Freezasaurus
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Nyx had a different feel to it than most of the street-level Marvel stuff. It really didn't feel like it fit in with their usual lineup.
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Nyx had a different feel to it than most of the street-level Marvel stuff. It really didn't feel like it fit in with their usual lineup.
BKatastrophe
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Yeah she does
It was like Runaways if you made them fucked up and not superheroes and then more fucked up
I've never read Runaways, but I assume
echoshifting
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Marville in that same era. Those were weird days to be a Marvel fan I tell you what
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I had blocked out the fact that Marville existed until just now.
Two runs I voted for made it with Chew and Question. The list is turning out pretty well so far.
Two runs I voted for made it with Chew and Question. The list is turning out pretty well so far.
Freezasaurus
Member
I don't think I've ever even heard of it before, but these covers look like a series JSC was born to work on.
CBRs Marvel ANAD Gone Too Soon List
15. Venom: Space Knight
14. Rocket Raccoon & Groot
13. Red Wolf
12. Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D.
11. Guardians of Infinity
10. Black Knight
9. Drax
8. Nova
7. All-New Hawkeye (LOL WUT)
6. New Avengers
5. Astonishing Ant-Man
4. Karnak
3. Mockingbird
2. Nighthawk
1. The Vision
15. Venom: Space Knight
14. Rocket Raccoon & Groot
13. Red Wolf
12. Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D.
11. Guardians of Infinity
10. Black Knight
9. Drax
8. Nova
7. All-New Hawkeye (LOL WUT)
6. New Avengers
5. Astonishing Ant-Man
4. Karnak
3. Mockingbird
2. Nighthawk
1. The Vision
BKatastrophe
Member
Vision had a complete story so that's fine. Nighthawk works as is so I'm fine with it, but I do wish there was more. Karnak is just floating in the ether somewhere. New Avengers could have continued with the ones that didn't carry over in to USAvengers, but I enjoyed where they went and I very much am looking forward to USA (heh). Howling Commandos felt painfully boring. Almost too much B-level cheese to the point of being C and maybe even D. All-New Hawkeye was so boring and I dropped after the pre-Secret Wars arc. Venom Space Knight was awesome and unique and I'm upset with where it went, but the new book has an interesting concept on its own.
Didn't read the rest and I notice Illuminati isn't on there, thus invalidating the entire list.
Sean Ryan's Nova sucked and from what I've heard the same is true for Drax and Hawkeye.
BKatastrophe
Member
I thought Duggan was on Nova? Didn't that get some positive feelings?
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
And Hawkeye more or less spun out into two new titles. Same with Nova.
Duggan nova is good.
BKatastrophe
Member
I thought he was on it near the beginning of CW2? I read one issue (#9 I think) where he had his birthday and NO ONE GAVE A FUCK. It was brutal.
That was like the only good issue of Ryan's run.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Can't say I'll miss any of them.
Might have missed Mockingbird if they hadn't cancelled it before I got a chance to read it on MU.
BKatastrophe
Member
But it was so depressing though
Didn't particularly need Drax in different pants but Starlord looks like a big improvement over the first.
Hope they have a comic space pirate Nebula in the next set.
Sam has a sad life and things like that happen to him pretty often. There's an issue in his book where the kids at Wolverine's school invite him to hang out for Halloween only for it to turn out that they were trying to invite Speedball and messaged the wrong person.
Suicide Squad initial impression: The movie dropped off a bit
I want my harley holiday statue
with the power rangersish typical squishy face enchantress army, the diablo vs enchantress brother fight, some of the Croc stuff was just...bad? Bad. I didn't like the Croc at allllllll. I'm probably going to think worse of the movie over time but initially i really liked it, harley was great and as i assumed, i continue to like Will Smith. The plot was weak and the beginning seemed like too many quick chopped up scenes mashed together, but i liked the pacing. And how is the whole device destroyed by shooting explosives with a bullet, is this a QTE out of a game for a movie closing? Comic movies...still a mixed bag of other bags that hold things because they are bags. I didn't like the scene where the joker shocked harley or when she jumped in the acid, but apart from that i liked most Joker scenes despite thinking i was going to dislike everything Leto. I still kind of dislike everything Leto, even when i liked stuff.
I want my harley holiday statue
my name is ed
Banned
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats Up the Marvel Universe was fucking amazing. Comic of the year for me
BKatastrophe
Member
I don't get why everyone dislikes Sam. I genuinely don't, but what's worse is how he doesn't seem to climb out of it, and when it seems like he does it turns out he did a really dumb thing. Like, supremely dumb. Champions #2 is about the closest he came to a net positive when he basically says "Fuck off Cho," and then hits him with his power demo.
echoshifting
Banned
You're welcome
BKatastrophe
Member
That's the one with the racist ass convo between Tony and T'challa, yeah?
