Tyrant Rave
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Multiversity was so, so good. The wait between issues is going to be really hard.
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COMICS! |OT| August 2014. Infinite universes, or just fifty-two? Thanos.
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There is always here to discuss, but Multiversity Comics has Wicked Intervention:
http://multiversitycomics.com/columns/wicked-intervention-the-wicked-the-divine-1/
http://multiversitycomics.com/columns/wicked-intervention-the-wicked-the-divine-2/
Very detailed and obsessive breakdowns. Third installment should be out soon.
GrandHarrier
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Finally sat down to read Multiversity.
Ugh.
My eyes just sort of glazed over the first two thirds of the book.
was pretty cool. Otherwise...
Ugh.
My eyes just sort of glazed over the first two thirds of the book.
The Earth 8 stuff
Freezasaurus
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You, sir, are in the minority. Most people seem to really dig it.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Holy fucking shit New Avengers was so so good! That ending! Argh, this book is monthly too right?? More!! It's been a good long time since an issue blew the top of my skull off like that. Wowza.
krypt0nian
Banned
GrandHarrier
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That's cool. I wasn't comparing my personal experience with it to everyone else.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
If you were expecting Harrier to dig this then you've been reading the wrong thread man. Just like if I were to read a legion book written by Paul Levitz. Tbh I'm surprised he bought it and that ain't even a dig. I've not read lots of posts so I'm betting Messi didn't dig it either?
KoruptData
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And Jack Kirby. Not one of those books in my post would be possible without his mind.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
I don't think Messi bought it
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
And that's fine, brah knows himself. It's Harrier undergoing an identity crisis today
"Who am I? Would I like this? No. Ok, next"I know enough about what I like to know I wouldn't enjoy it, so I didn't buy it.
GrandHarrier
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I went into this with the personal assumption that I'd have a 50/50 chance of enjoying it, because on paper, the concept intrigues me. One of the aspects of Morrison that I totally agree with, is the pure and simple joy of loving comics and how they are the modern myths of our society.
I also think this book is great for people who really want to dig into the minutia and try and pick apart Morrison's thought processes and intentions; i.e. why did he choose this character, to do this thing, on this panel. It's going to be great for that sort of thing.
But for me, it was incoherent. It was like the end of his Action Comics run, as opposed to his Batman and Robin.
That said, I still intend to check out at least the first of the one shots that will come out, because I think those individual stories will appeal to me.
I really like these. Wicked and the Divine is special.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Low is kind of a hard read but give it some time and try and soak in everything. It's really great and has a lot of promise for the future.
The Wicked and the Divine is good too. Haven't read the others
Spoiler alert: [SPOILERs]they are.[/SPOILER]
e: oh, I didn't see Outcast in there, which I haven't read.
Shin Johnpv
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I wouldn't even say it was weird, or that I glazed over most of the book, I just felt a lot of been there done that to it. I thought
Harbinger as a computer AI was pretty cool.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
Multiversity is basically #3 of That 3d superman book.
Shin Johnpv
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I don't know if it was as incoherent as the end of his Action run, but it felt just as convoluted to me.
Yeah, cheers for that - I have seen the Multiversity breakdowns which are truly excellent. Very excited for the new one.
I'm wondering, do you think that the 'whodunnit' will be solved in this arc (i.e. first 6 issues)? And who is your instinct at the moment?
The last issue did a good job of trying to disprove pretty much any option. Is there a bluff in there, Amaterasu or Laura could be potential twists. Maybe even someone we know, but not as a God (one of Laura's family? Cassandra?).
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
It's funny, rather than incoherent I thought it was a bit too straightforward. Lots of pages wasted on predictable punchy punchy when they could have been exploring the multiverse more. Like, I got the Marvel thing on the first page, move on already.
I think it also suffered in comparison to New Avengers where Hickman basically did the same trick but upped the ante several notches.
But I did enjoy it still, despite my criticisms. Was pretty fun, and the one shots are going to rock so hard.
Yeah. Then we stand around with our jaws on the ground while waiting for the next arc to start.
Cassandra would be a good one. Laura would be a big twist, interesting.
I'm not sure at this point if their whole rundown was red herring or what. Like, I don't think we can take Luci at her word, I don't think she knows everything.
I'm not sure at this point if their whole rundown was red herring or what. Like, I don't think we can take Luci at her word, I don't think she knows everything.
