and disregarding everyone else.
Are you seriously braindead?!Alienshogun said:
We are talking about an ADS delay that apparently occurs as you lift your weapon. For a split second or so after lifting, your accuracy will need to "stabilize" before your shots will hit correctly. If you stay ADS after stabilizing, all your shots will be accurate until you drop your weapon again. If someone is camping and already ADS, and I come around the corner non-ADS, I will be at a bigger disadvantage than in previous games because his weapon is already stabilized while mine will need to stabilize.
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
lazytonberry said:
Nice, I just got a crate triple kill last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5effvlQ6WM&NR=1.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
aku:jiki said:
Wow, you are seriously wasting my time.
Do yourself a favor and reread my posts until it sinks in.
Not that I should be surprised since you're the guy who thinks showing others your balls or pictures of someone else's genitalia is a fundamental human right.
I'm going to do everyone else a favor and just put you on ignore till someone lets me know you're no longer a dumbass or till you forget to breath and the situation fixes itself.
Konig94 said:
:lol
How did you even manage to get to their crate in nuketown?
Nice work!
Once you have lifted your gun up the shots should be accurate, having a delay giving you hip-fire accuracy for a short time, even when you are ADSing sounds very stupid, however short the period is.
And what I think aku:jiki is trying to say is that the guy camping an area being constantly ADS:ed is going to have a bigger advantage because of that delay, when even if the guy coming round the corner reacts faster and is better at aiming is going to be gimped to a degree because even if he gets the sights up and starts shooting first the delay is still giving him hip-fire accuracy (even though his sights are all the way up), potentially causing him to lose a fight he would have won if the delay wasn't there.
Also the delay really decreases the effectiveness of Sleight of Hand Pro, cause even if you can get your sights up quicker, you still aren't shooting with ADS accuracy as soon as the sights are up.
Edit: Disclaimer: I haven't played Blops in a couple days (been busy with school and AC:Brotherhood) so I don't even know for certain that the delay exists, but it sounds like a really stupid idea to me.
And what I think aku:jiki is trying to say is that the guy camping an area being constantly ADS:ed is going to have a bigger advantage because of that delay, when even if the guy coming round the corner reacts faster and is better at aiming is going to be gimped to a degree because even if he gets the sights up and starts shooting first the delay is still giving him hip-fire accuracy (even though his sights are all the way up), potentially causing him to lose a fight he would have won if the delay wasn't there.
Also the delay really decreases the effectiveness of Sleight of Hand Pro, cause even if you can get your sights up quicker, you still aren't shooting with ADS accuracy as soon as the sights are up.
Edit: Disclaimer: I haven't played Blops in a couple days (been busy with school and AC:Brotherhood) so I don't even know for certain that the delay exists, but it sounds like a really stupid idea to me.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
In what way is this a bad thing (other than it would be better to have the gun actually sway rather than have the bullets become arbitrarily inaccurate)? You should be at a major disadvantage after just switching to ADS, otherwise you may as well just take hip firing out of the game.aku:jiki said:
TurboLibre
Member
D4Danger said:
It does have co-op, you just need to start the game from the Zombie Playlist.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
zam said:
Listen, in Black ops the delay is uniform. Everyone is effected equally, forget other games, there is nothing with the delay that makes one person benefit over another, with the exception of slight of hand pro, which lets you scope in faster, thus making the "delay" end quicker.
The same argument could be said (as I stated before) of a guy who checks corners in ADS, now if he sees a guy as he rounds the corner NOT in ADS, but they see each other at the same time, the guy already in ADS will still have that same "advantage," there is no argument here. Everyone is effected the same, want to have accurate shots? Be in ADS when you don't know if someone is there or not or have slight of hand pro and have your aim be accurate faster.
That's the last time I'm going to address the topic or repeat myself on the subject, I only reiterated because someone other else brought it up.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Anerythristic said:
I'm perfectly fine with that. If you make them harder to use they should do really big damage.
zero margin
Member
I'm done with this I think already, trying to play against people with better connections is pointless. Lose almost every encounter.
lazytonberry
Member
Alienshogun said:
Sorry, I know you said you were done with the topic, but I keep reading this, and reading what aku:jiki is saying, and it really feels like you (Alienshogun) are the one who is misunderstanding/misreading/misinterpreting/mis-whatever aku:jiki's statements.
Aku:jiki says the person who is already ADSing has a much bigger advantage over a person who has to pull up ADS after spotting the enemy, compared to how it used to be without a delay. He knows the person who is camping and looking at a position already in ADS has an advantage, that's not the point. The point is how much of an advantage he has, because of the arbitrary delay in accuracy that hurts the non-ADS guy more than it would have if there was no delay.
There was never a single mention of saying the guy who is already in ADS should not have a single advantage, until your language introduced that idea. I think the disconnect here is that you are downplaying the importance of the delay and how it factors into gunfights, because everyone is subject to the delay. Whereas aku:jiki is saying that it's fine if someone has an advantage because they're already looking at an area in ADS, but it's not cool with him that there's even MORE of a disadvantage to not already being in ADS all the time, compared to how it used to be.
It's just a matter of when you decide to compensate for that delay, and the relative valuation of how "fair" it is to force you to change how and when you ADS with the addition of this delay in comparison to how it used to be.
To aku:jiki, it's obviously an issue, but to you, it's not. However, I think in this case, the arguing and talking past each other could have been avoided if you had not introduced different language to argue against him, or simply replied to his specific words.
Alienshogun said:
I got there just as it dropped and my team and I were clearing out that side (so, luck). Also, you shouldn't be ADS while walking into rooms or watching an entrance, unless it's really narrow, (I don't know if this has anything to do with what you guys are bickering about, but that part about it bugged me
).Edit:
demolitio said:
I love doing this too, and it feels like I can navigate a map faster in some places (the low windows in villa next to the pool).
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
They said they patched some lag issues, here's hoping that wasn't the extent of lag fixes we will see.zero margin said:
zero margin
Member
Alienshogun said:
I'll give it some time since there aint a damn thing else to play, when I can barely even get the gun raised (with sleight of hand pro!) before I'm dead there is a problem. Of course in the killcam I was in their view for a couple seconds but on my screen they had literally just come around the corner.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
zero margin said:
Yeah, it's definitely noticeable when lag is in a game. It can be pretty damn frustrating.
Nizz
Member
This happens often to me. Sometimes it makes me want to throw my controller. On the other hand, last night I had a great night. Went positive in K/D in all but maybe 2 games. I even had some matches where I went 20 something kills and deaths in the single digits.zero margin said:
I think a lot had to do with unlocking the AK-47. Damn, I'm loving that assault rifle.
My go-to before that was the Galil silenced with red dot sight. That's still one of my loadouts but my other assault rifle class is the AK, and it'll be that way for a looong time for me.MarshMellow96
Member
Anerythristic
Member
Kyoufu said:
What am I supposed to be seeing here?
Anerythristic
Member
Kyoufu said:
Oh, I don't know. Is that a glitch ? There are other videos of people dying from taking a direct hit of unexploded C4 to the head as well. :lol Does it do damage? Maybe if your close to death it actually does a point value damage from just hitting you?
That is major bullshit. That would upset me as well.
SonOfABeep
Banned
The patch really helped this game.
zero margin
Member
Kyoufu said:
He was on the brink of death. I've hit someone with a thrown grenade and had the same thing happen.