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[echoshifting]

I think Avengers is a good example of a book that wasn't ready for a new volume

It's not uncommon for shared universe stories to reference events in other comics, but it's rare for those events to be an essential part of the story. Here we have a case where a prior story in a prior volume is basically the first part of the story being told here. If a book is going to have multiple connected arcs driven by one storyteller, it should be one volume. A lineup change isn't enough to justify a new volume. ANAD Avengers was a bad title that wasn't built to last, but it would have been better to just drop the ANAD.

This probably sounds kinda nitpicky, but it bugs me that "Mark Waid Avengers" will always span at least two volumes for no reason

 

[echoshifting]

Cable creative team announced. James Robinson and Carlos Pacheco. Plot is Cable trying to fix time(can he go and kill the O5?) which is like the 5th time this "mission" has happened since AoU it feels like.

Hmmm, Robinson has done some good stuff but also last year's Scarlet Witch which was totally uninspired. Will try though. I like Pacheco just fine.

Time travel is kinda Cable's thing, they are at least leaning into it in a cool way

 

[Memento Mori]

Hmmm, Robinson has done some good stuff but also last year's Scarlet Witch which was totally uninspired. Will try though. I like Pacheco just fine.

Robinson's main problem is dialogue.

 

[Sandfox]

Cable creative team announced. James Robinson and Carlos Pacheco. Plot is Cable trying to fix time(can he go and kill the O5?) which is like the 5th time this "mission" has happened since AoU it feels like.

This is a nice creative team

Now to listen to Cable's theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8frfORBBw3Q

 

[LordOfLore]

Sunspot is the new Citizen V and the Red Hulk isn't Ross but someone new. Feels like they could've mentioned that a bit sooner(didn't Ewing joke about Ross finally getting his mustache in Hulk form in the reveal interview?). Captain America 20XX is just a guest for the the first 3 issues but might come back later.

 

[echoshifting]

Sunspot is the new Citizen V and the Red Hulk isn't Ross but someone new. Feels like they could've mentioned that a bit sooner(didn't Ewing joke about Ross finally getting his mustache in Hulk form in the reveal interview?).

Yeah he did. Rulk 2 sounds like a last minute change. But at least now it makes sense he has a mustache. Rulk 2 already the superior Rulk

Sunspot for Citizen V is a cool choice, I'm interested in seeing how that pans out

 

[LordOfLore]

Slott apparently just confirmed on a live interview that the Jackal in Spider-Island was the new one as well

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so Reilly has been back for a while.

 

[ElNarez]

James Robinson on Cable is a goddamn kiss of death. This book is as dead as All-New Invaders.

 

[tim1138]

Robinson's main problem is dialogue.

Robinson's main problem is that it's not the mid 90s and he's not writing Starman any more

 

[echoshifting]

Robinson's main problem is that it's not the mid 90s and he's not writing Starman any more

Amen

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Amen

Thirded.

I'd buy the book if Hinkle drew it tho

 

[Messi]

Will you try to get one of the JLA pages from the Killer Frost or Vixen issues or try to get a Epting page from Batwoman next year?

Epting will be hard to get a page from

Mirka Andolfo is all digital Killer Frost

 

[Hagi]

Whoa what the hell I finished the Age of X trade (which was awesome) and it ends with "Next the Aftermath". They didn't think to put that in the bloody book? Sound like it might be important. Lucky I have Marvel Unlimited.

 

[Zombine]

Walking Dead #161

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at what point are the odds so entirely stacked against Rick that he loses everything?

I think we are almost there.

 

[MHWilliams]

Robinson's main problem is that it's not the mid 90s and he's not writing Starman any more

Y'all savage in here.

 

[LordOfLore]

BC link: Si Spurrier might be joining the Suicide Squad creative team.

 

[Tyrant Rave]

Motor Crush was definitely a Cameron Stewart/Brenden Fletcher/Babs Tarr joint. Pretty to look at, but not much else

I was nicer to Batgirl than most here... But I'm kinda glad I didn't pick this up now, so thanks Tim lol. I thought it was a solid comic but not something I was really fiending for more of.

I read today's Shade and it was amazing. If it weren't for Doom Patrol this would easily be my favorite YA title. That one two page spread in this issue was fantastic. This is such a good follow-up to Milligan's run.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Motor Crush is honestly worth it for the opening logo spread alone.

It's a work of art.

 

[BrightLightLava]

Robinson's main problem is that it's not the mid 90s and he's not writing Starman any more

I tired reading Airman for some Starman-esque reinvention and got was a book about two comic book creators with giant dongs cheating on their wives.

