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[B-Dubs]

Yeah, the white envy thing killed it for me too. Why can't she be proud of her heritage? I honestly think that'd make her much more compelling and interesting.

Is it really white envy though? It reads more like she wants to fit in with everyone else, like every other teenager ever. Make her an Orthodox Jew instead, nothing changes except her skin color. She still wouldn't be eating bacon, she doesn't go to parties because her father is overprotective not because of religion. Her father isn't making her wear a veil, in fact he wants her sister to not wear her head scarf. I don't remember her saying she hates her culture, but that she wants to be like everyone else. Every book about teenagers ever is about fitting in, every teenager wants to fit in.

I think you guys are reading too much into a pretty standard plot point in stories concerning teenagers.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

The last ms Marvel series went 50 issues.

Also doesn't look like Captian marvel is bei canceled eher.

On ms marvel one. I nthought is was a Cliche teen drama (parents just don't understand") but I think the book will pick up after this issue

woo 1 book lol
Anyways I was half joking in a sad way
But I know its coming, I'll sit alone in my corner and get ready for it

 

[ReiGun]

EVERYBODY.

anybody who picks cape books must pick up She-Hulk #1.. or heads will roll.

Single Green Lawyer? Brah, you already know we in there for that.

Unlimited List Works

Forever Evil Rogues Rebellion #5
Justice League 3000 #3
Justice League Of America #12
Superman Wonder Woman #5
She-Hulk #1
Thor God Of Thunder #19

 

[tm24]

So, im pretty set on getting my bro a Marvel Unlimited sub for a year. I've heard the sub is great, but the app is the most amazingly awful app ever done. Impressions for people who use the app? It will be used on a N7 btw

 

[arkon]

Read Ms. Marvel 1 and yeah, I'm cool with this. Wondering if I'm being pedantic with how one uses the word Pakora (I've never heard it said "Pakoras", also, the concept of Pakora for lunch sounds awesome) and I'm pretty sure someone's going to blow up over the depiction of Cap randomly talking Urdu (Though I read on SA that's an error of some sort?) but I'm game.

.

I guess they're using it in the sense of a loan word in English and just pluralizing it according to English rules with an s tacked on the end. I've done that sometimes with stuff like samosas and nobody's batted an eyelid.

So do they have actual Urdu in the comic? This is Mrs. Marvel #1?

As a learner of the Urdus, I feel I must check this out.

Yeah. Nothing major. There are lyrics from a song. Other than that, there's a few words like beti, abu, abu-jaan intermingled with the English.

 

[Supermanisdead]

when did the last saga issue come out? when did the last hawkeye?

ms marvel was pretty good.

 

[slightconfuse]

One thing I think DC does is they let series go on for a bit despite low sales .

 

[ReiGun]

One thing I think DC does is they let series go on for a bit despite low sales .

I am amazed Batwing is still going.

Of course, we lost Vibe, Green Team, and Sword of Sorcery. Then again, only the last one was really worth saving.

 

[slightconfuse]

Yes not always the case but ia ppreate them letting REBELS and doom patrol go for a long as ithey did

 

[Freezasaurus]

when did the last saga issue come out? when did the last hawkeye?

I want to say Saga was the week before the one that just passed. And Hawkeye, about the same, maybe?

 

[arkon]

Egos #2
Fuse #1
Manifest Destiny #4
Mercenary Sea #1
Secret Avengers #15
She-Hulk #1
Transformers Robots in Disguise #26
Wolverine And The X-Men #41
X-Force #1
X-Men Legacy #24

Twice the normal dose of Spurrier this week. Can't possibly fail.

 

[La Maquinon]

Egos #2
Fuse #1
Manifest Destiny #4
Mercenary Sea #1
Secret Avengers #15
She-Hulk #1
Transformers Robots in Disguise #26
Wolverine And The X-Men #41
X-Force #1
X-Men Legacy #24

Twice the normal dose of Spurrier this week. Can't possibly fail.

I am in need of some Spurrier in my life. Really, very stoked for X-Force.

