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CoD Black Ops |OT| Always Bet On Black
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divisionbyzorro
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Cerrius said:
I went back and played some MW2 a little while ago. I forgot just how insane that game is as compared to Black Ops. There's always tons of shit happening; snipers, helicopters, jets, airstrikes, predator missiles, rockets, etc - it's almost overwhelming by comparison. And because the killstreaks stack, the games move much faster because it's so much easier to get the powerful stuff up in the air. I can definitely see how that batshit-insane style of game might appeal to some more than the more measured, deliberate gameplay of Black Ops, but I personally much prefer the toned-down approach.
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divisionbyzorro said:
I tell my friends this all the time, and I think I might've mentioned it before here.
COD4 feels like the sequel to W@W
MW2 feels like the sequel to BO
MW2 can be really responsive and spot on in the controls department, which is why I really enjoy playing it with a 'I don't give a fuck!' attitude. Rushing spawns with a Spas is one of the most satisfying things in any online game I've played yet, and still is even with BO released.
So I tried sniping for the first time today. Went with the L96A1 with variable zoom. Kind of awkward to use, since I use the Tactical button layout, which puts the zoom on B.
Sniping has always felt weird for me in Call of Duty, and it still does. I feel so exposed all the time, as I can't stand sitting in one spot for more than a moment. I end getting more kills with the Python than my rifle. I also get fewer kills, as I think my peak score was around 15 kills. And sniping is only satisfying for me if I'm getting headshots. Wasn't using the suppressor at the time, since I was trying to unlock Scout Pro just for the hell of it, but I plan on using it if I keep sniping, and that forces you to get head (or neck) shots anyway. But then, I might as well just use the Dragunov.
And why is the L96 in the game anyway? I assumed all the guns were at least somewhat relevant during the Vietnam-ish era, but the L96 is from the 80s. But then again, looking at some of the other weapons, seems like that's the case for a number of them.
Sniping has always felt weird for me in Call of Duty, and it still does. I feel so exposed all the time, as I can't stand sitting in one spot for more than a moment. I end getting more kills with the Python than my rifle. I also get fewer kills, as I think my peak score was around 15 kills. And sniping is only satisfying for me if I'm getting headshots. Wasn't using the suppressor at the time, since I was trying to unlock Scout Pro just for the hell of it, but I plan on using it if I keep sniping, and that forces you to get head (or neck) shots anyway. But then, I might as well just use the Dragunov.
And why is the L96 in the game anyway? I assumed all the guns were at least somewhat relevant during the Vietnam-ish era, but the L96 is from the 80s. But then again, looking at some of the other weapons, seems like that's the case for a number of them.
Xux
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aku:jiki said:
I think that depends on whether or not you're on the side of believing the M21 was overpowered or underpowered. I've seen people say that the WA2000 is the best sniper 'cause of it's ease of landing a follow up shot and that the PSG1 is the worst for it's lack of power compared to the L96 and it's too high of recoil.
aku:jiki said:
It's 'cause LMGs are more long range power weapons than spray and pray machines. Just treat them like the FAL and M14 with the option to go full-auto up close especially with the HK21 and RPK's lower hipfire. I also think the Stoner63 is pretty much above and beyond the other three just like the FAMAS and AUG are the best ARs simply because they kill so much faster than the others.
aku:jiki said:
Well, the Galil has the slowest recoil to make up for it. Burst fire and magazine size don't feel like they have much to do with each other to me.
aku:jiki said:
Yeah. The Enfield is near identical and otherwise balanced with the Galil so I still have no clue why people ignore it. The AK47's a worse Commando in, like, every statistic they differ in. Burst fire guns are near worthless without stopping power.
3ur4zn said:
Then what is it? Something being worse than everything else is exactly what imbalanced means.
3ur4zn said:
Again, this is just flat out contradictory. If the MP5k and the AK74u are that much better than the other seven SMGs then that is extremely imbalanced.
divisionbyzorro said:
It's not that good. I'd say it's the ninth best AR above the M16.
divisionbyzorro said:
It's just you; suppressors have never had any effect whatsoever on recoil.
USD said:
Black Ops is just "Cold War" IE from the end of WWII to the early 90's.
