BertramCooper
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That, and bubble butts.
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College Football Offseason: FEAR THE TREE (and other non-threatening PC mascots)
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That, and bubble butts.
Schmitty
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Saw the title "American Football OT" and closed out before hearing about superior Yurop Football.
ITS JUST FOOTBALL DAMMIT, NOT AMERICAN FOOTBALL -- THIS IS AN AMERICAN BOARD!!
(I think)
Sirpopopop
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You suck Bert Cooper!
Go back to your office! OH WAIT! YOU DON'T HAVE ONE BECAUSE YOU ARE A USELESS FOSSIL!
Go back to your office! OH WAIT! YOU DON'T HAVE ONE BECAUSE YOU ARE A USELESS FOSSIL!
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BertramCooper
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yellowjacket25
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I don't think ESPN is all that concerned with what UGA needs or doesn't need. They will choose the best lineup of games relative to the product they have to work with. If they want UGA/Clemson on Labor Day then they will more than likely get it. You may think that having all of the good games on TV on Saturday night and one bad game on TV on Monday is a good ratings strategy but ESPN probably disagrees.
I see the BIG going two ways ND/BC (little brother begging to be tagged along with big brother) or UVA/UNC, and in order for either way for it to happen the ACC has to be demolished for for both ND and UNC, as they're both not leaving otherwise.
I always saw Georgia Tech as a red herring, they would be so geographically isolated in the BIG, and after seeing what happened to BC in the ACC, I doubt that there is any desire for Georgia Tech to be in a similiar situation.
BertramCooper
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I think ND to the B1G is done forever, even if the ACC collapses.
I don't think Delany's ego could possibly endure any more Notre Dame begging.
UGA would have to agree to any change in scheduling. ESPN would have to sweeten the deal quite a bit, or the SEC would have to reschedule South Carolina the following week. ESPN can't force UGA to do anything, they signed the contract with Clemson for this game and scheduling is up to the two schools and the conference. The schools hold the power here because ESPN will want that game on their networks regardless.
In summary, the schools will schedule the game and then it's up to the networks to bid on who's covering what, and what channel it'd be on. ESPN would love to have a marquee game on Monday, but good luck getting Richt to agree with that unless they move the South Carolina game to later in the year, which is doubtful at this point.
That is very much a possilibity as ND could do the same deal with the Big 12, although I don't know why any fan/admin in the Big 12 would want that after the deal basically would have killed two conferences (the Big 10 didn't start the expansion picking this time, the ACC did by taking Notre Dame from the Big East, Delany responded to them with Rutgers/Maryland).
However, I still think Notre Dame is very much one of his end game stratagems. The five biggest markets that Notre Dame has are Chicago, Philadelphia, NY, Washington and LA. And well I doubt he poaches USC/UCLA, he'd have four of the five biggests markets that ND alum/fan support is. I think ND might crumble as Texas isn't as fond as of them as the Catholic heavy north east is.
yellowjacket25
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Sorry but there are few instances where the schools actually have any real power over ESPN. Can you name the last time that ESPN really pushed for a time slot for a game and was flat out denied by one of the participants? You left out one piece also which is the SEC. The SEC is currently in contract and network negotiations with ESPN. They aren't going to let one of there members screw up ESPN's scheduling plans because UGA wants an extra day or two of practice.
Schmitty
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Adding a school as far south as GT or UNC would just be stupid. Even UVA is stretching it.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, ESPN hasn't said anything on this.. The only thing that's happened is Dabo going out and saying maybe UGA and Clemson will play on that Monday. There's time slots on gamedays, which the networks usually get their way on, and changing the dates completely. This falls under the latter. At this point, it's just Dabo talking out of his ass about how he'd like more attention in getting the game on a Monday. They play South Carolina State the next week, so a short week doesn't affect them at all.
yellowjacket25
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True. ESPN may have completely different plans and they may choose to just have UGA/Clemson as the marquee Saturday Night game. I guess a part of me is just speaking from the experience of last year where GT had to actually drop an opponent from the schedule and rearrange several dates just so ESPN could schedule the Labor Day game they wanted. Apparently not many people from the team or Athletic Department really wanted the change but ESPN got their way anyways.
If Ohio State, Michigan, & Michigan State are going to play their rivalries every year regardless of conference composition I don't see how sticking them in the same pod would affect the competitive balance. They're already going to have those wins/losses on their schedule. All this means is they won't be playing each other in the conference title game. Which just happens to be one of the reasons a lot of people are talking about putting Michigan & Ohio State into the same division to begin with.