 

[phazedplasma]

Finally got around to Deadly Class, how awesome is that book.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Finally got around to Deadly Class, how awesome is that book.

Pretty awesome. It seems like all of the well-known creators end up doing great things over at Image.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Just found a site online that had deadpool and cable ultimate collections for $40 each... I kind of doubt it will actually ship since it's going for over $100 everywhere else but we'll see I guess.

 

[iamcool388]

Kolkata Book Fair (In the Indian city of... Kolkata) was going on till yesterday. That is possibly the only event in the whole year that I will never, ever miss attending. This year, I was surprised to find quite a few graphic novels and comics, and I ended up buying:

Bone - Vol 1 to Vol 9
All Star Superman
Tom Strong - Deluxe Edition HC 1 and Deluxe Edition HC 2
Devi - Vol 2 (an Indian Graphic Novel series)

There was also Batman: War Games Vol 1 and 2, but since they didnt have 3, I ended up not purchasing them. Are they any good? There was also a bunch of single volumes of Preacher, Sandman and Fables, but no place had all the volumes, so didnt purchase them.

Bought Devi because I want to encourage Indian Comic Book writers. I'm just pissed that sometimes they leave a series in the middle without completing it. Case in Point is Ramayana 3392 AD, an interesting take on an old epic, but I have been unable to find its Vol 3. It just makes me feel highly dissatisfied.

 

[shadyspace]

Just found a site online that had deadpool and cable ultimate collections for $40 each... I kind of doubt it will actually ship since it's going for over $100 everywhere else but we'll see I guess.

What site?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

What site?

Books a million

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

There was also Batman: War Games Vol 1 and 2, but since they didnt have 3, I ended up not purchasing them. Are they any good? There was also a bunch of single volumes of Preacher, Sandman and Fables, but no place had all the volumes, so didnt purchase them.

I thought War Games was fucking awful when I read it as it was coming out. Bill Willingham phoning it in, terrible art all through it, Z-level characters you're supposed to care about (oh noes Orpheus?!!?), too long. Ugh, so offensive.

 

[frye]

Yeah, War Games is loathsome garbage.

 

[Freezasaurus]

CBR posted an article on representation in the new Ms. Marvel series. It's a good read.

 

[doniewhalberg]

Holy shit man, do you guys ever go on the cbr forums and feel like you felt into an alternate dimension where superheroes are real? It feels like half the discussions on there are held in this meta-kayfabe fashion as if the characters are real and genuinely accountable for their actions, outside of writers etc., it's kind of incredible to read haha.

 

[Blink Me]

I thought War Games was fucking awful when I read it as it was coming out. Bill Willingham phoning it in, terrible art all through it, Z-level characters you're supposed to care about (oh noes Orpheus?!!?), too long. Ugh, so offensive.

I actually enjoyed it at the time but it was 10 years ago when I read it.

 

[Messi]

I started reading American Vampire vol 2 and I am liking it much more than vol 1. Is there any reason why Stephen King is not part of this book anymore? Did he just leave?

 

[doniewhalberg]

I started reading American Vampire vol 2 and I am liking it much more than vol 1. Is there any reason why Stephen King is not part of this book anymore? Did he just leave?

The King is busy Messi, and likely commands a pay grade far above your average comic writer haha. He was only every scheduled to write the Skinner origin stuff. He's back to putting out a good two books a year though, if you find yourself interested, he's been pretty great lately.

Ironically, despite being an absolute Stephen King fanboy, I think Snyder's half to those issues are stronger. Incredible author but comic scripts are a different skill etc. Not to say they're bad at all, just that I wouldn't rank them as a the stronger halves of those issues.

 

[GrandHarrier]

CBR posted an article on representation in the new Ms. Marvel series. It's a good read.

Why did the author feel the need to assure us that we're not racist for not wanting to get Ms. Marvel? No shit.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Holy shit man, do you guys ever go on the cbr forums and feel like you felt into an alternate dimension where superheroes are real? It feels like half the discussions on there are held in this meta-kayfabe fashion as if the characters are real and genuinely accountable for their actions, outside of writers etc., it's kind of incredible to read haha.