While I like Stoner's rof and larger mag compared with the HK21, I'm a fan of iron sights, and the stoner's sights are really tiny.Xux said:
I beg to differ, the M16 with the ACOG scope is really good, much better than the vanilla M16 in fact. And no I don't mean on hardcore.Xux said:
Xux said:
Out of curiousity, how would you guys rank the ARs? I'm a mid to long range guy myself, and the FAMAS and AUG doesn't really work for me due to their recoil over range.
For me it's pretty much
Commando > M16 (but only w/ acog) > G11 > AK47 > Galil > the rest
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Don't they have the same magazine size?maomaoIYP said:
Xux
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maomaoIYP said:
They have the same magazine size. Also, I find the huge rear sight on the HK21 to be more annoying than the Stoner's sights.
maomaoIYP said:
I have such terrible luck with burst fire guns in this game; I'm lucky if I get two hitmarkers per burst. The reliability of being able to spray far outshines the rare one burst kill. The reduced recoil from the ACOG is pretty nice, though, especially combined with M16's huge range when unsuppressed.
maomaoIYP said:
AUG = FAMAS > Commando > AK47 > Galil = Enfield > M14 > FAL > G11 > M16
I'll do the rest just for shits 'n giggles:
AK74u > MP5K = Skorpion = MAC11 = MPL = Spectre > PM63 > Uzi > Kiparis
SPAS > HS10 > Stakeout > Olympia
Stoner > HK21 = M60 > RPK
WA2000 > Dragunov = L96 > PSG
Python > CZ75 > ASP = M1911 = Makarov
Guess I'll chime in on the weapon balance discussion...
The shotguns are practically useless and are probably the weakest they've ever been. The removal of stopping power nerfed them across the board, plus it doesn't help that, aside from the SPAS, they're all poorly designed and impractical. The Olympia is useless if there's more than one enemy (or if they're more than 12m away), the Stakeout is heavily reliant on good hit detection and netcode (both of which Blops lacks), the HS-10 is a worse SPAS and the SPAS... at the ranges it's dominant in, you're better off lunging and knifing.
The sniper rifles are also practically useless. Mainly because of aforementioned stopping power removal. They're also wonky. I've been using the PSG-1 lately and shots to the center mass occasionally don't even register... it's not like I'm being shot at either, even with held breath they just don't register. I don't get it. (Actually, I do, see: hit detection and netcode complaints.)
SMGs, outside of the gripped AK-74, are all too weak and you're almost always better off using an AR. The gripped 74 is an exception purely because it's powerful, doesn't burn through ammo and doesn't have much recoil. Gripped Scorpion can also be good with scavenger, but then you have to sacrifice your first perk.
LMGs are basically less maneuverable ARs with none of the ammo/clip size benefits that LMGs usually offer. (Except for the M60 of course, but even then its use over a regular AR is pretty limited.)
Which leaves the assault rifles. Which are actually balanced pretty well overall, even though there's about three guns that stand head and shoulders above the rest (Famas, AUG and Commando).
I suppose my problem with Blops is that it's just boring there's really no reason to use any weapons outside of the ARs. MW2 was an unbalanced piece of shit with awful maps but the aspect that gave it longevity was the ability to use whatever wacky, hair-brained class you can think of and still do well. With Blops I try to use a shotgun or sniper rifle or SMG and get annoyed because I'm almost always at some sort of disadvantage purely for using those weapons. It gets old after a while.
The shotguns are practically useless and are probably the weakest they've ever been. The removal of stopping power nerfed them across the board, plus it doesn't help that, aside from the SPAS, they're all poorly designed and impractical. The Olympia is useless if there's more than one enemy (or if they're more than 12m away), the Stakeout is heavily reliant on good hit detection and netcode (both of which Blops lacks), the HS-10 is a worse SPAS and the SPAS... at the ranges it's dominant in, you're better off lunging and knifing.
The sniper rifles are also practically useless. Mainly because of aforementioned stopping power removal. They're also wonky. I've been using the PSG-1 lately and shots to the center mass occasionally don't even register... it's not like I'm being shot at either, even with held breath they just don't register. I don't get it. (Actually, I do, see: hit detection and netcode complaints.)
SMGs, outside of the gripped AK-74, are all too weak and you're almost always better off using an AR. The gripped 74 is an exception purely because it's powerful, doesn't burn through ammo and doesn't have much recoil. Gripped Scorpion can also be good with scavenger, but then you have to sacrifice your first perk.
