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College Football Offseason: FEAR THE TREE (and other non-threatening PC mascots)

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Monroeski

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Appears to be a rumor running around that Michael Brewer missed some workout time over the Summer due to a slipped disc that still isn't quite right. May be giving true freshman Davis Webb a leg up in the QB battle.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
andycapps said:
That was a really weird motivational speech.
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It's a condensed version of the speech he gives (or at least gave) to NFL rookies. The speech from 2011 is on youtube, and the full version is much, much better than this one.
 
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andycapps

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mre said:
It's a condensed version of the speech he gives (or at least gave) to NFL rookies. The speech from 2011 is on youtube, and the full version is much, much better than this one.
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The second one wasn't quite as weird as the first one. I guess I haven't watched a lot of motivational speeches, other than Chris Farley.

cdyhybrid said:
There's something off about this picture that Meier is posting. I can't put my finger on it...
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It is strange, I can't seem to figure it out either.
 
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timetokill

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andycapps

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timetokill said:
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The ironic thing is that they're profiting from sales of athletes after they're no longer in college and then they're not sharing that money then, as far as I know. The NCAA is such a horrible organization, they don't actually do anything. I'd be very interested to read their financial statements and see how much each person is being paid. I'd guess that the total amount of people employed has to be pretty low, considering they don't actually do much of anything.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
andycapps said:
The ironic thing is that they're profiting from sales of athletes after they're no longer in college and then they're not sharing that money then, as far as I know. The NCAA is such a horrible organization, they don't actually do anything. I'd be very interested to read their financial statements and see how much each person is being paid. I'd guess that the total amount of people employed has to be pretty low, considering they don't actually do much of anything.
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Yep. I don't agree that athletes should be able to profit directly off of their image or name while in college, because the system would be too ripe for abuse. However, if an athlete's likeness or name is used to sell a product, they should receive a percentage of the revenue upon their graduation or other type of permanent separation from college.

Of course, this brings up the issue where if a jersey is sold with a number on it but no name, which athlete should get a cut. For example, if a #4 Bama jersey is sold today, should Yeldon get a percentage? What about Mark Baron who wore #4 before Yeldon? Issues like that are complications that could be solved by given every athlete a flat licensing fee for the use of their likeness, but I think such an arrangement would have Title IX implications.
 
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Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
mre said:
Yep. I don't agree that athletes should be able to profit directly off of their image or name while in college, because the system would be too ripe for abuse. However, if an athlete's likeness or name is used to sell a product, they should receive a percentage of the revenue upon their graduation or other type of permanent separation from college.

Of course, this brings up the issue where if a jersey is sold with a number on it but no name, which athlete should get a cut. For example, if a #4 Bama jersey is sold today, should Yeldon get a percentage? What about Mark Baron who wore #4 before Yeldon? Issues like that are complications that could be solved by given every athlete a flat licensing fee for the use of their likeness, but I think such an arrangement would have Title IX implications.
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Tyrone Prothro, perhaps.

To me, alot of the push back, comes from Title IX.
 
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andycapps

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mre said:
Yep. I don't agree that athletes should be able to profit directly off of their image or name while in college, because the system would be too ripe for abuse. However, if an athlete's likeness or name is used to sell a product, they should receive a percentage of the revenue upon their graduation or other type of permanent separation from college.

Of course, this brings up the issue where if a jersey is sold with a number on it but no name, which athlete should get a cut. For example, if a #4 Bama jersey is sold today, should Yeldon get a percentage? What about Mark Baron who wore #4 before Yeldon? Issues like that are complications that could be solved by given every athlete a flat licensing fee for the use of their likeness, but I think such an arrangement would have Title IX implications.
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Or what if they're using a number that corresponds with two players? Most teams have some numbers that overlap on offense and defense. Who's to say which athlete that person bought the jersey for? Do they both get money? But yeah, I think that something should be done about that and they should set that money aside in something like an IRA and give it to them once they're no longer an athlete at the school. As far as how long they should get money, I would say as long as they're using their image (in that Reggie Bush autograph) or something that is explicitly tied to them. If it's just a jersey number, you can't pay people for it that had it prior to the current year.