ComicsGAF was doing this a couple years back about Cyclops all the time as well, drives me mad characters don't make decisions, writers do.

It just shows me how inspiring it is - people with mental disabilities are out there, living their lives, communicating amongst each other. It's sweet really.

I actually enjoyed it at the time but it was 10 years ago when I read it.

Were you also ten years old? I think that's the only excuse for liking this.

 

[Messi]

Oh and the American Vampire trade covers are so pretty.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Why did the author feel the need to assure us that we're not racist for not wanting to get Ms. Marvel? No shit.

I dunno. But I've gotten the impression around GAF before that some people try a little too hard to be politically correct.

 

[GrandHarrier]

I dunno. But I've gotten the impression around GAF before that some people try a little too hard to be politically correct.

Watching the championing for the series (and lauding it) before the first issue even came out has been fascinating.

ComicsGAF was doing this a couple years back about Cyclops all the time as well, drives me mad characters don't make decisions, writers do.

To be fair I think it's more interesting to look at characters as they are portrayed than to pull yourself back and hand wave away stuff. If you start attributing everything to writers you might as well stop reading.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Watching the championing for the series (and lauding it) before the first issue even came out has been fascinating.

I think that was more of a case of hype and anticipation. Not necessarily knowing how good the book was going to be, yet still being happy that Marvel was giving us something different. A Muslim teenager for a main character isn't the kind of thing that you'd expect from Marvel. And while people earlier in the thread were making claims of "white envy", that wasn't what I saw at all when I read the issue. I saw a story about a teenage girl. Maybe the particulars of her life were different from most other teen superheroes, but a lot of things were still very similar. I don't think her race or religion entered into the equation much.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Watching the championing for the series (and lauding it) before the first issue even came out has been fascinating.



To be fair I think it's more interesting to look at characters as they are portrayed than to pull yourself back and hand wave away stuff. If you start attributing everything to writers you might as well stop reading.

I disagree, that's like saying "wow, I love the clothes that the Young Avengers wear" rather than crediting the artist for making the choices. Every decision that a character 'makes' is a choice by the writer, you are admiring the writing. That's why you can enjoy well written characters making bad decisions.

I think this essentially boils down to the ol' "I follow characters"/"I follow writers" argument.

 

[Blink Me]

Were you also ten years old? I think that's the only excuse for liking this.

15 I think. Anyway started reading Slaine by Pat Mills but I'm not enjoying it as much as I thought I would. Also got out the first volume of Morning Glories from the library but haven't read it yet.

 

[GrandHarrier]

I think that was more of a case of hype and anticipation. Not necessarily knowing how good the book was going to be, yet still being happy that Marvel was giving us something different. A Muslim teenager for a main character isn't the kind of thing that you'd expect from Marvel. And while people earlier in the thread were making claims of "white envy", that wasn't what I saw at all when I read the issue. I saw a story about a teenage girl. Maybe the particulars of her life were different from most other teen superheroes, but a lot of things were still very similar. I don't think her race or religion entered into the equation much.

Oh I'm not making any judgement calls. I haven't read the issue. As someone who picks up almost any new series from DC I'd have probably checked it out too if I main'd Marvel. But seriously the push seems to go beyond hype into something bordering on advocacy; tolerable from opinion sites, questionable from review sites (you see a subset of this from the jaded reviewer indie bump; watch the review scores of any indie title. Early issues will have insanely high scores, on average before settling down to the normal curve once the run finds its routine)

 

[GrandHarrier]

I disagree, that's like saying "wow, I love the clothes that the Young Avengers wear" rather than crediting the artist for making the choices. Every decision that a character 'makes' is a choice by the writer, you are admiring the writing. That's why you can enjoy well written characters making bad decisions.

I think this essentially boils down to the ol' "I follow characters"/"I follow writers" argument.