LMGs are basically less maneuverable ARs with none of the ammo/clip size benefits that LMGs usually offer. (Except for the M60 of course, but even then its use over a regular AR is pretty limited.)
Which leaves the assault rifles. Which are actually balanced pretty well overall, even though there's about three guns that stand head and shoulders above the rest (Famas, AUG and Commando).
I suppose my problem with Blops is that it's just boring there's really no reason to use any weapons outside of the ARs. MW2 was an unbalanced piece of shit with awful maps but the aspect that gave it longevity was the ability to use whatever wacky, hair-brained class you can think of and still do well. With Blops I try to use a shotgun or sniper rifle or SMG and get annoyed because I'm almost always at some sort of disadvantage purely for using those weapons. It gets old after a while.
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I don't get peoples issue with shotguns. I use a silenced SPAS and wreck people. Just gotta use it right. Idk about any of the other shotties, haven't used many of them. But a lot of people call them useless and I just don't see it. They work just like they should, which is brutal at close range and pretty worthless anywhere else. Basically the opposite of MW2's magic shotguns.
Xux
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DuckRacer said:
I agree with most of what you said but the sniper rifles in this game are pretty much the old sniper rifles with built in stopping power; the L96 has the most multipliers and kills from hitting the most body parts of any sniper except the M40 ACOG with stopping power, the PSG has the same multipliers as the Barrett with stopping power, and the WA2000 is an M21 with stopping power and a smaller magazine. The Dragunov didn't benefit from stopping power and is kinda mediocre in this game since the WA2000 is the same with less recoil.
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wanna share some aug love in this thread because i am just coming back from some amazing matches in which i tried my luck with this underused beast and it was a blast.
never really cared about the aug, because looking at the ingame stats for each assault rifle, the aug seems like one of the weakest guns (at least to me
).
But, oh boy, this thing is good. Kills guys ultra fast like it has built in rapid fire. And has almost the same low recoil as the famas. So i am wondering, why is this gun so underused an underrated? Am i missing something?
never really cared about the aug, because looking at the ingame stats for each assault rifle, the aug seems like one of the weakest guns (at least to me
).But, oh boy, this thing is good. Kills guys ultra fast like it has built in rapid fire. And has almost the same low recoil as the famas. So i am wondering, why is this gun so underused an underrated? Am i missing something?
Xux
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sponk said:wanna share some aug love in this thread because i am just coming back from some amazing matches in which i tried my luck with this underused beast and it was a blast.
never really cared about the aug, because looking at the ingame stats for each assault rifle, the aug seems like one of the weakest guns (at least to me
But, oh boy, this thing is good. Kills guys ultra fast like it has built in rapid fire. And has almost the same low recoil as the famas. So i am wondering, why is this gun so underused an underrated? Am i missing something?
FAMAS is unlocked earlier and has a little more predictable recoil so people tend to use it more. Otherwise it is pretty close to being as ridiculously overpowered.
I don't mean to be a dick, but I'm not sure why you made a huge post filled with theoreticals after I straight-up told 3ur4zn that I have no interest in discussing theoreticals. I'm talking about what the game is actually like, not what "should" be this or that.Xux said:
The Enfield is only similar to the Galil in stats. They don't feel the same at all in game, and the Enfield feels weak as fuck at all ranges. Which is why people ignore it.
(Same goes for your comment on sniper rifles, btw. You're correct if all we're doing here is reading DenKirson, but you're not correct in-game. PSG1 has high recoil, but it snaps back to the exact same pixel as you were aiming at before and it does so immediately. The recoil is a total non-factor.)
I really wish you guys who very obviously don't snipe would stop making comments on the sniping in this game...Xux said:
I think I'm done with my romp with the sniper. At times it's fun, at others incredibly aggravating. The overall range of combat in BO is way too small for me to feel comfortable sniping. But it's the only (conventional) way to get my OHK fix in BO, without breaking down and playing Hardcore.
I guess should try out LMGs next. I avoid using them before, until I found out that the M60 has easy-mode iron sights. And with the low rate of fire, you can single-shot like an M14, which is right up my alley.
In other news, my win ratio is horrible in this game. The only COD I've played where I'm below a 1.0, which is sad. I went from the power player in COD4 to just another guy on the battlefield, because obviously my performance isn't having much an effect on the outcome of the match.