And when I say pay, I'm talking about setting that money aside. Maybe they could even take a certain percentage from that account to pay them on a yearly basis while they're in school, but have a minimum amount each athlete should receive (for the less popular players). This is future Div 4 talk right here, though.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Lonestar said:
Tyrone Prothro, perhaps.

To me, alot of the push back, comes from Title IX.
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Yep, or him.

Without going back and studying Title IX, I think a system where you compensate a player for money made off of their specific likeness will avoid the Title IX issue. But this brings up the problem I mentioned above. Of course, if we're ushering in a new age of enlightenment with the NCAA, then perhaps they can add the player's name to the jersey to remove the ambiguity, but that's just one example.
 
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Affeinvasion

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A number on a jersey does not equal likeness. Players don't own their jersey number.. A generic "same race" model wearing a jersey perhaps constitutes a likeness. The NCAA game could have gotten around the whole issue by just starting off with random players with random numbers that have similar grades to what you would expect on the field.
 
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andycapps

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An interesting article by ESPN's UGA site on recruiting, how much it costs yearly, how many people are involved in the process, etc. Brief quote below, rest is at the link.

ATHENS, Ga. -- Take a glimpse at the average college football program's annual budget and one of the biggest line items will almost assuredly be recruiting.

At the University of Georgia -- which, according to an ESPN.com story last year, ranks among the sport's biggest recruiting spenders -- that line item accounted for $600,000 of the football program's $14,069,837 budget in the 2011-12 academic year.

But where does that money go? The only more costly budget items -- coach compensation, stadium expenses for home games, team travel and opponent guarantees -- are straightforward expenses. Recruiting, however, is a more nebulous spending category, and yet few elements in the sport are any more important in building and maintaining a competitive program.

"The kids are your lifeblood. You have to recruit them," said Georgia executive associate athletic director Frank Crumley, who is in charge of financial operations for the UGA Athletic Association. "I think you've got a staff that's been here and they've refined how they do it so it's not just haphazard. It was Rodney [Garner, who served as Georgia's recruiting coordinator for 14 years until taking a job at Auburn late last year] really focusing on it, and now we've got D.J. [director of on-campus recruiting Daryl Jones], where that's his job and he can map out the 12 months."

And, make no mistake, recruiting has become a 12-month endeavor. The planning and budgeting needs of a major college football program have outgrown the old method of asking an assistant coach to serve as the coordinator of all things recruiting in addition to his on-field responsibilities.

Today, football recruiting staffs are expanding rapidly, and off-field staffers like Jones -- who signed on with Mark Richt's staff last May -- are beginning to helm most teams' recruiting enterprises...............
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Affeinvasion said:
A number on a jersey does not equal likeness. Players don't own their jersey number.. A generic "same race" model wearing a jersey perhaps constitutes a likeness. The NCAA game could have gotten around the whole issue by just starting off with random players with random numbers that have similar grades to what you would expect on the field.
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I was starting from the position that they've decided to compensate the players in some manner and were trying to think through some of the issues, not arguing whether it would legally satisfy the definition.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
andycapps said:
Are those popular with Bama players? UGA players love them because of parking on campus being a bitch.
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The weren't when I was there, even as a law student, but the population is exploding, and I have to imagine their popularity will increase in the future.

Parking already sucks on campus though, so I shudder to think what future students will have to deal with.

Now, they were EVERYWHERE at UF. Idiots all over the place on their scooters and no helmets, because Florida has no helmet law.
 
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Monroeski

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andycapps said:
Are those popular with Bama players? UGA players love them because of parking on campus being a bitch.
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There's been at least two scooter related incidents/injuries to Tech football players so I would guess there's a pretty decent population of them riding around that haven't been hit by a bus.
 
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andycapps

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mre said:
The weren't when I was there, even as a law student, but the population is exploding, and I have to imagine their popularity will increase in the future.

Parking already sucks on campus though, so I shudder to think what future students will have to deal with.