Pods would be something along the lines of:
A: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin (really like to play Wisconsin every year. They're a perfect rival for Nebraska)
B: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana
C: Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia
D: Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, UNC
With the rivalries between UM-MSU & OSU-UM it's just easier to put them in the same pod. If they're willing to lose the rivalry they could be moved elsewhere but I don't think that's likely. Obviously Pod B would be the deepest/best pod but if you can't separate Michigan & Ohio State their division/pod will almost certainly be the more consistent performer regardless of other pods composition.
The ESPN guys have already said that Gameday will be at the Clemson/UGA game, so I doubt that they'd have a Gameday event with the game not until 2 days later. You're right, it'll probably be their primetime game that day. Also, I'm not meaning to be rude, but UGA and GA Tech have different clout in the college football world. Hopefully that isn't taken the wrong way, but the two programs are at completely different places stature wise and in national perception.
Azwethinkweiz
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I might start listening to XM 91 on the way home from work now.
A lot more work will probably get done in the state of Alabama now.
yellowjacket25
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You are meaning to be rude and that's fine. You are a UGA fan so you don't really know any better. If you want to think that UGA is a king in the college football world and therefore can tell ESPN when and what time they want to play that's fine. Go on believing that. Don't forget that ESPN and Chick Fil A created a UGA/Boise St game out of the blue one year that really didn't benefit UGA at all. They will do what they are told to do just like everyone else.
You took it that I was being rude, and that's up to you, I was simply stating that UGA has more clout than GA Tech does. Nowhere did I say that UGA was a king of the CFB world. The Boise State and UGA game came at a time when UGA was at a different place program wise as well, but that game was on a Saturday as well. We're not talking about Nike here and having to use their shitty pro combat unis once every few years because you're contractually obligated to.
And before this gets misconstrued, I'm not saying we're king of the SEC. That's Bama right now, but UGA is certainly "back" to where we were accustomed to under the early years of Richt where we're winning or at least contending for the division yearly. Several years ago we finished 6-7 with an embarrassing bowl loss, so getting back to where we'd regressed from is what I mean.
Sirpopopop
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.I was making a joke about how Bert Cooper no longer has an office at SCDP.
Even Harry Crane has his own office!
The schedules (and by that, I mean the dates, not the time slots) are handled by the schools and conferences, and sometimes a stadium/bowl if it is a neutral site game. The networks have short notice authority on time slots. I highly doubt that ESPN can force a school to accept a date change without approval from the schools and conference.
yellowjacket25
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Just a pro tip for the future. If you start a sentence off by saying that you aren't being rude, you are probably being rude. ESPN convinced UGA to drop a series with Louisville that had been scheduled for 5 years and paid part of the cancellation fee. They also convinced Ole Miss and Boise St to reschedule their series for the same purpose. All because they felt like creating a Boise St/UGA matchup. Yet you seem to think that if ESPN had the gall to try and move the Clemson/UGA game by two days that UGA would throw their mighty weight around and show ESPN who is boss. Sorry, the world doesn't work like that.
yellowjacket25
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Of course they would have to get approval, what i'm saying is that they wouldn't have any trouble at all getting that approval even if one or both teams objected. The schools will do what ESPN wants in the end.
The key word you used there is that ESPN convinced UGA to do something and paid them a lot of money to do so. They can't make anybody do anything, it's up to the schools, ultimately. Times can be changed by networks, dates can't unless the school gives consent.
I said I wasn't meaning to be rude because I know you're a Tech fan, and it's in your nature to get upset easily whenever the state school is mentioned, so I was trying to head that off. Shouldn't have bothered.
yellowjacket25 said:
Both teams and the conferences would have to approve. ESPN can't just force anybody to play a game on a certain date as they were not part of the contract with the schools to begin with. They can offer money in exchange for seeing things their way, and if the school deems the money worth the inconvenience, then they'll budge.
yellowjacket25
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Yes, if your best attempt at avoiding conflict with a Tech fan is to tell them how meaningless they are and how great you are then you probably shouldn't have bothered. Frankly the opinion you guys have of yourselves still amazes me. As for ESPN, its coming down to semantics now. I never meant that ESPN can forcibly by law make UGA players show up at a certain place at a certain time. They will use what ever incentives or back room deals they can to create whatever matchup they want at whatever time. They have shown that many times. UGA is not above it and they have no more clout than anyone else when it comes to those negotiations.
