BKatastrophe
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Fuck I forgot I'm pulling A-Force
Jay Garrick is second best Flash
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COMICS! |OT| August 2016. That's Rare Groove. Volume is Crucial.
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Elnarez coming in here like a great detective explaining the plot got me rolling
Barry is the fourth.
echoshifting
Banned
Daredevil Annual #1
-1/10. Fucking comics
-1/10. Fucking comics
whatsinaname
Member
lol. Is it still Soule on Daredevil?
Is Soule another Robert Venditti where his work is great on one company and bad on another? A lot of his DC stuff is really good but I haven't heard much positivity for his Marvel work.
I love the whole Flash family. Well, not too familiar with Bart really, but the rest.
I love the whole Flash family. Well, not too familiar with Bart really, but the rest.
echoshifting
Banned
Yeah he "wrote" the main story and tbf he should be embarrassed
And yeah he's still on the main book but lately it's been decent to good
I'm starting to think that Barry just sucks compared to Wally and that's why Flash has been meh since he came back outside of Flashpoint.
I don't read the book, but apparently it picked up after the first arc.
An advantage of these being bi-monthly is that I also have #3 on my desk right now. If you need more explanations, I can provide, just ask.
echoshifting
Banned
That's seriously going to go down as one of the worst comics I have ever read
ViewtifulJC
Banned
when exactly did that All-Star Superman esque explosion take place? Were those all the soldiers killed in the opening pages? Cuz if so, that doesnt seem like its Gotham's fault. And if is, where are the firefighters that were standing on the building as well? And if its not, if its just some totally random occurrence separate from the other group of dead soldiers, why wasn't that followed up on in any way? Why was one group of dead soldiers more relevant than another? Just for a comic nerd reference and checking the box on another explosion?
That is how DD pulls you in. Shows you nice art with the best pages being in the preview.
damn he didn't write the book.
echoshifting
Banned
Even the art was shit
They try to do this Samnee thing with Echo's powers and it just. fucking. sucks.
whatsinaname
Member
DD comics in 2016
:/ DD seems to have the most number of well regarded runs, with the latest one being as recent as August last year. Might be a bit soon to write-off DD forever.
WadiumArcadium
Member
His Star Wars work's been good. Doesn't sound like the rest is.
damnnnn. that sucks. Dislike Seeing my favorite characters have bad issues.
Love DD, so if the series gets good I don't mind jumping in with a new arc. I think people are just let down after the iconic and amazing runs by everyone else.
whatsinaname
Member
Wasn't there some webcomic floating around making fun of DC editorial interference with Cyborg? Was that about David Walker or some other writer?
Uncanny Inhumans isn't bad.
echoshifting
Banned
Okay, I'll bite
Why is Gotham Girl never a suspect?
Why does Batman leave an unstable Superman-level character recently exposed to mind-controlling influences alone with Duke and Alfred, unrestrained, in the Batcave?
How did Huge Strange and Psycho-Pirate escape Task Force X, despite the heavy safeguards that are always in place in Task Force X to prevent this exact scenario from occurring?
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
But weren't their parents killed AGES ago, isn't that why they went into the program/army and got powers?
Like echo has stated, so many plotholes
echoshifting
Banned
This wasn't high on my list of complaints but yeah I don't really get it either.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I'm so confused
i don't really have a worst comics ever read section, but i also don't read a ton of comics to have things stand out. If it's bad, it just gracefully slides into the pool of disappointment alongside Age of Ultron and Civil War tie-in issues.
echoshifting
Banned
It does not make any sense at all - AT ALL - for the
28th soldier to have killed Gotham's parents
His Cyborg run wasn't very good imo. I really read if for the Ivan Reis art.
echoshifting
Banned
Oooookay I just re-read the last few pages and went back to #3 and the part in question finally makes sense. So,
Still a lot of plot holes (listed above) and the writing could be a lot clearer.
edit: Wait, so
The timing of a LOT of things in this issue really does not make sense.
the 28th soldier does kill his parents. THAT'S where he is. They didn't die a long time ago, they are alive as of the beginning of #4. He doesn't just hang around. And Batman knew where to go to find them because he looked into them and knows where they live. Okay.
