Jack Scofield
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3ur4zn said:
This is why I hate 360's gamercard feature. Enables stalkers like this guy.
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CoD Black Ops |OT| Always Bet On Black
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This is why I hate 360's gamercard feature. Enables stalkers like this guy.
Kermit The Dog
Banned
Jack Scofield said:
How am I stalking? We're friends on Xbox Live, though not for much longer, I'm guessing.
PalaceBrother
Member
3ur4zn said:
This thread is turning into such a bitch-fest...but this is taking it to another level. You're running a background check on somebody you disagree with on the internet.
You can't prove an opinion, even with fact checkers.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
You are obsessed with me so so let me teach you a thing or two. Those Xbox live numbers are inaccurate, I have the halo 2 emblem in halo reach which you can only get if you played halo 2 on live. You can go look at my bungie.net combat record and see I played it since release. I didn't have live for a while, which is when I stopped playing cod4 and why the number is all fucked up. I could only play on live when I would go over to my buddies' dorm and he liked waw so we played that.3ur4zn said:
You say 25 hours isn't enough to judge a game, what the fuck? Most reviewers don't even spend that much time with games. I deleted the new map pack the day of release and most people hate certain maps in it over a month later.
You say you didn't really put time into cod and cod2 yet you make statements like WaW is the best cod ever. By your own logic this opinion is invalid since you didn't play enough.
I never even opened my own copy of waw :jakncoke
Kermit The Dog
Banned
PalaceBrother said:
Nah, he keeps calling me out and saying I haven't got an eye for maps, so I submitted evidence to suggest he has even less, insomuch as he's never ever fucking played it.
Anyway, you and I both know you're lying, but to spare everyone else the torture, I'll leave it at that.
divisionbyzorro
Member
God; I started this thread and I want to unsub. Give it a rest.
Ladyboy101
Banned
why do people double tap Y while moving? what's the benefit?
Stantron
Member
Tactical Mask Pro should speed up the throwing animation of tactical/lethal grenades. Just the animation, not the speed or distance that the frag is thrown. This would make the perk more desirable. The marker that the pro version gives you on stunned/flashed opponents is not that useful IMO.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Stantron said:
Scout Pro does this.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
Do not buy the maps.
divisionbyzorro
Member
After being put in the same losing S&D match four times in a row, I decided that I don't give a shit about my win-loss ratio anymore.
If there was one thing I would hope the next game fixes, it's this. Join in progress is awesome, but it shouldn't affect your stats.
If there was one thing I would hope the next game fixes, it's this. Join in progress is awesome, but it shouldn't affect your stats.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
That is true freedom.divisionbyzorro said:
Bumblebeetuna
Member
I know I posted about this earlier but I feel the need to post again. Just how shitty is the PS3 version of this game? I need to know if I have a bad disc, a dying system, or if the PS3 version is just this terrible.
Sometimes when I boot up (I have it set to go straight to MP) it takes a minute or two just for it to load. Then once I start searching for a game, it will hang. I can't move anything, I can't hear anything. It doesn't freeze, if I let it sit for a couple minutes it will pick back up. Sometimes it might take 3-4 minutes before I can move the cursor or bring up the dashboard. Sometimes I search and find a game fine but then it freezes for a minute loading the map and by the time I am in the game, a couple minutes have gone by.
Once I am in as game sometimes it seems as if textures do not load properly because some players will have rainbow colored gloves or guns or clothing. Sometimes, very rare, parts of the level will look like this. Other times sound effects either lag badly or do not come up at all. Lots of times music is non existent. But I always hear things way late. Like I call in napalm, sometimes it is 30 seconds later when I actually hear the announcement for it in my game.
I figured maybe it was the disc because SP and offline zombies work fine, no problem whatsoever. But I can also load every map fine offline in split screen mode. It only seems to be an issue when I am online. I thought maybe it was a system issue but I have no problems with any other game, only this one. Since it only was an issue online, I thought maybe it was a network issue and fiddled with my router a bit and switched around my network, putting the PS3 in DMZ, but still no dice.