Jesus Christ, what opinion do you think I have of UGA? You seem to be generalizing me in a way that I'm not sure I've earned.
yellowjacket25
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I was speaking in terms of UGA fans in general who usually seem to have a higher opinion of their team then is really warranted. You solidified that somewhat by speaking of how much clout you have in the college football world and how you will play on Saturday even if ESPN wants to move the game. However if I painted you with too broad of a brush I apologize.
We'll have to see what happens. I wouldn't even have a problem with it if it weren't for a conference game being 5 days later. If ESPN wants to move the game, it can happen, but I think there'd have to be some give and take going on for anybody to agree to it. That's all I'm saying.
Never said they have more clout than ESPN. I said we have more clout than GA Tech and that ESPN can't force schools to change their schedule. They can exchange money for agreeing to their wishes, and we'll see if that happens.
I really don't see why what I said was such a big deal.
BertramCooper
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I was making a joke about how Bert Cooper no longer has an office at SCDP.
Even Harry Crane has his own office!
Haha, I got that part of the joke. I just wasn't sure if I had legitimately offended you with my growing dislike of conference expansion.
Also, I plan on using "Futgers" frequently in the future.
Fair enough.
GoldenEye 007
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Great, season opener moved to a Thursday. Thanks, ESPN.
Fuckers.
Fuckers.
Ya, reason #291301238029180 I'm glad Ruggaz is now in the Big 10, no more thursday night games.
If only you were as big a deal as UGA, you could have convinced ESPN not to move your game.
:jnc
Something else that might effect this place more than no more Finebaum, seems like pretty much everyone that ran Roll Bama Roll (RBR), the Alabama SBNation blog, is leaving. It was pretty much 3 guys, and they're all gone.
That, plus no more Shutdown Fullback (I think), on top of the polygon makeover of SBNation is making me
That, plus no more Shutdown Fullback (I think), on top of the polygon makeover of SBNation is making me
Something else that might effect this place more than no more Finebaum, seems like pretty much everyone that ran Roll Bama Roll (RBR), the Alabama SBNation blog, is leaving. It was pretty much 3 guys, and they're all gone.
That, plus no more Shutdown Fullback (I think), on top of the polygon makeover of SBNation is making me
I think they announced they were leaving the same day as T Kyle King said he was leaving Dawgsports. SB Nation sites haven't been the same since the redesign, to me. I know it was done for mobile devices in mind, but I dislike it since I spend the majority of my time on there on my PC
at work
Schmitty
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What is the story behind the departuresSomething else that might effect this place more than no more Finebaum, seems like pretty much everyone that ran Roll Bama Roll (RBR), the Alabama SBNation blog, is leaving. It was pretty much 3 guys, and they're all gone.
That, plus no more Shutdown Fullback (I think), on top of the polygon makeover of SBNation is making me
bucknuticus
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We played a Thursday night game 2 years ago. Youre not out of the woods yet!
GoldenEye 007
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Actually just looks like UCF is being fucktard stupid asses and wanting people to "enjoy their holiday weekend." Fuckers! College kids don't go home for Labor Day! They get drunk as the new semester is starting! This new athletics administration isn't impressing me at all.
So as of now, sorry ESPN.
Schmitty
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Are there any stats on what schools play Thursday games and their average attendance on Sat vs. Thurs?
I could never see Saturday games working at Penn State because most of the alumni come from cities in the surrounding states and tailgating is a big part of the games.
We play on Thursday alot, I'll take a Thursday night gave over a shittastic noon kickoff anyday. People tailgate all day anyways. A lot of people come down for Thursday games from out of town. Games sellout regardless.
The acc in general gets a lot of Thursday games. They are ok, but being on the west coast it means I miss the start of the games usually.
bucknuticus
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Its the only one I can remember us playing and it was the opening game on Memorial Day weekend. Was kind of nice because class hadnt started yet, so was still a ton of tailgating. But I will still take a saturday game over it anyday.
Schmitty
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Interesting. I for one would not like going to a football game then having class the next day as a student.
they probably skip them
A 1pm start time should be the earliest on Saturday. Noon games really suck. I'm with you on Saturday though -- don't know if I would enjoy Thursday night games. Maybe the Big 10 has avoided them because of the cold weather issue that southern schools don't have, but then again Pitt plays on Thursdays all the time
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