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College Football Offseason: FEAR THE TREE (and other non-threatening PC mascots)
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perfectchaos007
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Y'all aren't using condoms frequently enough to prevent the spread of disease. At UT we have health services hand them out on campus like Bibles from the Gideon's.
Why don't we get rid of those pesky unprofitable womens programs? That would save some money. Oh and Title IX only applies to the NCAA right??
I don't think it's like that at all. For the smaller programs, college basketball actually drive revenue as the costs of running that program is so much smaller than football. The small schools don't make jack shit off tv rights and attendance as the big FBS schools do.
Only on campus once a month doesn't mean he's not in town the rest of the days, though. Since the interview was focused on academics he likely just meant he's on campus only once a month for classes.
I just can't imagine the coaches putting up with him not even being in town during prime strength and conditioning time while every one of his teammates is busting ass. Spring before and after football practice starts + the summer are the only real times where players are completely focused on strength and conditioning.
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From another article - Manziel said today while at the Fort Worth Club for the Davey O’Brien Award dinner that he’s only on campus – outside of the actual Bright football building – about once a month this semester.
yeah, they get the $500,000-$1 Million they get from the rent-a-wins, and fund anything they can't get on their own.
Yeah, it's just running those programs cost from 1.5 million to 3.0 million for a fcs school. I don't see them making a net positive on those, where it's much easier to do so for basketball.
It's also due to how the March Madness is run, tournament shares in that tournament is major major cash flow for the smaller schools (its also another reason why power conferences want to split off, to reduce the amount of tourney shares given to non power conferences).
BertramCooper
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Unless you're a Mount Union or a Wisconsin-Whitewater, I'm willing to bet your attendance is really, really shitty. Like high school-size crowds. Most small division football programs are probably money losers just like every other sport they field.
Let's get real here.
Almost all universities lose money on athletics. But at least with a lot of the larger schools, you can use your athletic program as a selling point to prospective students and as a means through which to target potential alumni donors. So perhaps the loss is somewhat justifiable.
But a lot of these smaller schools are probably better off scaling down their entire athletic programs, both men's and women's. It costs your university money and it's not really attracting any students to your campus.
In that case, yeah, he must really hate College Station. :jnc
I believe David Brandon said only 22 FBS schools are net positive, but yeah it's supported by alumni and out of state tuition (there's a big reason the BIG 10 wanted Maryland and NJ rich states with too many college eligible students to fill all the state colleges).
BertramCooper
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He's a Longhorn at heart
Can't really blame him, based on what I've heard.
My sister is finishing up her PhD and will be out of Aggie Land in May. She can't wait; she pretty much hates the place.
She'll be moving this summer to Lincoln to teach at Nebraska. It will probably be only slightly less boring, but at least the people will be nicer.
perfectchaos007
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aww you're no fun.
You're probably right that golf,water polo,rowing,tennis
,cross country and other low attendance low interest sports probably aren't cost effective when factoring in the price of running the program and the students/alumni donations having said sport brings in. But take away all of those filler sports and then you're only left with Football and basketball on the profitable side, and baseball/softball/volleyball on the not profitable but maybe cost effective side. I just can't imagine college athletics being that bare. I don't have a solution, but I will say that losing those aforementioned low interest sports will cause a lot of parents to keep their kids away from them taking up those sports. They'll want to make sure their kid has interest in the sports that are offered at colleges or universities. And that would suck for a lot of people, especially me since I'm considering becoming a tennis coach.
Let's not conflate two things.
Athletic programs are not profitable for most schools.
Universities are very profitable.
perfectchaos007
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They are? For some reason I just assumed they were non profit because we have Universities like The Art Institute and Devry actually labeled as "For Profit". I assumed real Universities, especially state schools, were not profitable. Silly naive me
Non-Profit just means that you reinvest any profit back into the entity instead of distributing it to shareholders or owners.
I can assure you that Northwestern University is doing pretty fucking well.
I did find the quote, it's him on sixty minutes.
Dave Brandon: The business model of big-time college athletics is primarily broken. It's, it's a horrible business model.
Armen Keteyian: Broken.
Dave Brandon: Broken. You've got 125 of these programs. Out of 125, 22 of them were cash flow even or cash flow positive. Now, thankfully, we're one of those. What that means is you've got a model that's not sustainable in most cases. You just don't have enough revenues to support the costs. And the costs continue to go up.
They're aren't for a good number of FBS schools aka non BIG/SEC/PAC schools. It's pretty much the only reason Maryland decided to join the Big Ten as even with UnderArmor basically bankrolling them they still had to cut sports. It's also why FSU is hedging against the ACC, it can't win against Florida in a spending battle. Although some of this comes down to accounting and if stadium upgrades count against the AD budget or not.