So are these common issues on the PS3 version or do I have a faulty disc? I don't want to go back to the 360 version and I still love the game when it works, but my problem is I got it from a GameXChange store and they have a limited return policy and have no more copies of the PS3 version in.
Sometimes when I boot up (I have it set to go straight to MP) it takes a minute or two just for it to load. Then once I start searching for a game, it will hang. I can't move anything, I can't hear anything. It doesn't freeze, if I let it sit for a couple minutes it will pick back up. Sometimes it might take 3-4 minutes before I can move the cursor or bring up the dashboard. Sometimes I search and find a game fine but then it freezes for a minute loading the map and by the time I am in the game, a couple minutes have gone by.
Once I am in as game sometimes it seems as if textures do not load properly because some players will have rainbow colored gloves or guns or clothing. Sometimes, very rare, parts of the level will look like this. Other times sound effects either lag badly or do not come up at all. Lots of times music is non existent. But I always hear things way late. Like I call in napalm, sometimes it is 30 seconds later when I actually hear the announcement for it in my game.
I figured maybe it was the disc because SP and offline zombies work fine, no problem whatsoever. But I can also load every map fine offline in split screen mode. It only seems to be an issue when I am online. I thought maybe it was a system issue but I have no problems with any other game, only this one. Since it only was an issue online, I thought maybe it was a network issue and fiddled with my router a bit and switched around my network, putting the PS3 in DMZ, but still no dice.
So are these common issues on the PS3 version or do I have a faulty disc? I don't want to go back to the 360 version and I still love the game when it works, but my problem is I got it from a GameXChange store and they have a limited return policy and have no more copies of the PS3 version in.
Finally decided to unlock Marathon pro and holy shit! Great freaking perk (wish it was easier to get) and also thanks to this thread I starting using Flak Jacket for Demolition ( when it comes up in Merc Mosh) and have been having great success with it. I know this game has a ton of issues but when everything is working it is awesome. I also noticed there are less idiots playing this game than Mw2. I usually play both depending on which friends are online playing and have made a ton of friends on BO where as on Mw2 if I don't mute everyone I end up talking shit the whole match ( sometimes even with my teammates).
Kermit The Dog
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XeroSauce said:
It all depends of your preferred style of maps, mate. Personally, I love Berlin Wall, Discovery and Kowloon, but hate Stadium. I'm a run and gun flanker, so those 3 suit me well.
Stantron
Member
Short spas clip, got lucky with a couple of multi kills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJq_rPAi3U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJq_rPAi3U
I was just spraying thin air in Theater, of course, it didn't look weird. I had another situation with the same guy, so I tried to make a vid of it but in theater it doesn't look any worse than normal.divisionbyzorro said:
I own one of those Dazzle things the kids use (got it at work for free and never hooked it up), I can try recording some of my experiences with that instead. I got the idea to hook it up and record commentary last night while I was playing that incredibly awful Battle: LA XBLA game and I ran around quickscoping the aliens with the M40A3 that's available, LOL.
That wasn't your point at all, kid, don't try to backpedal. You tried to claim that people are doing these things and you called MW2 a "cesspool."3ur4zn said:
They're montage kids who have been brainwashed to constantly do it, since if you do it with a sniper rifle, it temporarily raises hipfire accuracy (at least in CoD4, never bothered to learn if it does for others). Some do it to make kills look cooler in their montages.Ladyboy101 said:
You can see it being done like constantly in this montage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30owWFNDOQ
Kermit The Dog
Banned
aku:jiki said:
No backpedalling. I haven't played it since December, so I wasn't going to claim to know what's it been like in the last few months. Up into then though, it was a cesspool, and from anecdotal evidence it seems little has changed.
By the way, you said they barely do it, which is still admitting it occurs. My initial point was that the exploits don't compare to Treyarch games. MW2 is full of imbalance, BO is not.
That's the thing though. How is BO so balanced, just because it doesn't have noobtubes? I mean, I thought it very refreshing and fun when BO came out myself, that there's no bullshit Danger Closing or whatever, but now I'm no longer convinced that they nailed the balance just because they removed a few obvious problems in MW2.3ur4zn said:
- The SMG category is completely fucked, we all know this.