See, I disagree, because if I am reading a book, I'm not going to say, "Wow I can't believe Author X had Character Y do Action Z." I view the actions of the characters as they are portrayed within the context of the world they live in. I become emotionally invested and attached to the characters. I relate to them not the author. I love Ender 's Game, I empathize with Andrew Wiggins story, but I dislike the Author.

 

[doniewhalberg]

I love Ender 's Game, I empathize with Andrew Wiggins story, but I dislike the Author.

Just as a sidebar, this isn't exactly what Sniv is talking about. Understanding that a character's behaviour in a story is down to the writer, and therefore your enjoyment of the character being based on the writing style/skill of the writer, is very very different to saying anything about a writer's personality, political views etc. What he's saying isn't necessarily anything to do with liking/agreeing the author's moral views or personality or whatevever in real life. That's a very different conversation imo, and not what I was referring to.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Just as a sidebar, this isn't exactly what Sniv is talking about. Understanding that a character's behaviour in a story is down to the writer, and therefore your enjoyment of the character being based on the writing style/skill of the writer, is very very different to saying anything about a writer's personality, political views etc. What he's saying isn't necessarily anything to do with liking/agreeing the author's moral views or personality or whatevever in real life. That's a very different conversation imo, and not what I was referring to.

Yeah you got it. When I'm following a story, my brain is split pretty evenly between following the characters in the story and breaking down the craft that goes into it. It takes something very special indeed to make me forget about the author's hand.

For this reason, I never get upset about characters being screwy, I get upset at the creators instead.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Holy shit man, do you guys ever go on the cbr forums and feel like you felt into an alternate dimension where superheroes are real? It feels like half the discussions on there are held in this meta-kayfabe fashion as if the characters are real and genuinely accountable for their actions, outside of writers etc., it's kind of incredible to read haha.

i love the cbr forums. so wack and exciting

 

[GrandHarrier]

I guess I don't understand. By the logic of viewing all characters by the creators you are saying you can't judge the actions of the character, only the writing of the author. You can't get into a TV show and get drawn into a characters struggle, you can only say "The script writer wrote a nice script". You can't be drawn into the world of a book, only appreciate the writers finesse, can't lose yourself in a game, just enjoy the designers vision.

You can never say "I can't believe that character did that" only "I can't believe the writer WROTE THEM doing that".

I just can't parse that limitation.

 

[Wiseblade]

I think that was more of a case of hype and anticipation. Not necessarily knowing how good the book was going to be, yet still being happy that Marvel was giving us something different. A Muslim teenager for a main character isn't the kind of thing that you'd expect from Marvel. And while people earlier in the thread were making claims of "white envy", that wasn't what I saw at all when I read the issue. I saw a story about a teenage girl. Maybe the particulars of her life were different from most other teen superheroes, but a lot of things were still very similar. I don't think her race or religion entered into the equation much.

Did we read the same thing? Her race and religion are the only topics of conversation. The issue starts with her drooling over bacon, or crying out loud.

I'm not even going to go into how Kamala equates being white with being beautiful (or at the very least, being not white with being not beautiful) at the end of the chapter.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

I guess I don't understand. By the logic of viewing all characters by the creators you are saying you can't judge the actions of the character, only the writing of the author. You can't get into a TV show and get drawn into a characters struggle, you can only say "The script writer wrote a nice script". You can't be drawn into the world of a book, only appreciate the writers finesse, can't lose yourself in a game, just enjoy the designers vision.

You can never say "I can't believe that character did that" only "I can't believe the writer WROTE THEM doing that".

I just can't parse that limitation.

Bit of both I guess - when I'm in a story I follow the beats and character. But I wouldn't talk about the characters on a forum like they're real, I would talk about the choices the writer has made.

It's like watching a film and admiring the craft of the camera work or the editing or the acting, over and above simply the details in the story. It's all choices and I appreciate that.

Also, talking about characters like they're real makes us sound like 14 year old girls or Sherlock fans.