Hickman's Avengers stuff has been totally off my radar just because I feel pretty meh about the Avengers, but after reading all the posts about it today and yesterday, I definitely think I'll pick up the collected edition(s) when it wraps up.
Also, regarding Arkham Asylum, it's pretty funny to me that Arkham Asylum was probably Morrison's biggest commercial success even though most of us tend to agree that it's his least coherent and approachable book. Maybe it's just the selling power of Batman coupled with the fact that the movies were coming out at the same time as Arkham Asylum, but it's crazy to me that such a complex and difficult book could sell so incredibly well.
You know, maybe that's where the misconception that Morrison's work is totally incoherent and convoluted came from. Everyone and their mother bought Arkham Asylum and then decided that Morrison wasn't for them.
Also, regarding Arkham Asylum, it's pretty funny to me that Arkham Asylum was probably Morrison's biggest commercial success even though most of us tend to agree that it's his least coherent and approachable book. Maybe it's just the selling power of Batman coupled with the fact that the movies were coming out at the same time as Arkham Asylum, but it's crazy to me that such a complex and difficult book could sell so incredibly well.
You know, maybe that's where the misconception that Morrison's work is totally incoherent and convoluted came from. Everyone and their mother bought Arkham Asylum and then decided that Morrison wasn't for them.
Shin Johnpv
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Man who ever said this months Supergirl was a waste was spot on. It added NOTHING to the Doomed storyline, and nothing to Supergirl her self.
After how fast shit happened with last weeks 3 Doomed issues, and the story ending in the next Doomed installment I would have thought SOMETHING would have happened.
After how fast shit happened with last weeks 3 Doomed issues, and the story ending in the next Doomed installment I would have thought SOMETHING would have happened.
Shin Johnpv
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I'm going to disagree with this, at least in the sense of when the book game out. It's not like his popularity waned after this, if anything AA was the first stepping stone to him becoming popular. Personally I would put it closer to Batman R.I.P, and Final Crisis when people really started saying he was incoherent, convoluted and not for them.
I remember back in the day AA was really well regarded, and most people I knew liked it.
ThyMusicMan
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That was me lol. Glad its not just me who thinks this
Yeah, i'm sure it will be like that.
I obviously agree the rundown is far from fact. Luci doesn't seem too confident on a lot of issues, and the self-aware points like "Genre tropes dictate it was probably her" on Amaterasu just confuse things even more. Is that a double-bluff? Probably not.
Laura would certainly be a big twist, but thinking about it, it would probably be too much of stretch for it to be her. With us being with her alone plenty of times, even just in the first issue with her getting ready, and talking about wanting to be one of them. Unless there is some aspect of a dual-personality, a God 'hidden inside' going on. Which I suppose could be realistic, I mean, when we see Luci becoming Luci, the personality behind it does seem to leave room open for that. Luci greets Ananke as if she knew her, yet still remembers her life from before???
Laura would certainly be a big twist, but thinking about it, it would probably be too much of stretch for it to be her. With us being with her alone plenty of times, even just in the first issue with her getting ready, and talking about wanting to be one of them. Unless there is some aspect of a dual-personality, a God 'hidden inside' going on. Which I suppose could be realistic, I mean, when we see Luci becoming Luci, the personality behind it does seem to leave room open for that. Luci greets Ananke as if she knew her, yet still remembers her life from before???
Ah, very interesting. Thanks for that info.
I've only been a comics reader for a year now, so I wasn't really aware of when that opinion of Morrison started to develop. It's nice to hear what the actual consensus was when Arkham Asylum came out.
Did/do people find Batman R.I.P. incoherent/convoluted? I thought it was a pretty straightforward story.
I can definitely see Final Crisis causing the widespread opinion that Morrison is incoherent/convoluted though. A high-profile, important DC event that probably a lot of people picked up, and it is one of Morrison's more complex/chaotic books.
They gotta do a lot of earning
for it to be Laura. Something like she wanted to be a god so bad she'd somehow betray one. I don't know how I'd like that, tho.
Like you said, the self awareness just says to me I shouldn't even try to figure it out at this point, cuz I have no idea. A magic trick where I know I'm being misdirected but I have no idea where and when.
Did you mean that you jumped from the Thanos Imperative?
If you are trying to read recent Marvel Cosmic stuff, you should be going back and reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run before you get into anything to do with Infinity. Black Bolt/The Inhumans, Ronan, the Annihilation wave/Negative zone, and other cosmic story threads are picked up in that run.