- So are snipers - the L96 is the only barely usable one. We're all aware of this one too.
- LMGs are kinda dumb too. Why do they (aside from M60) have tiny mags and tiny ammo reserves? That's like opposite world.
- Shotguns are basically useless. Come on, I like them too but it happens far too often that you get hitmarkers on a clear face shot and they're viable on like 2 out of 15 maps.
- Assault rifles are the best balanced guns, but they're weird too. Why does the G11 come with enough ammo and accuracy to kill a fucking legion, while an AK runs out after five kills? Why does the Galil have a 35 bullet mag when it's also one of the strongest guns? That really makes no sense.
- Explosives are incredibly unpredictable and underpowered in a bad way. Yes, it makes sense that the blast radius is smaller than it ever was before. It does not make sense, however, when you blast a guy in the face with the tube and he keeps running.
- G11, Galil, Commando and AK47. Do I really need to type more than that?
- Tac-knifing is still there in full form, just with less teleporting and nobody doing it for whatever reason. Lightweight/Steady Aim/Marathon Pro + Ballistic Knife is still very very close.
Sure, MW2 fucked up by having a few too many things that are too unique and situational and basically impossible to counter - I mean, what the hell would a counter to a Javelin be, aside from some counter-magnetic perk that means missiles veer away from you or something to that effect? Black Ops doesn't have this problem because it doesn't have anything like this, aside from the totally harmless crossbow.
Kermit The Dog
Banned
I think you need to learn the definition of imbalance. I mean, the F2000 was one of the worst guns ever in COD, and completely worthless. But its not unbalanced.
It's underpowered, yes, and lacks variety. But it's not unbalanced. If you want your close-range firefights, nothing beats the MP5 and the 74u.
That montage someone posted earlier begs to differ. The only aspect on snipers I'd concede is that the maps don't cater for 'em. Array, Berlin Wall, maybe WMD, Kowloon? That's it. So yeah, it's either quick-scopers or montage-seekers. In terms of power and ease of use though, and especially since the latest patch, sniper rifles are fine.
Agree here. Aside from the M60, it's a graveyard.
Close range, they're unstoppable. That's the way it should be. Any more range and they'd be overpowered. They routinely piss me off, and a good shotty runner can tear chunks out of team. One prick was tearing me a new arsehole tonight on Array, expertly using the centre building's winding corridors to his advantage. In the right hands, they're brutal.
Because it's a 3-round burst. Although I've heard complaints that the G11's ROF is too powerful compared to the M16, but you're considerably disadvantaged at close range.
Shitty recoil. That's helped by putting on a suppressor, but then its range is neutered. Balanced.
The kids don't use the ballistic knife much because they can't exploit it the way MW2 allowed you too. It's still frustrating, but they're useless at range, and I've never seen anyone clean up with that class.
Seems like we agree, then. Treyarch removed most of the aspects of MW2 that ruined the game for the majority of the community. I have never once seen a pair of boosters, for instance. OMA was put to death, like it should be. Tubes are still powerful, but can be countered with Flak Jacket, etc. Just little things, like removing Tac Insertion from FFA. They've done a bang-up job so far.
It's underpowered, yes, and lacks variety. But it's not unbalanced. If you want your close-range firefights, nothing beats the MP5 and the 74u.
That montage someone posted earlier begs to differ. The only aspect on snipers I'd concede is that the maps don't cater for 'em. Array, Berlin Wall, maybe WMD, Kowloon? That's it. So yeah, it's either quick-scopers or montage-seekers. In terms of power and ease of use though, and especially since the latest patch, sniper rifles are fine.
Agree here. Aside from the M60, it's a graveyard.
Close range, they're unstoppable. That's the way it should be. Any more range and they'd be overpowered. They routinely piss me off, and a good shotty runner can tear chunks out of team. One prick was tearing me a new arsehole tonight on Array, expertly using the centre building's winding corridors to his advantage. In the right hands, they're brutal.
Because it's a 3-round burst. Although I've heard complaints that the G11's ROF is too powerful compared to the M16, but you're considerably disadvantaged at close range.