Still a lot of plot holes (listed above) and the writing could be a lot clearer.
edit: Wait, so
Gotham somehow didn't kill the 28th man even though he is a Superman-level character. How on earth did the guy get a picture of him without him knowing? This is still pretty shaky to me, seems like the soldier successfully carried out his mad plan for revenge REALLY quickly.
I don't know...
Lydia is hard to figure out, but I suppose not getting raped anymore which Alpha allowed (because you know, if ya get raped, you're not strong enough!) seems like a good trade off. On the other hand somewhere I just know Lydia just seduced Carl to get him on her side. I totally expect a cliffhanger moment between her and Beta with the latter telling her that Negan killed Alpha.
I expect a post "Can we trust Negan?" storyline where Maggie and Lydia might plot something against him. That's my gutfeeling.
About Magna... seems like a good theory. But I dunno, I feel Kirkman finally gave them some time again because after their introduction they weren't used that well. Btw, wasn't one of Magna's group head chopped off and placed on a post by the Whispers? Could be a ruse. But that would be really extreme.
I expect a post "Can we trust Negan?" storyline where Maggie and Lydia might plot something against him. That's my gutfeeling.
About Magna... seems like a good theory. But I dunno, I feel Kirkman finally gave them some time again because after their introduction they weren't used that well. Btw, wasn't one of Magna's group head chopped off and placed on a post by the Whispers? Could be a ruse. But that would be really extreme.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
think i'll re-read it when the arc is finished
The events happen in order. Gonna run the timeline from the end of #3, glossing over some stuff.
-The Gothams and Batman save people after a suicide bomber takes out a bridge
-A second explosion occurs. The Gothams go check on it.
-There, they get ambushed by Hugo Strange, Psycho Pirate and a whole bunch of soldiers
-#3 ends
-Psycho Pirate does his thing, messes with the Gothams' minds. Gotham dude kills 27 soldiers, writes his name in blood on the walls, and bails
-(we'll take the time here to note the symbolism of that number)
-A 28th soldier plays dead, takes a picture of Gotham boi and identifies him as Hank Clover.
-#4 opens, Batman is at the scene with all the dead bodies and Gotham girl in a catatonic state. She is taken to the Batcave, while Batman heads out to investigate
-Meanwhile, in a fragile mental state, Gotham hunk tries his hand at doing the All-Star Superman thing with a third suicide bomber. (which he finds because, well, there's a bunch of cops and firemen at the site)
-(we'll take the time here to note that the words he uses are the exact same Batman used in #3 in the flashback, after saving Gotham child and his parents from a mugger in an alley)
-This fails, because those things are connected, and his mental state worsens
-He returns to the bridge to try and fix it. Here, he's confronted by Batman. Here, he learns of the soldier that was playing dead.
-Batman connects the thing to Task Force X and confronts Waller about it.
-Meanwhile, Soldier 28 brings the payload of vengeance to the control point of Gotham bro's parents, and kills them
-Then Gotham synonym for man finds him
-Then Batman finds them
-And then Gotham guy flies off
-A second explosion occurs. The Gothams go check on it.
-There, they get ambushed by Hugo Strange, Psycho Pirate and a whole bunch of soldiers
-#3 ends
-Psycho Pirate does his thing, messes with the Gothams' minds. Gotham dude kills 27 soldiers, writes his name in blood on the walls, and bails
-(we'll take the time here to note the symbolism of that number)
-A 28th soldier plays dead, takes a picture of Gotham boi and identifies him as Hank Clover.
-#4 opens, Batman is at the scene with all the dead bodies and Gotham girl in a catatonic state. She is taken to the Batcave, while Batman heads out to investigate
-Meanwhile, in a fragile mental state, Gotham hunk tries his hand at doing the All-Star Superman thing with a third suicide bomber. (which he finds because, well, there's a bunch of cops and firemen at the site)
-(we'll take the time here to note that the words he uses are the exact same Batman used in #3 in the flashback, after saving Gotham child and his parents from a mugger in an alley)
-This fails, because those things are connected, and his mental state worsens
-He returns to the bridge to try and fix it. Here, he's confronted by Batman. Here, he learns of the soldier that was playing dead.
-Batman connects the thing to Task Force X and confronts Waller about it.