Also, I hate the SR-71 so much. And it's mostly because the randoms I play with suck. Surprise, surprise. Now that I switched to Counter-Spy Plane, which I save just in case a Blackbird shows up, I feel forced to keep using it.
I guess should try out LMGs next. I avoid using them before, until I found out that the M60 has easy-mode iron sights. And with the low rate of fire, you can single-shot like an M14, which is right up my alley.
In other news, my win ratio is horrible in this game. The only COD I've played where I'm below a 1.0, which is sad. I went from the power player in COD4 to just another guy on the battlefield, because obviously my performance isn't having much an effect on the outcome of the match.
Also, I hate the SR-71 so much. And it's mostly because the randoms I play with suck. Surprise, surprise. Now that I switched to Counter-Spy Plane, which I save just in case a Blackbird shows up, I feel forced to keep using it.
divisionbyzorro
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I find it hilarious that everybody appears to have very strong opinions about which weapons are the best and which ones aren't - and they're all different (SMGs excluded). If there was a true consensus on which assault rifles/snipers/LMGs were the best, then you could make a case for the game not being well-balanced, but the fact that everybody seems to have found a different gun that's the "best" in each category speaks volumes to the actual level of balance in the game.
If you mean it's the same game as Black Ops with more shit thrown in, then sure, I'll buy that.
I'd agree. I've said this before in this thread: the highs of MW2 are higher than the highs of Black Ops. But MW2 is still the most frustrating game I've ever played in my life; I only enjoyed it when I didn't give a shit about K/D and was just collecting emblems. The moment I tried to actually get better at the game instead of just chasing challenges, I completely stopped enjoying it. I don't ever rage at a weapon or killstreak or design decision in Black Ops; the only thing that ever makes me mad is the sheer lunacy of the teammates you find, and that's true in every shooter ever made.
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Also, I really think that there's something to attachment grinding and emblem collection. In MW2, if you didn't prestige, there was still a huge pile of different things for you to try to go do. There was always incentive to keep trying new weapons, perks, combinations, etc, and you got tangible rewards for them. Not so in Black Ops. If you're driven by the rewards that the game gives you, Black Ops pales in comparison to MW2 - with the exception of pro perks (which are harder than ever to get). And those emblem chases pushed me through the low points of MW2; even if I had a really bad losing streak due to tubes or whatever, I was still making progress towards that next challenge! In Black Ops, if you're in the middle of a losing streak due to lag or shitty teammates, there's no consolation - you just have to deal with it.
LeMaximilian said:
If you mean it's the same game as Black Ops with more shit thrown in, then sure, I'll buy that.
LeMaximilian said:
I'd agree. I've said this before in this thread: the highs of MW2 are higher than the highs of Black Ops. But MW2 is still the most frustrating game I've ever played in my life; I only enjoyed it when I didn't give a shit about K/D and was just collecting emblems. The moment I tried to actually get better at the game instead of just chasing challenges, I completely stopped enjoying it. I don't ever rage at a weapon or killstreak or design decision in Black Ops; the only thing that ever makes me mad is the sheer lunacy of the teammates you find, and that's true in every shooter ever made.
EDIT:
Also, I really think that there's something to attachment grinding and emblem collection. In MW2, if you didn't prestige, there was still a huge pile of different things for you to try to go do. There was always incentive to keep trying new weapons, perks, combinations, etc, and you got tangible rewards for them. Not so in Black Ops. If you're driven by the rewards that the game gives you, Black Ops pales in comparison to MW2 - with the exception of pro perks (which are harder than ever to get). And those emblem chases pushed me through the low points of MW2; even if I had a really bad losing streak due to tubes or whatever, I was still making progress towards that next challenge! In Black Ops, if you're in the middle of a losing streak due to lag or shitty teammates, there's no consolation - you just have to deal with it.
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I dunno G11 with that weird ass scope and sleight of hand pro so good, even at close range.
For me, as a person who's not so much driven by the reward but by the fun challenge, I definitely agree. Black Ops challenges just suck. "Get a bank shot medal" is just not anywhere near as fun or cool as "stick a semtex to your buddy's riot shield and get a kill lol." Doing that challenge in MW2 was fucking hilarious - doing, like, a 150 headshot challenge or something in BO is not going to be fun or noteworthy in any way.divisionbyzorro said:
(Then again, I'm just agreeing because you made the post. This is not something that actually bothers me personally.)