Is it though, is it really...
He, along with Star Lord, returned without any explanation during Bendis' run on Avengers and it's taken him 3+ years to make up what's probably going to be a terrible, character-assassinating reason as to how it happened.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Little Nemo Return to Slumberland was about as good and bad as I thought it was gonna be. Its a monthly periodical and it has a plot now, which is uh hmm. There's this bland inciting incident about Nemo being this wizard of Oz type dude chosen by Slumberland to be the princess' playmate, but its just like...whatever bro this is suppose to be a strip where a kid has crazy dreams and then falls to the ground.
Now, when they actually start doing the Winsor McCay thing, its wonderful, they totally get it. But then the issue is over and they aint got shit to show for it. You can't do a narrative and have no progression! You gotta choose one or the other mothafucka, one or the other
Now, when they actually start doing the Winsor McCay thing, its wonderful, they totally get it. But then the issue is over and they aint got shit to show for it. You can't do a narrative and have no progression! You gotta choose one or the other mothafucka, one or the other
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Bendis has even managed to spell his name wrong in next week's GotG going by the previewRichie
Agreed.
I had a quick re-read of #1 with "Laura did it" in mind - and to be honest, it could work. You could certainly read quite a bit into the gig, with the eye contact, "I want everything you have" (which is also the back page quote), and then immediately fainting - and waking up to "aren't you the oh-so special one" etc... (A side point here, which I highly doubt is relevant, but when getting ready there is no glitter on her shoulders, the first scene of her at the gig has no glitter on her shoulders, and then just as she is about to faint she has this glitter on her body [none seemingly on anyone else, or her clothes], and also has it when she wakes up. As I say, almost not worth mentioning and probably a quirk of the drawing process. Not even a quirk really, probably a normal way to show her progressing through the gig).
Then right at the end, after the judge goes boom... EVERYONE in the room, including Luci seems to flinch, except for Laura who is shocked. A look that could definitely be 'WTF did I just do?!?!". Then the narration from Laura - "I knew it before she said anything". (Luci: That wasn't me). "Of course it wasn't". "But apart from me, who was going to believe her".
That narration at the end especially seems to leave open the possibility. It's far from proof, or incriminating, but it could really be open to an interpretation that Laura knew it wasn't Luci, and she was the only one who knew, because it was herself.
I'm definitely reading into this a bit much. I'm also not sure exactly how it could be Laura, or whether I would want it to be her (she's the narrator, our eyes, she can't really be the bad guy at the end of the first arc, right?). BUT I might as well stick the theory out there.
Then right at the end, after the judge goes boom... EVERYONE in the room, including Luci seems to flinch, except for Laura who is shocked. A look that could definitely be 'WTF did I just do?!?!". Then the narration from Laura - "I knew it before she said anything". (Luci: That wasn't me). "Of course it wasn't". "But apart from me, who was going to believe her".
That narration at the end especially seems to leave open the possibility. It's far from proof, or incriminating, but it could really be open to an interpretation that Laura knew it wasn't Luci, and she was the only one who knew, because it was herself.
I'm definitely reading into this a bit much. I'm also not sure exactly how it could be Laura, or whether I would want it to be her (she's the narrator, our eyes, she can't really be the bad guy at the end of the first arc, right?). BUT I might as well stick the theory out there.
The book! The book!
Damn.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Main thing going against Arkham Aslyum for me is I'm just totally done with the "Is Batman just as craaaazy as his rogues!?"
generally, no he's not. So we answered that, no need for further exploitation.
generally, no he's not. So we answered that, no need for further exploitation.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Finally caught up with Uncanny Avengers.
Fuck yeah Sunfire!
Fuck yeah Sunfire!
Bendis has even managed to spell his name wrong in next week's GotG going by the preview
Lol really?
What the fuck do Marvel have against that character?
The Silver
Member
Yeah i meant Thanos Imperative.
Fantastic Four? man that's dumb why would all that stuff be in there, making this stuff way more complicated than it needs to be.
I'm already finished with Infinity though, too late for that i guess.
I should re-read it soon. I remember being pretty confused at what was happening, mostly because the art was too abstract for me to tell what was going on, but also because--as I realized after reading the script at the back of the TPB--I skipped some pages accidentally because the paper used in that TPB is the thinnest paper on earth.
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