Sam has his moments and seeing him get a win after all the struggles make them all the better. Sam has a good number of characters around the Marvel Universe in his corner though. I recommend checking out Duggan's run.
echoshifting
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echoshifting
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Venom, Ant-Man and Mockingbird. Those are the only three I agree with. Everything else on this list was either bad, mediocre or told a complete story.
Maybe Nighthawk
He was the first in DIVERSITY PUSH IN MAH BOOKZ
And yet, it was 2012 and people were still bitter with Rich while Thanos and Star Lord got off scott free.
echoshifting
Banned
I don't think it was a diversity thing. A lot of people who hate Sam don't even realize he is a white/Latino character.
But it is a legacy thing. Generally speaking I think we as comic book fans don't appreciate the extraordinary effort and patience that goes into establishing a legacy character successfully. Kamala is the exception, not the rule.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I think it's more of a Marvel specific thing. DC has a pretty long history of successful legacy characters, in some cases completely surpassing the original in the eyes of most of the fans (Wally says hi).
But Marvel's real push on legacy characters is pretty recent, and their fanbase doesn't seem to be taking well to a lot of them.
echoshifting
Banned
You may have a point there
Edit: except on recency. Marvel has a long history of pushing legacy characters but very few end up in the same league as the originals
TheDarkKnight774
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Yea I always liked DC adding legacy and history to their universe. Marvel until recently always just reset the timeline of when the main characters were introduced.
It's not really a Marvel specific thing as much as it's a modern fan thing IMO.
echoshifting
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Well I did update to say I am not sure that particular point stands up to scrutiny, you have War Machine, how many Thors, Caps, Ant-Men etc.
It's true that characters like Wolverine and Spider-Man are almost always the same characters but that's true of most AAA DC characters as well
echoshifting
Banned
The more I think about it the more I return to my original argument that it's simply exceptionally difficult and sometimes it doesn't work out.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Fair point there.
Although it feels like this current era is the first time in a long time that Marvel was really doubling down on legacy characters. A lot of the older ones like War Machine, Beta Ray Bill, etc came during a very different time.
Was it Jeph Loeb immediately turning people off too? 2-3 years off of Red Hulk/Ultimates 3/Ultimatum
TheDarkKnight774
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I know there was us agent, war machine, etc but it never felt the same as the "families" that D.C. Started to foster where they all were working together a lot. Batman had a family and legacy with Robin and batgirl characters. Flash was one huge speedforce family. Supes post doomsday had steel, super girl, super boy, etc. Wonder Woman had wonder girl. Diana replaced her mom as WW, black canary was picking on the legacy from her mom, And so on. Then pre 52 you had the JSA being the "old guard" to the JLA new to John's JSA and Robinson's starman I loved that stuff!
Marvel seemed terrified of sidekicks like the ghost of Bucky loomed over them for decades.....except for rick jones.
Man I love all that stuff so much. Makes for such captivating comics. I really need to get the second and third volumes of JSA omni.
Yep, also Sam was a expy of Loeb's son...
Despite that, people thought it was nepotistic as fuck
Brevoort is cutting back on his online activity due to fans getting aggressive with him. I'm guessing part of it has to do with BC harassing him a while back as well.
There are a lot of comic fans that just want to read about their favorite characters so it takes a perfect storm to get a new character to take off to that level.
There are a lot of comic fans that just want to read about their favorite characters so it takes a perfect storm to get a new character to take off to that level.
The Riri comments are bad and make me question whether a black female superhero other than Storm will be able to carry an ongoing that accepting by the comic fandom.
I would say Marvel was over that by the 90s at the latest with Spider-Man and the X-Men.
Ugh. So she is leaving Superwoman?
echoshifting
Banned
See, I think you're showing you're bias a bit here. I will show you my own to illustrate what I mean: I do not care if Flash is Wally West or Barry Allen, to me they may as well be the same person. I did not even realize one of the four Supermen from post-Death of Superman was the Eradicator until recently and I know virtually nothing about Steel. And so on.
War Machine, Thunderstrike, Beta Ray Bill, Scott Lang, Ben Reilly, U.S. Agent, they're all hugely significant characters to me. They are families. There is definitely a Spider-family right now, a Thor family, etc.
And furthermore most of these characters on either list could not hold a solo title for long and have rarely supported long-running solos with the exception of the Bat-family and possibly later generations of the X-Men
There are exceptions on either side of the fence all over the place but for every successful new Lantern there is a Lantern who was once a rising star and is now relegated to cameo level, so to speak.
If I'm not mistaken I think he's reading through an old book.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Serpentine
Banned
Oh OK. Phew.