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Mercenary TDM is back.
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vidal said:
Sure, but I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who didn't want to grind to prestige 14. I hit P1L50 and stopped - and there's literally nothing left to do other than give up the pro perks and keep grinding out prestige levels. In MW2, there was an unending amount of stuff to do, even if you didn't prestige.
cuevas. PhD.
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Blops is the first cod where I like to put something besides red dot on my weapons, the only time I used to not use red dot was on my ninja smg class in cod4.
Mr. Enigma
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cuevas said:
Did you like the Red Dot over the Holographic in MW2?
cuevas. PhD.
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Yeah I hated that thing as much as I hated what they did to my beloved modern warfare.AnEternalEnigma said:
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Wow spot on with mine. What's your kd? Im a consistent 2.05Ryck said:
I know I can check that on my Playercard but does it have an option to differentiate by game type. ( I tend to die a lot in Demolition and Domination)RJNavarrete said:
Overall my KDR is 1.07 which is pretty unimpressive actually lol...4121 Kills and 3861 Deaths.
This was my last game...this is why my win ratio is .78 lol
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You can check your tdm kd in the leaderboards.Ryck said:
Anyone who is friends with me check out my last game played, its amazing how fun non lethal killstreaks are.
Mr. Enigma
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The Prestige playlists have been removed due to low usage.
divisionbyzorro
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AnEternalEnigma said:
Dumb idea anyway. Why would anyone deliberately pit themselves against people who might be at or above their skill level?
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divisionbyzorro said:
Like prestige means anything, I look at some 15th prestige guys profiles and they can barely manage a .5 K/D. If they already played 20 days you'd think they would be better.
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Did they remove Havana from Demo or something? Haven't seen it all day and neither have any of my friends....
Okay, I swear what I'm about to type is 100% true and I'll check in theater after my friends quit playing...
I was playing on WMD. As I was walking through the campy house in the middle, while holding akimbo M1911's and I had been holding them throughout the house, I suddenly got 4-5 damage markers on my screen, scored a kill and the killfeed said I shot someone with my M16. Say fucking what?!
I was playing on WMD. As I was walking through the campy house in the middle, while holding akimbo M1911's and I had been holding them throughout the house, I suddenly got 4-5 damage markers on my screen, scored a kill and the killfeed said I shot someone with my M16. Say fucking what?!
They did?! AWESOME!RJNavarrete said:
divisionbyzorro
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aku:jiki said:
You remind me of my wife. She can find bugs in every piece of technology, regardless of how well it performs for me or the rest of our family.
These sorts of things do happen; I just don't understand how you run into it so often. The weirdest thing I've ever seen was this clip SeaNanners uploaded a little while ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F45wNgcoVG8
This is theater; in-game he sees someone who seems to be AFK.
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hello wii guy checking in. Awesome game. Very addicting. I use stoner 63 mainly.
may i know which gun was that?
divisionbyzorro said:You remind me of my wife. She can find bugs in every piece of technology, regardless of how well it performs for me or the rest of our family.
These sorts of things do happen; I just don't understand how you run into it so often. The weirdest thing I've ever seen was this clip SeaNanners uploaded a little while ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F45wNgcoVG8
This is theater; in-game he sees someone who seems to be AFK.
may i know which gun was that?
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Commando.crazy monkey said:
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aku:jiki said:
Upload it!
Mmm, there's a few Aussie guys I see who've played 22 days worth, which is the highest I've seen. That's about 5 hours a day average since launch! All of them are terrible, and none have a kd above 1.5. Why play something you're not good at? Must be so frustrating.
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cuevas. PhD.
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Had a guy with a .7 kd dashboard on us when he was host when he was 5-12 or something. Really? Dashboarding to keep your. 7 kd? Really? Really?!
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Maybe his mom made him wash the dishes geeze!cuevas said:
A-ha! Theater caught it! I really wasn't expecting that.3ur4zn said:
I sped up a bunch of play before it happens to show that it's not Second Chance (which wouldn't explain the damage markers anyway) or freak lag or anything really. It's just WTF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dii2RGVqO90
You can't aggressively defend on WMD Demo without spawn camping! Blame Treyarch for not putting any cover there! Haha, seriously though.