Northwestern is a BIG school so it gets that amazing BIG tv contract and correct me if I am wrong it also has the smallest amount of scholarship sports in the Big 10. But I digress, if you're not a BIG 10, SEC or Pac 12 school you're not fine at this moment unless you are one of those outliers (Bevo and associated schools, ND).
? Where did I contradict this? I said most schools lose money through athletics. Universities themselves as a whole are in the black.
The Big Ten TV contract is a drop in the bucket for our financials. Rolling in alumni donations (probably the only time I'll hold a $1 million check). Rolling in tuition (private school, so we're charging 47k/head). Rolling in that Pfizer cash ($700 million for Lyrica).
Just plain rolling.
Oh now I get it, you just misintrepreted what I meant to type (that most ads are in the whole instead of most universities). My bad, and yeah NW and all the privates (C7) are in good shape due to all that inflated tuition cost.
Sirpopopop
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Draxal - Talon didn't go to Northwestern.
He went to Iowa.
He went to Iowa.
For some reason I always though he went to Georgia Tech, I blame NFLGAF for it.
Anyway Prince is hired, first good Rutgers news since the Big 10 announcement, and let's face it our basketball teams are not worth watching this year.
Goddddddddd damnnnnnnnn ittttttttttttttt, pop.
At least nobody's called me a Gata yet.
so...do we get to have the weekly threads during the season in OT?
We will until I get banned for trying.
Apparently there is a clause in Kingsbury's contract that grants him "creative license in the design of the football team's equipment and team uniforms."
...So we got THAT going for us. I'm hoping for mandatory visors on every player's helmet in the shape of frogskins.
...So we got THAT going for us. I'm hoping for mandatory visors on every player's helmet in the shape of frogskins.
Gross, dude.
True, we all know you're a yellowjacket.
GoldenEye 007
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So looks like Florida Atlantic is a little desperate for money. Just sold stadium naming rights to a for-profit prison company. Apparently one of the owners or executives for the company is an alumni of FAU.
FAU Jailhouse
FAU Jailhouse
It's ok, we all know you're an undercover Gata.
The private prison "industy" sickens me. My wife's grandparents were stockholders in one of these companies, and they were wined and dined at the annual stockholders meeting... Meanwhile, these companies lobby for stricter sentencing guidelines so they can make higher profits.
I dunno, it just seems to me that it creates a conflict of interest when private industry has a profit motive in imprisoning human beings.
Maybe that's just me.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah that's why I posted it like that. Very nefarious industry.
Wasn't there a story a few months ago where school kids in Alabama I want to say were imprisoned over minor school violations and it was one of these companies prisons the kids were going to? Had school administration and judges going right for it.
Not sure. I know I've heard some horror stories in the librul media.
At least having a stadium named after a private prison company will make it easier to protest them with visibility.
BertramCooper
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Ruh roh, here we go again.
Maryland 247 site reporting North Carolina has Big Ten offer, Virginia on deck?
Maryland 247 site reporting North Carolina has Big Ten offer, Virginia on deck?
Land Grant Holy Land said:
As an MSU alumni with a slightly more than passing interest in CFB (but not knowledgeable enough to keep up with this thread), and a whole ton of sports writers I knew in college in my Twitter feed, I figured I'd mention that there's a rumor floating around right now that UNC and Virginia have been approached by the Big Ten.
Take as you will (it's Twitter, after all).
And beaten.
Take as you will (it's Twitter, after all).
And beaten.
With Georgia State making the move to FBS, Georgia (still only) has 3 FBS teams. One would think that Georgia Southern would make the transition soon as well. I'm wondering why they haven't already, unless they're just not interested in doing so.
BertramCooper
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You both owe me $9.95.
I can't post links to links to links any faster without being compensated for my efforts.
Yes.
Maybe it's because there are no conferences to go to. What is the regional FBS conference down there .. the Sun Belt?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-card-nippert-stadium-plans-to-acc-presidents
The Cinci president sent cards with the Nippert upgrade to all the ACC presidents.
BertramCooper
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That's so adorable.
Or the zombie C-USA
chaosblade
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I thought I heard Georgia Southern was trying to get into the Sun Belt? During their game with Old Dominion the commentators were talking about how both programs were looking at moving to FBS.
Why in God's name were you watching this game?
chaosblade
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BertramCooper
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Well, if Delany does manage to snag UNC and UVA, hopefully it will placate the whiny Maryland fans who have been complaining about losing their imaginary rivalries with imaginary rivals like UNC.
bucknuticus
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We'll play them and use our dumb wood turtle we use in our Illinois *rivalry* as the trophy.
BertramCooper
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I approve of this.
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