Except that commission. That shit was trash.
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COMICS!!! |OT| December 2016. Motor Girl is my new Motor Crush
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Except that commission. That shit was trash.
echoshifting
Banned
Seriously...I said this when I posted my own list but I could swear the Wednesday between Christmas and New Year's is usually pretty quiet. But it seems like I'm pulling about as much as I usually do.
whatsinaname
Member
No real interesting HCs/omnibuses coming out this week.
Sandman Mystery Theatre tpb v2 is out though. Everyone should get that.
Sandman Mystery Theatre tpb v2 is out though. Everyone should get that.
echoshifting
Banned
Sandman Mystery Theatre, oh that takes me back. Such an incredible book.
The horror, the horror...
ViewtifulJC
Banned
We'll make a real January Comics OT and then a "floppies readers |OT| IN 2017"
Serpentine
Banned
I have a hilarious looking Mahfood Batman sketch from when he was doing free sketches at a con signing a few years back. He was basically doodling for people, it was tight
Freezasaurus
Member
Freezasaurus
Member
Floppies were clearly a mistake.
Do you still read floppies though?
my name is ed
Banned
McKelvie is an artist that I think lacks the kind of pure drawing ability that many other top artists have but he does everything else so damn well. Might be the best planner.
Freezasaurus
Member
Messi, check your PMs and talk to me, senpai.
Floppies deserve better.
I don't think it's appropriate to make an ot thread for floppies so I'm going to write down some stuff for January and mail it to people. Then if people buy books they can mail their thoughts to me and I'll compile them into...okay this might not work.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
My brother got me the Saga hardcover for X-Mas. Does one book count as a collection?
MHWilliams
Member
Honestly, I love the idea of floppies, but I'm all digital at this point (helps when taking screenshots for reviews).
I think the industry needs to rethink the 22-pager at some point, because I'm not seeing the need there, outside of servicing the direct market.
the start of a collection of lewd things.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Hmm, what do you mean by rethinking the 22-pager? Switching to longer, quarterly titles? Shrinking the regular issue size?
I'd love to see publishers start bundling lower-performing series into stuff like the Jump magazine releases.
Sorta. It's very... Giffen. Also extremely anime, the entire first arc coulda been pulled right out of a shonen series. Gorgeous art and an overall fun tone (despite featuring some horrific stuff) keeps it on the recommend list, but it's certainly not for everybody.
I think I'm going to go for it. I'm pretty open-minded in regards to what I like. And I can get all of 3000 and 3001 for a total of $20.79 on Comixology right now, sooo....
MHWilliams
Member
Basically, the 22-pager exists because that was the form that was good for the newsstands from a size/price standpoint. None of that really matter anymore and these days, we keep it because of tradition and the fact that direct market is built to handle floppies in their current form.
Once you move to digital, that goes out the door. Make the story the length you need to tell the story. Marvel's slowly coming to this realization with it's digital-only books. X-Men 92 is anywhere from 20-25 pages per issue, but there's room for more variance. You can see minimums for pricing purposes ("You'll always get at least 20 pages for $1.99!"), but otherwise, the format should fit the story being told, not the other way around.
And yes, like you point out, you can put lower performing titles in an anthology series. You can experiment with the format: maybe a monthly 100-page anthology with five stories is the best format for your smaller characters and new ideas. Maybe 6 pages released weekly, like Warren Ellis' FreakAngels is your best method. It depends on your story.
JL3K was a lot of fun, JL3K1 started out pretty strong but ends on a total dud.
Marvel does this
What about variants?
Amazon has a deal where you can rent any movie for a buck, so I finally got around to watching Suicide Squad. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great either. It's super obvious where they re-shot the final third of the movie (from the bar scene and on), because boy does the tone change, it really felt like two movies squished into one. Viola Davis and Margot Robbie were easily the best part, aside from Lawton the rest of the cast was pretty underutilized. It's also worth noting my impressions are inherently tied to only spending a buck to see it.
They all have codes that can be redeemed on comixology.
Star lord was definitely interesting but can't say it was good
Anka on art made me skip it. Even though I sometimes like Chips writing.
MHWilliams
Member
I mean, everything sells poorly except for Spider-Man, Batman, Star Wars, and various combinations of those properties.
I argue that major publishers and the direct market are more predicated on not seeing them as a strong profit driver and so they don't really try on the format. There's nothing really preventing a collection featuring something like Sensation Comics Featuring Wonder Woman, Adventures of Superman, and Legends of the Dark Knight in the same book alongside some smaller stories. Essentially, the industry has taught a specific demographic that this is what we offer as a norm and in doing so, alienated other demos. We sold pulp magazines until we decided pulp magazines weren't the thing we were selling anymore.
It's like manga. For the longest time, manga was either not published on Western shores, or sold in odd-cut floppy format. It wasn't that a market didn't exist for translated manga in the tankobon format, it was that existing publishers and retailers didn't try hard enough to sell the different format to new or existing audiences. Once someone really dug in, the format took off. And note, it flourished outside of the direct market, where the market itself wasn't trying to force the content to fit its existing format.
(As a random example of setting norms in a market, see the reception to Super Mario Run. Console players enjoy the buy once share model, but avid mobile players are used to free-to-play and micros, so the $10 asking price seems high and unnecessary to them.)
All of which has little to do with the rest of my post.
I thought it was fine. Zdarsky clearly understands the character unlike certain other writers and he's putting the character in funny situations, which is what you would expect from his writing.
I would say the same is true for Captain Marvel because it shows that Stohl read Brian Reed's run and won't be running away from her flaws like KSD.
Is there a chance we could go full digital and still release trades in the near future?
Best heroes are flawed, I'm glad CM and SL are off to a good start if Star Lord had too much OLM.
I felt like the book didn't know what direction it was heading towards. Star lord on earth should be some A one story telling but I don't feel like I am going to get that
How come? Did it get caught up in an event or was it just a cappy ending arc?
A third of the way into CoIE, by the way. VERY dense read. Taking forever. It's good so far, though.
It ended in the middle of a story arc with nothing resolved.
What?! Unexpectedly cancelled or something?
I like Carol better as a flawed character, and I remember ranting about that on here a while back.
We're also getting an issue for Star-Lord teams up with
Shocker, which could be fun if it's like the Superior Foes version.
The first issue setup
the reason why he hasn't left earth and how things currently stand with Kitty
Star-Lord building up his contacts by teaming up with other characters from abound the MU while adjusting to life on Earth.
Rocket Raccoon is going to be a serious book so there should be a nice contrast there.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I honestly think Giffen ran out of steam. Cancellation could have been part of it, but it had been spinning its wheels for a little while before.
MHWilliams
Member
The direct market prevents that. Most comic sales comes from comic stores, most comic stores need the weekly churn of floppies. Anytime the big publishers do anything that could hurt the direct market, comic store owners revolt and get angry because it's their goddamn livelihood. (See: The retailer backlash at the random Walmart comic bundles.)
Speaking to my earlier point about format and what sells in the direct market, here's a big rant by Big Bang Comics' John Hendrick in response to this article (which has some great points in it).
And Ryan Higgins:
And El Anderson:
Part of reaching to new readers isn't just the content. It's also the format. Trying to sell people on just DC/Marvel is rough. Trying to sell people on floppies is hard. And the current direct market punishes retailers and publishers for trying anything new.
He seemed lost after the transition to 3001.
That's such a shame. I'm really enjoying JL3000, btw. Really cool so far.
Are there any propositions for inmorovement or reform?
MHWilliams
Member
Not really. If anything Diamond is beefing up to continue on.