Melchiah
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I think it's pretty safe to assume the architecture is similar to ensure compatibility.
Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"
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I think it's pretty safe to assume the architecture is similar to ensure compatibility.
The other way around.
Some are saying this new model ISN'T necessarily a bad thing.
Your right. And clearly no business makes bad decisions. I mean do you really think MS would be adding DRM if Sony weren't also?
I already game on pc and upgrade my video card every other year and this still seems fine to me. I honestly think people are making a big deal out of nothing.
durrrrrrrrrr
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Devs should stop being so entitled and celebrate the idea of having more to do during crunch time for their art. I'm glad Sony is taking the steps to weed out the chaff one 80 hour week at a time.
Scrotum Phillips
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The majority of games that come out are 3rd party games. They're not all of a sudden going to start becoming more optimized the longer this generation goes on.
Yup. All this is is most of the same parts that you have to buy again. People make up nonsense like "this is how tech is changing" but actually its just that the phone market has replaced a large section of the PC market where constant upgrades are released annually.
People are not buying every new version and more importantly their not paying for a system dedicated to one thing.
I don't want to assume anything, if I can pop in killzone shadow fall into the new ps4, and ot works, then I'll be a believer.
First, I HAVE a Gaming PC. Second, the console won't lose it's 'simplicity'. It's still easy to use, you still don't have windows, you still don't have to install stuff all the time, you still don't have to use a mouse+keyboard, you still have a dedicated small gaming-box under your TV.... and the list goes on and on.
In my opinion, some people are simply mad because now others can play PS4 games with better graphics if they pay more. And so, they hate this option and want it removed, so they won't feel weak like they're on 'second place'.
yup, thats my plan. talking with people i know and some on here, im not the only one with this mindset. my question is how it will impact the console manufacturers who pursue this business model.
i feel like thats a leap and a weird thing to assume. i can care less about being '' second place ''. its more about the price of access to get the full benefits of consoles now outweighs the other option
Firmus_Anguis
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They keyword here being... Considerable. I wouldn't call 900p vs 1080p "considerable". I'd call them sacrifices. Not considerable ones.
It's a contraditiction in that he's suggesting there's no need for a better console; no need for a PS5 - that it'll do just fine, and heck - Even improve!
Releasing a better version of their console 3 years down the line doesn't give much weight to his prior statements about longevity and the advantages of focusing on a single console, now does it?
Melchiah
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http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/
So, yeah it's safe to assume all your PS4 games will work on PS4K as well.
PeakPointMatrix
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Don't encourage burying new news in mega threads. New News/info = New Thread. I would have never learned this otherwise.
Talking with people I know and some members here, I'm not the only one with this mindset. I support the idea. We have another option and options are great. You have the option and the right to not support this idea. I have the option to support it. I will and I'm not alone either.
My thoughts as well. Lol at the people leaving for PC to avoid the upgrade stuff.... or the confusion over two hardware specs.
I'm baffled these same posts keep popping up. DON'T BUY IT! YOUR PS4 WILL NOT EXPLODE UPON RELEASE.
That's not why people are going to PC. It's about consoles trying to be PCs without PC gaming benefits.
Sony should have just stuck with the PS3 and not make them learn a whole new system in 2013. Then the devs would have been on easy street.
recklesscognition
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Would they not have to bug check both versions in their entirety? Ugh that would suck.
No one is forcing you to pay 400€ every two years. Even if PS4.5 didn't exist that doesn't mean your games are suddenly going to be better off. Hyrule Warriors would have sucked on 3DS whether or not for the New 3DS.
Firmus_Anguis
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Lionel Richie
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EA is going for redemption and is going to boycott this motherfucker and save us from the shitty future it presents, right?
hahahahahaha
blankempathy
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EA will likely have one of their representatives featured for sonys inevitable montage videos of devs and publishers talking about how great the ps4k will be.
Melchiah
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The PS4 versions won't be gimped, they just won't run with the same framerate/resolution/effects as the PS4K and PC versions do. There's no need to get the upgraded version, if you're satisfied with how the current model runs the games. It'll be supported as before. If you aren't, well, now you have an option. An option, which doesn't invalidate the existence of the original, or the work the developers have put to its architecture.
I would personally call 1080p vs. 900p a considerable difference, and some probably would call 60fps vs. 30fps even more so.
I only hope, as a possible PS4K buyer, that the enhancements won't stop at resolution and framerate, but will include better AA/AF and visual effects as well.
Psychoward
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Ding ding, why bother spending more on upgrades every three years than my pc friends do with none of the benefits an open platform can provide?
Movalpolos
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You really believe that tweet?
That's true (about overall work), but it's no where near comparable to things like early cross gen (completely different architectures and order of magnitude power differences).
I did recently speak with some individuals who have ported code between numerous chipset supercomputers with different architectures, so my view of difficulty may be currently skewed.
Also, older games should easily retain full compatibility. The questions will be more of will they be patched to take advantage of new hardware.
Glad to help.
Shouldn't be an issue unless they are implementing specific GPU optimizations. Even then, the entire game would be overkill. I don't know Sony's full process, but It's not like PC devs do that.
Psychoward
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What else is there to go on, there's speculation on both sides. Whether it is or isn't true is irrelevant to the post you quoted, it was just his reaction to the news.
ZombiePlatypus
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Is it that they feel like they need to make 2 versions of the game, or is "neo" just not built in a developer-friendly manner?
If it's the latter, I fear that this will kill off whatever supposed surge Sony was starting to inject into the Japanese console-scene. Hopefully it's just a matter of getting acclimated to a new piece of hardware.