Shitty recoil. That's helped by putting on a suppressor, but then its range is neutered. Balanced.
The kids don't use the ballistic knife much because they can't exploit it the way MW2 allowed you too. It's still frustrating, but they're useless at range, and I've never seen anyone clean up with that class.
Seems like we agree, then. Treyarch removed most of the aspects of MW2 that ruined the game for the majority of the community. I have never once seen a pair of boosters, for instance. OMA was put to death, like it should be. Tubes are still powerful, but can be countered with Flak Jacket, etc. Just little things, like removing Tac Insertion from FFA. They've done a bang-up job so far.
Yes, it is. What is it you think balance means?3ur4zn said:
I was going to reply to most of your post point-for-point, but this part of your post just makes it clear what the problem is. You're talking about theoretics, the way the game should be if it was logical. I am talking about the way the game actually is, regardless of how illogical it is.3ur4zn said:
What you're saying about G11 in close range should make perfect sense, but in actuality it doesn't. The G11 has this ridiculously accurate and powerful hipfire - just try it yourself and you'll see. Again, this is not something I'm making up, you'll see thousands of people agreeing all over YouTube and the forums.
The same goes for everything you're saying. Yes, theoretically, you're correct about shotguns, but the damage they do is JUST enough to kill, which means that if the other guy lags out or the animations fuck your aim up, you get damage markers when you shouldn't. Shotguns need to be slightly overpowered to make up for situations like this. Sniper rifles have the same problem. In a perfect, theoretical situation, you would be correct. In a game as laggy as Black Ops, you're not.
Oh, come on. Now you're just making shit up. The Galil is a fucking laser.3ur4zn said:
divisionbyzorro
Member
aku:jiki said:
Yep. The G11 might as well be a shotgun at close range.
I honestly don't know why I don't see it more often in pub matches. It's really the only gun that I would consider overpowered, yet I rarely see it, and I can't figure out why.
aku:jiki said:
I've noticed a huge difference in the Galil's accuracy silenced versus unsilenced. Maybe it's just me, but the unsilenced Galil is incredibly accurate, while the silenced version is harder to stay on target. Maybe it's just that I'm not good enough to stay on target long enough for the silenced version to kill, but what I do know is that the unsilenced Galil is pretty damn good.
PalaceBrother
Member
Strider2K99 said:No one wants to take a look at my Black Ops films?
I get so little time to play that when I actually get in front of the TV, I don't want to look at films
I tried running Max's SMG class last night and got destroyed. I'm so used to having the M60 as my main that I react the wrong way when I'm using a close range weapon.
On another note: The "ignore" feature has made this thread a heck of a lot more enjoyable. Never tried it before today!
Kermit The Dog
Banned
aku:jiki said:
That's fair enough then. You seem to have a rough experience online. (PS3? PC? 360?) Like I've said before, I seem to get lucky. I barely encounter lag at all. So yeah, I think we can put it down to that.
Bollocks. The first bullet is accurate, but then the recoil kicks in and its unpredictable.
Elaborate? And what's Max's SMG class?
360.3ur4zn said:
I don't mean to criticize you since you're making a peacful post, but to me it's just confusing that you claim to suffer no lag. The way I feel and the way the game behaves for me and all my friends is just incredible - I make the posts I make, describing laggy situations, because the amount of lag is just shocking to me, I've never seen anything like it and I type what I type because I feel like I need to vent that somewhere.
MW2 pissed me off often and I made quite a few rage posts in that thread too (dvb can confirm my rage antics in there), but MW2 never left me with my jaw on the floor, locked in some kind of limbo state between aggressive confusion and furious rage. Black Ops does that at least once per session. Again, not criticizing you or trolling the game for no reason, just elaborating on my disappointment comment from the last page.
Hah, at least we agree on something on this page! Sounds a little strange to me too, considering the M60 has beastly hipfire. Maybe he's ADSing too much?3ur4zn said:
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Lol. Yea you can spawn lock sooooo bad in this Damn game.