 

[LordOfLore]

Has anyone checked out the new Midnighter & Apollo issue yet?

Messi, did you pick up the Pussycats issue?

 

[Hagi]

Carey rights a nice Rogue. I should probably start Legacy from the beginning but I'm hooked on this Legion stuff so onwards and upwards.

 

[echoshifting]

Batman #13 may not be out yet, so I can't say for sure, but it's a safe bet you could miss #12 and not even notice

This issue accomplishes almost nothing and moves the story along by inches.

 

[Messi]

Has anyone checked out the new Midnighter & Apollo issue yet?

Messi, did you pick up the Pussycats issue?

Bought it. Didn't read it yet.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Batman #13 may not be out yet, so I can't say for sure, but it's a safe bet you could miss #12 and not even notice

This issue accomplishes almost nothing and moves the story along by inches.

It was also the single most emotionally resonant Batman story in 20 years so pick your poison I guess

 

[Messi]

It was also the single most emotionally resonant Batman story in 20 years so pick your poison I guess

I feel like you say this every two weeks. If everything is hype then nothing is hype. No?

 

[Owzers]

It is a very pretty OT, but why did they straight up steal it?

It's even credited to you.

They also promise future stealing:

The only solution is to have me make the next OT and call their bluff.

 

[Lashley]

Damn, The Clone Conspiracy is so damn good.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I feel like you say this every two weeks. If everything is hype then nothing is hype. No?

This isn't about hype. It's about adding a dimension to the character that has only been hinted at for its 75 years of existence.

Why do people equate and dismiss critical analysis by considering it "hype"?

It's choking the life out of our cultural discourse.

If everything is hype than nothing is hype?

If everyone dismisses cultural analysis, then nothing is.

 

[Owzers]

This isn't about hype. It's about adding a dimension to the character that has only been hinted at for its 75 years of existence.

Why do people equate and dismiss critical analysis by considering it "hype"?

It's choking the life out of our cultural discourse.

If everything is hype than nothing is hype?

If everyone dismisses cultural analysis, then nothing is.

It sounds like you are hyping cultural analysis.

 

[Lashley]

Batman #13 may not be out yet, so I can't say for sure, but it's a safe bet you could miss #12 and not even notice

This issue accomplishes almost nothing and moves the story along by inches.

I've got 10, annual, 11 & 12 to read. Hope I enjoy reading them more together so I didn't enjoy reading one, waiting, repeat

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It sounds like you are hyping cultural analysis.

Okay that's the winner lol

 

[Freezasaurus]

From a 2015 issue of Howard:

Crying

Good lord. We've somehow slipped into the alternate timeline. We are clearly in a picto-fic and only Grant Morrison can save us.

Motor Crush was definitely a Cameron Stewart/Brenden Fletcher/Babs Tarr joint. Pretty to look at, but not much else

I'm not done with the issue yet, but it's not bad. It's quite possibly Tim is just wrong.

There was nowhere to go but down after Episode 3.

True. This may end up being a case of Marvel-itis where they fail to stick the landing.

 

[echoshifting]

It was also the single most emotionally resonant Batman story in 20 years so pick your poison I guess

How can it be resonant when the thrust of Batman's message relies on information we don't have?

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Much of this is reliant on whatever happened with Selina and we know almost nothing about that. It's still a swerve for her character that I dislike

, thus all of that rings hollow. The rest is tired meta analysis, how

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silly the concept of Batman is

, which oh my god let's not have THAT conversation again, complete with on-the-nose imagery like

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Batman in the water with a shark just as we are talking about how ha ha funny this all is, a shark that does not serve the story in any way and is not there for any reason but to drive home King's point

, so I guess it's safe to say I completely disagree with you there

 

[Lashley]

Unworthy Thor continues to be great.

What a start to my comic week, only downhill from here

 

[LordOfLore]

Don't kill each other while I'm sleeping. See you all tomorrow~

 

[ElNarez]

If you're not gonna be into a contemplation of Batman as a character while also getting a dope jail fight, I don't know what you're into Batman comics for, imo.

It's also the necessary counterpoint to #11, as far as putting into the text a lot of the questions that people had been asking after that issue, specifically

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regarding that Catwoman would kill 237 people, or at least say she did.

It's layered character work done around a dope action setpiece, which is what people say they want from Tom King on Batman. But somehow it doesn't work for you guys, and for the life of me I can't figure that one out.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Don't kill eachother while I'm sleeping.