It's for Sony.
If it's the latter, I fear that this will kill off whatever supposed surge Sony was starting to inject into the Japanese console-scene. Hopefully it's just a matter of getting acclimated to a new piece of hardware.
It's for Sony.
Papacheeks
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Actually that's what happens when they figure out their own in-house engines. Look at Rockstar, they went from Red dead Redemption which used their latest build that came off from GTA 4, and was retooled from the bottom up. Then with that retooled they were able to make GTA V look the way it did on PS3, 360. There's a huge progression in how character models, animation look from gta 4, RDR, and GTA V.
Same goes for DICE's engine, even though to push their latest build they sacrificed resolution to have better lighting, textures and effects.
Go look at Naughty Dog, look at how Characters look in Uncharted 1,2,3 and then look at last of us.
Huge progression of their tools, engine and rigging work.
Third party outside of the few I mentioned seem to get caught up in just trying to one up in each game and try to make a new engine for each one.
Or they don't try to improve their code, and build a shitty engine around it aka fallout 4.
Seriously go look at the past 2 years of call of duty compared to ghosts. Look at the progression in engine, or changes they made for each studio. Each one runs it's own built variant of the COD engine.
Some of them better than others. treyarch goes for almost cartoony, high hue color rendering which is why everything in that game kind of pops color wise.
Sledge Hammer went for the crysis mantel in how they rendered their game assets. If your rig can play it it looks pretty damn impressive.
You don't think as time on they don't refine? That's my whole point that's proven with titles in last gen, cause they do.
Look at xbox in the beginning of 360 they had HD component and most games after HDMI were still 720p, then as U3 for gears, and(bungie's halo engine don't remember what it was called) got better with xb360 documentation and updates to skd's we got more 1080p outputted games.
Gears of war 3 still looks freaking great character model and effect wise.
SolidSnakex
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Shinobi said pretty much the same thing, when Kotaku first posted the article they noted that developers who didn't have prior knowledge of it weren't particularly excited about it, and you have the former Bioware co-founder. So yeah, it's not hard at all to believe that tweet.
Audioboxer
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Because normally a serious console investment is down to exclusive titles you can't play elsewhere. Not a schedule of investments.
Hence why people buy consoles at all different stages of the lifespan. Heck a fair few of the touted PS behemoths aren't even out yet.
I can imagine one of your PC friends upgrading his graphics card earlier than your schedule says and everyone flipping out... Right? Cause that stops you and your other friends being able to play the same game at the same time... Same thing here, no PS4 is going to stop being able to play future exclusives.
Let's hope it stays that way. I'm still kinda thinking these are all just Ps5 rumours.
Well Sony were doing well based on the strength of their software and general business model but maybe I won't buy the upgraded hardware? Gaming isn't really a big part of my life anymore, i've really only been in it for the souls games the last 2-3 years so not a huge deal for me skipping any of this stuff.
Movalpolos
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So you believe that Colin's source spoke with most of the devs around the world?
What if Colin's source is Shinobi?
This is why theres a standard power difference between PS4 and Xbox One for every game. Seriously people are forgetting the cluster fuck of that launch and the PC architecture was supposed to prevent those issues.
PCs are much more powerful than consoles to be able to push through these differences. Totally different types of development.
Psychoward
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We're not taking it as fact, just that it's plausible jesus.
SolidSnakex
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There's no way to verify if it's "the majority", but all signs point toward it certainly not going over smoothly with at least some devs.
Clockwork5
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Developers are mad that there is more work keeping them employed?
Anyway since people are calling me out
Before the edit: How much dev time did it take to get a few more frames out of my overclocked CPU?
Anyway since people are calling me out
Before the edit: How much dev time did it take to get a few more frames out of my overclocked CPU?
Papacheeks
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Fushichou187
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aww I liked your initial post before the edit haha
swift edit there m8
more reasons to not see their families or start one
Clockwork5
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Sounds like an issue with their boss. Not the console hardware.
Firmus_Anguis
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So having non-optimized ports that chug along at 20 fps is not gimping? What is then, by your definition?
Osiris made clear that developers will take full advantage of the new hardware, essentially not giving a fuck how they run on the regular PS4. That's gimping!
It's of course inevitable that PS4 games will eventually run into limitations and problems when trying to tackle more ambitious titles... But not in it's THIRD year. That's never happened. At least never to a console this successful - And especially not to a console whose console makers touted its longevity!
bwahaha ... no
unless you have 3 titan Xs SLI or whatever you're never 'first place' being a PC gamer. read any performance thread, half the people have setups only marginally better than a PS4
meanspartan
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You say that in a mocking tone as if it isn't a legitimate complaint.
The whole premise of consoles for 30+ years is that if you bought a console, for the lifespan of that machine, you got the optimum experience. Games were made with that system in mind.
Now early adopters, the people who made the ps4 the success it is, get the second rate experience and feel lesser unless they shell out more money to Sony for another Ps4.
Again, I'm fighting a losing battle. It seems you and your perspective have won out. Congrats. I still think its shit.
adamantypants
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Yeah after reading all the iterations of the threads on this topic, we're in the minority. People seem pretty upset about this news and everyone is entitled to their opinion. That though, keeps me solidly in the PC space. As someone who's jumped from 660 to 760 to 780ti to 980ti in just under 3 years, I'm pretty used to spending stupid amounts of money on upgrading hardware more often than yearly.
except that people who haven't bought a PS4 haven't been enjoying playing PS4 games for the last 3 years, which early adopters have