 

[doniewhalberg]

I guess I don't understand. By the logic of viewing all characters by the creators you are saying you can't judge the actions of the character, only the writing of the author. You can't get into a TV show and get drawn into a characters struggle, you can only say "The script writer wrote a nice script". You can't be drawn into the world of a book, only appreciate the writers finesse, can't lose yourself in a game, just enjoy the designers vision.

You can never say "I can't believe that character did that" only "I can't believe the writer WROTE THEM doing that".

I just can't parse that limitation.

Not to be funny man but I'd consider it a limitation that you can't do both, not the other way round, but see how I didn't say that. I was on-board with what you were saying, regardless of whether I agreed or not, but "you don't understand because of our limitations"? Maybe be careful this doesn't devolve, it's been a fine enough discussion so far, mostly based on a joke. I'm not sure you would even defend the stuff I was referring to when I made the comment about the cbr forums. I can be lost in a story and also consider it afterwards in terms of how the writer wrote the dialogue, the character#s actions, what themes he explored and so on. There will always be two levels to fiction. I don't think recognising that is a limitation.

Bare in mind I would only ever sit and appreciate a writer's finesse if he successfully had lost me in the story in the first place. Think of it this way. There is no limitation or inability on my end. If a writer successfully draws me in, then I will be drawn in. Afterwards I will consider the work critically to my own satisfaction.

 

[GrandHarrier]

Bit of both I guess - when I'm in a story I follow the beats and character. But I wouldn't talk about the characters on a forum like they're real, I would talk about the choices the writer has made.

It's like watching a film and admiring the craft of the camera work or the editing or the acting, over and above simply the details in the story. It's all choices and I appreciate that.

Also, talking about characters like they're real makes us sound like 14 year old girls or Sherlock fans.

One clarification: As someone who will talk about the actions of a character it is always in the context of the world they live in, not our own, unless the two are similar. I just view the story and the craft of the story as two separate things.

Edit: @Donie Oh I can appreciate understanding it from both the character's point of view and the authors. I see them as being explicitly distinct.

 

[doniewhalberg]

Awesome, got the Infinity OHC through in the mail just there. Looks freaking epic, I can't wait to crack this bad boy open. I also got a few volumes of Bendis' All-New & Uncanny x-men through. I may regret those if the pacing drives me nuts but I wanted to give them a shot at least.Thankfully they were all packaged well, the postie somehow seems to have smeared black ink all over the exterior of my packages, still wet, wtf. Guess his pen burst or something but jesus, royal mail haha.

EDIT: Probably my only complaint about the book on face value is I'm not a big fan of the cover. It's not bad, but I'd loved to have seen the faux movie poster variant that Marko Djurdjevic did as the cover, I really loved that. Binding seems great though, the usual thin paper we've gotten used to, no worse than usual but no better, it won't change any opinions there. Oppose to issue covers/numbers between issues, it's just chapter names, so I'm not sure what order they've put it in.

 

[phoenixyz]

Biglist

Batman #28

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well, that's pretty much it.

 

[Ragnaroz]

Just reading the "Quiver" and it's bloody epic. Why were people telling me to steer clear from Green Arrow? xD

 

[wetflame]

Short list for me too, but all ones I've been looking forward to:

All-New X-Men #23
Astro City #9
Deadpool #23
Fatale #20
Superior Spider-Man #27.1
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #31

Interested in getting Bunker and F.U.S.E. (or is it just Fuse?) #1s too.

Edit: Oh! She-Hulk is this week? That too.

 

[GrandHarrier]

Just reading the "Quiver" and it's bloody epic. Why were people telling me to steer clear from Green Arrow? xD

There are some stinkers in the Green Arrow line. Cry For Justice, for example, or the first 16 of New 52.

 

[Splatt]

Anyone know if Hickman has any plans on finishing his SHIELD book?

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Just reading the "Quiver" and it's bloody epic. Why were people telling me to steer clear from Green Arrow? xD

I don't know many that would stear you from that, it's great.

IMO the Green Arrow canon is Longbow Hunters, Quiver, Archer's quest, Lemire nu52. Everything else is very patchy indeed.