-Meanwhile, Soldier 28 brings the payload of vengeance to the control point of Gotham bro's parents, and kills them
-Then Gotham synonym for man finds him
-Then Batman finds them
-And then Gotham guy flies off
BONUS ROUND OF ANSWERS:
-Gotham Girl isn't a suspect because of the earlier mentioned catatonic state. That she willingly accepts to be taken to the cave and the care of Alfred and Duke is another reason to not treat her as dangerous.
-Hugo Strange and Psycho Pirate didn't escape Task Force X until the end of #3. From the text: "Strange betrayed his mission, used the Pirate to drive your new little superfriends crazy. Used them to kill the guards I sent to prevent such a betrayal."
-Gotham Person doesn't have "instantly find someone" powers. That's a Batman thing.
-FINALLY, the reason 28 kills the Clovers is because he thinks the super-powered guy who tore through 27 of his colleagues is "a monster". Go figure, right?
-Hugo Strange and Psycho Pirate didn't escape Task Force X until the end of #3. From the text: "Strange betrayed his mission, used the Pirate to drive your new little superfriends crazy. Used them to kill the guards I sent to prevent such a betrayal."
-Gotham Person doesn't have "instantly find someone" powers. That's a Batman thing.
-FINALLY, the reason 28 kills the Clovers is because he thinks the super-powered guy who tore through 27 of his colleagues is "a monster". Go figure, right?
suicide bomber, connected to the others because he also says "the monster men are coming"
I CAN GO ON, COME AT ME
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I like there's a Psycho Pirate so they can excuse any stupid character motivation for this sloppy story. "He was crazy!" Gotham's
because we needed yet another allusion to Gotham being like Batma-durr I mean the soldier was out of mind cuz psycho pirate!
parents died
echoshifting
Banned
eh, a lot of that seems pretty damn shaky still man, but I don't care enough to keep arguing about it. If I change my mind later, it's Psycho-Pirate, pls send help
I will say, I think JC was right earlier in that one of the chief problems in the book is the extremely obtuse manner in which Batman
I'd like to see you explain that one away
I will say, I think JC was right earlier in that one of the chief problems in the book is the extremely obtuse manner in which Batman
links all this to Task Force X. Why do the dog tags add up like that? How is that even possible? Is Amanda Waller actually the Riddler? One of the soldiers is even MISSING so how does that fucking work?? And what about that Black Dynamitesque detective work this leads to?
I'd like to see you explain that one away
whatsinaname
Member
I want to see this deduction now.
Edit: Someone posted the excerpt on reddit! I see what you guys mean...
Wow I thought he ran because he was upset that he killed people and disappointed Batman.
The serial numbers on each individual dog tag add up to 24, it's not all the dog tags together. That's how he knows they're all part of the same unit. And, through his access and knowledge of army backchannels, he links that to Task Force X.
You know how I got my tag, right? I'm all about shutting that shit down. Come at me.
RepairmanJack
Member
This.....helps.
Though saying
Gothan doesn't have "find someone powers", just clicked in my head that he said he sees everything when Batman disappeared in #2. He could have been just watching over his parents extra close and saw them die and only Batman thinks he put the two together?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
the serial numbers on the dog tags themselves all up to 24. Apparently Waller was like "ah yes, 24 like the 24th letter in the alphabet, which is the letter X, which is us! Make sure all are super secret guards have this so somebody can trace this back to us on some scooby doo shit, General Lane"
HORY SHIT. that is how you got your tag :O
BRUH. few people get tags for actually owning people. so kudos
go to sleep, you are overthinking it. Batman needs no explanations for why he is the best.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
It is. Unnecessarily so.
ovethinking fictional details can lead one down a big rabbit hole.
RepairmanJack
Member
Honestly the first time I read through it I was so caught up in the suspense of it I didn't even think too hard about it. It's afterward I thought back at how it all added up and was confused and thought some stuff was dumb, like above with the numbers.
echoshifting
Banned
I mean you know that's actually not possible, right? Does she just only pick out soldiers for Task Force X if their serial number adds up to 24? But let's just assume she can make them new dog tags or whatever. Why? Why would she do that? Seriously, is she the Riddler?