No problem promises.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

How can it be resonant when the thrust of Batman's message relies on information we don't have?

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Much of this is reliant on whatever happened with Selina and we know almost nothing about that. It's still a swerve for her character that I dislike

, thus all of that rings hollow. The rest is tired meta analysis, how

Spoiler

silly the concept of Batman is

, which oh my god let's not have THAT conversation again, complete with on-the-nose imagery like

Spoiler

Batman in the water with a shark just as we are talking about how ha ha funny this all is, a shark that does not serve the story in any way and is not there for any reason but to drive home King's point

, so I guess it's safe to say I completely disagree with you there

dude

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attempted suicide. dude considers becoming batman actual suicide.

period.

you're like superman leaping over that core point

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

If you're not gonna be into a contemplation of Batman as a character while also getting a dope jail fight, I don't know what you're into Batman comics for, imo.

It's also the necessary counterpoint to #11, as far as putting into the text a lot of the questions that people had been asking after that issue, specifically

Spoiler

regarding that Catwoman would kill 237 people, or at least say she did.

It's layered character work done around a dope action setpiece, which is what people say they want from Tom King on Batman. But somehow it doesn't work for you guys, and for the life of me I can't figure that one out.

that's the other thing

holy shit

we're just superman leaping over the best pages of sequential art since quitely drew the camping issue of New X-Men

i mean

 

[diaspora]

Clone Conspiracy #3 reveal

 

[ElNarez]

The spread where you see more and more of Batman at the bottom of each panel, while an army of goons loses its shit, it's the simple stuff, it's a nice serving of beef.

 

[Brian Fellows]

I'm not done with the issue yet, but it's not bad. It's quite possibly Tim is just wrong.

I won't be reading it for a few weeks but I'm seeing plenty of positive impressions for it other places.

 

[Messi]

It sounds like you are hyping cultural analysis.

Perfect. Just perfect

 

[Messi]

Hey guys, make sure to pick up the incredible Legend of Wonder Woman today. It's coming back for Vol 2 soon.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Hey guys, make sure to pick up the incredible Legend of Wonder Woman today. It's coming back for Vol 2 soon.

That was the weekly series, wasn't it?

 

[echoshifting]

I really couldn't disagree more with you guys, I'm sorry.

There is no sense of action in this art. There is a page that is just a

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room full of dudes with Batman popping up through the crowd hitting this dude, hitting that dude, without convincingly portraying any event that would lead to Batman's victory over this veritable army, then the next page is just Batman standing completely victorious and totally unharmed in a room of knocked out dudes

. The art's primary function is to convey

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Batman moving from place to place and here it is reasonably successful, but nothing here is connected to Batman's letter with any sort of subtlety

.

Of course I am into contemplation of the character but thinking of a novel way to say something that has been discussed to death doesn't make your idea clever or interesting. The notion that

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Bruce Wayne doesn't exist/Bruce Wayne is the alter ego

is not new and this is effectively an angle on that same discussion

 

[Messi]

That was the weekly series, wasn't it?

The digital first one yes

 

[tim1138]

I was nicer to Batgirl than most here... But I'm kinda glad I didn't pick this up now, so thanks Tim lol. I thought it was a solid comic but not something I was really fiending for more of.

I read today's Shade and it was amazing. If it weren't for Doom Patrol this would easily be my favorite YA title. That one two page spread in this issue was fantastic. This is such a good follow-up to Milligan's run.

Marley Zarcone is probably my new favorite artist. Her layouts and spreads are amazing. Shade is probably my favorite monthly book to be honest.

Motor Crush is honestly worth it for the opening logo spread alone.

It's a work of art.

That Tom Muller design

I tired reading Airman for some Starman-esque reinvention and got was a book about two comic book creators with giant dongs cheating on their wives.

The first issue was pretty good, but it went to hell really quickly

Has anyone checked out the new Midnighter & Apollo issue yet?

Yep, it was great as always. Orlando is mining that deep lore, I can't wait to see what he does with JLA.

 

[Dusknoir]

Batman #13 may not be out yet, so I can't say for sure, but it's a safe bet you could miss #12 and not even notice

This issue accomplishes almost nothing and moves the story along by inches.

I loved this issue because of the because

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the letter

but I will agree that it like nothing happen. People are safe to skip this but they will be missing out.

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Unless your tired of Batman talking about his beliefs.

 

[tim1138]

I'm not done with the issue yet, but it's not bad. It's quite possibly Tim is just wrong.

or I just don't like Cameron Stewart as a writer