Now, they were EVERYWHERE at UF. Idiots all over the place on their scooters and no helmets, because Florida has no helmet law.
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Apparently there's a helmet law in GA, otherwise I'm sure the players wouldn't be wearing them since it's hot out. But yeah, I think they do it because I would guess they can park their scooters all together at Butts Mehre facility when they're practicing or have meetings. It's got to be hilarious seeing a 6'5" 350 lb offensive lineman on a scooter.

Monroeski said:
There's been at least two scooter related incidents/injuries to Tech football players so I would guess there's a pretty decent population of them riding around that haven't been hit by a bus.
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Yeah, UGA DE Ray Drew got in an accident after he left church a couple years ago. Funny thing is that the kid is an ordained minister.

I don't want to post more UGA stuff because I'm sure people get tired of it, but it's the team I follow the most so I keep up to date on it... Bulldawg Illustrated interviewed true freshmen RB's Brendon Douglas (a white RB not named Lester at an SEC school!) and JJ Green. Both were recruited heavily by GA Tech, and Douglas was going to sign with them until he got an offer from UGA. Both of them said that they didn't want to play in the triple option, and JJ Green talked about how he was tired of it in highschool and wanted to learn an NFL system. Some funny parts of the interview where they talked about Paul Johnson not being happy with their decision.

In non-UGA news, today Coach Boom indicated that Antonio Morrison's two-game suspension may be reduced. Some things never change. Go Gata.
 
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Schmitty

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while we are on the topic of lol look what the ncaa sells:

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since been taken down along with dvd from 05 orange bowl and signed tamba hali pictures
 
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Draxal

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Lonestar said:
Forgot all about this. Guess they finally said who the 4 were. I see one name (a JC TE). Seems like they're already off the team.

If we had actual Vandy fans here, they should have kept us informed.
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They were known forever. Vandenburg was the best juco te and a lot of teams were after him.
 
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Monroeski

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Monroeski said:
Appears to be a rumor running around that Michael Brewer missed some workout time over the Summer due to a slipped disc that still isn't quite right. May be giving true freshman Davis Webb a leg up in the QB battle.
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Quoting myself because it's no longer really a rumor. Announced that Brewer was held out of practice today due to back injury.
 
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timetokill

Banned
andycapps said:
The ironic thing is that they're profiting from sales of athletes after they're no longer in college and then they're not sharing that money then, as far as I know. The NCAA is such a horrible organization, they don't actually do anything. I'd be very interested to read their financial statements and see how much each person is being paid. I'd guess that the total amount of people employed has to be pretty low, considering they don't actually do much of anything.
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Also "ironic" is that the USC store doesn't sell Reggie Bush merchandise (or at least as far as I've seen anytime since). For somebody the NCAA vilified so hard it's "amusing" to see such unscrupulous behavior.
 
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Aesius

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They had a guy from the Nashville PD on one of the local sports talk radio shows today to talk about the Vandy case.

He strongly hinted that there are more arrests to come, either players or even staff/faculty/admin, and that the university wasn't fully cooperative in the investigation.

This is far from over, IMO.
 
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GoldenEye 007

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Aesius said:
They had a guy from the Nashville PD on one of the local sports talk radio shows today to talk about the Vandy case.

He strongly hinted that there are more arrests to come, either players or even staff/faculty/admin, and that the university wasn't fully cooperative in the investigation.

This is far from over, IMO.
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They're not that stupid, are they? Not as an Ivy League.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Aesius said:
They had a guy from the Nashville PD on one of the local sports talk radio shows today to talk about the Vandy case.

He strongly hinted that there are more arrests to come, either players or even staff/faculty/admin, and that the university wasn't fully cooperative in the investigation.

This is far from over, IMO.
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PSU south.
 
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mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
Someone on another board calculated that this would be something like 140 Fulmer Cup points for Vandy, smashing Auburn's record of 80.
 
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GodfatherX

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so does anybody think Mark Stoops is legitimately getting a top 5 recruiting class at UK without breaking virtually every recruiting violation possible?
 
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truly101

I got grudge sucked!
Lonestar said:
Forgot all about this. Guess they finally said who the 4 were. I see one name (a JC TE). Seems like they're already off the team.

If we had actual Vandy fans here, they should have kept us informed.
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Do we have vandy fans? I know there is a northwestern fan that posts here.
 
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