Kermit The Dog
Banned
aku:jiki said:
Well, I dunno what to tell you. I'm on 360, live in metro Australia, am on an average 12mb p/s connection. I don't host much, but when I do, there's a considerable host advantage. Still, even when I don't host, and even on 3 bars, I rarely find myself blaming lag. Most of my deaths occur when I'm in a 2 on 1 firefight, or are down to poor decision making on my part.
Where are you located, by the way? And what's your GT? I'll watch a few of your recent games and see if I can see where you're coming from. Mine's Mogg0.
Yeah, if I get caught close-range with the M60, I hipfire like mad, and more often that not come out on top. Strange weapon.
I like how hipfire's been nerfed too, it forces me to hone my ADS skills, which fell into disrepair considering WaW's hipfire friendly playstyle. :lol
I'm DROGTURIST, I've had a horrible time with the game all week so like every game in my recents should be full of bullshit.3ur4zn said:
(You do realize the bullshit deaths don't look very bullshit in theater though? Theater is always what the host saw, not what I saw.)
I think they tweaked it to make Steady Aim feel more powerful. I never felt SA was that powerful in older games, but here it's insane. Had a few very crazy ranged kills on Cracked the other night, almost put them on YouTube but didn't bother.3ur4zn said:
I guess there's this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Eq-Xihmx8
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Kermit The Dog
Banned
That's nothing, in WaW I don't think I ADS'd unless I was at least 40 or 50 feet away. Even with the MP40's considerable recoil, hipfire was incredibly effective when used by a skilful player.
I sometimes get a silly long-range hipfire kill with the MP5 or 47u, but 8/10 you'll lose a firefight hipfiring anywhere beyond close range. I think it's pretty fair.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
LeMaximilian said:
Why do you use the noob tube on the 74u? It pales in comparison to rapid fire on it, rapid fire is better than even grip because for some reason it reduces the recoil on it as well.
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
Traded in Black Ops for Modern Warfare 2 today. I missed it so much.
I think what I've learned after playing both games extensively is that "balance" doesn't automatically make a game better. Black Ops is so boring to me. I would regularly have high K/D in the games I played in but something was missing... it just wasn't fun the way MW2 was for me. The guns behave almost all the same in Black Ops, the maps are too big so the action isn't as fast paced as MW2, the killstreaks aren't as interesting, the sound design and graphics are clearly inferior to MW2.
Treyarch played it really safe with Black Ops. I suppose they didn't have much of a choice though.
I think what I've learned after playing both games extensively is that "balance" doesn't automatically make a game better. Black Ops is so boring to me. I would regularly have high K/D in the games I played in but something was missing... it just wasn't fun the way MW2 was for me. The guns behave almost all the same in Black Ops, the maps are too big so the action isn't as fast paced as MW2, the killstreaks aren't as interesting, the sound design and graphics are clearly inferior to MW2.
Treyarch played it really safe with Black Ops. I suppose they didn't have much of a choice though.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Agreed, in any other game mode RF would be the better attachment. In domination, it just helps for defense on flags. Although, I hardly ever use the 74u, this was just one of those games that goes well.cuevas said:
cuevas. PhD.
Member
By fast pace do you mean mechanics that encourage camping by rewarding you for doing it? Getting kills was at its easiest in mw2. There's no satisfaction in that game.Cerrius said:
I've stopped using killstreaks that get me kills in blops and it is so much more fun. I may not be having amazing games in a chopper gunner but that isn't as much fun.
Jack Scofield
Member
Cerrius said:
I agree. MW2 is way better than Black Ops, but the single biggest issue in MW2 is the spawning. It's atrocious, especially when coupled with the idiotic deathstreaks.
For example, on Skidrow, you can kill someone on the mounted machine gun, and they'd spawn on the bottom of the stairs leading to the alley. Either that or down the street, both of which are about 10 feet away from you.
In MW2, you're not only fighting the enemy, you're fighting the spawn system and dumb teammates (earlier today I went 39-4 in MTDM and STILL lost. No one else was positive on my team).
Game is still loads of fun, though. Can't say that about Black Ops.
Kermit The Dog
Banned
Jack Scofield said:
:lol