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COMICS! |OT| February 2016. World of love and strangeness and charm.
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BossDarkseid
Member
I have asked King on twitter. he replied to me once.
we're bros./
we're bros./
But does he follow you?
Calcium
Banned
I thought for sure you'd just avatar quote him again.
An insider! Ask him what Rebirth is all about.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'm on mobile, someone pls bold what Gameproff said about Zero Year and avatar quote him pls
BossDarkseid
Member
No. Only Tyrant and some bronies do
Edit: I'll ask him about the inside scoop and just pray he says something mad like Hickman on LoSh/New Gods with Manapaul + Buccelato as the artists.
Serpentine
Banned
...alright then
Pls man...pls.
Most overhyped Story of 2015 in my opinion. Why should I lie?
No. Only Tyrant and some bronies do
Edit: I'll ask him about the inside scoop and just pray he says something mad like Hickman on LoSh/New Gods with Manapaul + Buccelato as the artists.
Jimmy Palmiotti and Sejic both follow me. we are essentially a wolfpack now.
Most overhyped Story of 2015 in my opinion. Why should I lie?
Fair enough. I loved Zero Year most.
BossDarkseid
Member
Alright, well I have a while to go till I'm on your level
BKatastrophe
Member
AXIS
Oh lawd in heaven, where do I start? From the beginning, I suppose.
So, the book starts off carrying directly over from Remender's Uncanny Avengers. Magneto gone done murdered Red Skull, with his hatred combining with Xavier's psychic powers (akin to when Onslaught was first created) in order to create Red Onslaught. Now then, so far I'm on board. I like this idea a lot and I think it was done well...until all the other Avengers show up. Basically, Red Onslaught broadcasts a massive hate-wave across the world, causing everyone to be racist and angry. Everyone except IRON MAN. See, a big problem I have with this book is the heavy focus on Tony Stark. Later, when the Avengers head out to Genosha, Red Onslaught reveals that he had Stark's Anti-Superhero Sentinels (all of two of them) and sends them to attack all the Avengers plus whatever X-Men are there.
Now, my second big problem: the X-Men are pretty much garbage during this event. If they aren't just getting bodied, they're being evil and racist (I'll get to that later on). So, Tony's busy trying to get rid of the Sentinels (which are simply capturing those in their sights, but also maybe killing them. It's unclear) when suddenly, Magneto shows up! Now, apparently Magneto must still be super depowered or something, because he apparently can't do shit to this adamantium Sentinels. Tony is like, "these Sentinels were designed to hunt heroes, but not villains. Mainstream audiences think you're still a villain, so the Sentinels can't hurt you!" This brilliance in logic ends with everyone getting fucked. This includes Rogue, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange trying to "invert" Red Onslaught on his "emotional axis" (aaaaand there's the event's namesake) in order to bring what's left of Xavier inside of him to the forefront. The plan works, until Kid Nova decides "wait, I'm a superhero," (actual dialogue) and screws everything up in doing so.
So, here's the good part: a small resistance force is left. They decide to take the fight to Red Onslaught one more time. It's going to shit, and then Magneto with a shitload of villains shows up. Why these particular ones, such as Carnage? Unknown, but these are the ones he picked up. Since the Sentinels can't target villains, they proceed to get fucked. The previous plan comes to unfold again as the heroes are freed from their prisons (inside the Sentinels), except something goes wrong, explosion happens, and then AXIS happens.
The rest of this is kind of a blur, since I didn't much care. Basically, the X-Men and Avengers attempt to have a race war, because someone kidnapped Red Skull. A few Avengers in particular (Medusa, Sam Wilson, Thor Odinson, Tony Stark, Kluh, and Luke Cage) become some weird, new Illuminati. Basically they're on their own side. They don't care for the Avengers any more, but they also hate mutants. It's weird. Everyone fights, completely blowing up New York (again). Steve Rogers gets a new team together comprised of inverted villains. Heroic moments happen, and the event ends with everyone back to normal EXCEPT Sabertooth, Tony Stark, and Alex Summers a.k.a. Havok.
I kind of rushed the final paragraph because I stopped caring. That's sort of the essence of the event: it became rushed because they stopped caring. Not to say they cared beforehand, but at a certain point shit just kind of happens. No real attachment to the characters, and while the art's pretty solid, there's nothing exciting happening in it. Some cool action shots, but nothing that got me too hyped. Admittedly, it kept me a bit hooked, but I think that was more curiosity than anything. I think the beginning and ending were the most interesting parts, since the beginning was a direct play off of where Remender had left Uncanny Avengers, and the end was set up for the Marvel Universe until Secret Wars happened: Doom has Red Skull hooked up to a chair, Sabertooth joins a new Avengers Unity Squad in penance for his crimes, an inverted Alex fucks off with Janet (unknown what happened to Janet) and visits Scott at the Weapon X bunker (setting up for the end of Uncanny X-Men), and an inverted Tony Stark becomes the Superior Iron Man. But while it may be bookended by an interesting story, the middle part is all the opposite.
It's nothing we haven't seen before. Hell, it feels like it's maybe a slightly more well-written version of Avengers vs. X-Men, but even then it's not saying much. It's pretty much the epitome of wasted potential. This was set to be Remender's finale to a saga that was long in the making. Beginning with Uncanny X-Force, it was supposed to end with this, and while it's definitely a massive nonsensical journey into mediocrity, I can at least see the story beats of Remender's initial tale: Red Onslaught wrecks shit, which fucks up the heroes present. A hate war occurs, shattering the Unity Squad. Evan ascends to the throne as Apocalypse. A brand new team is formed out of the fires of the old. The new team forms using legacy characters to replace the old members. Well, kind of. Sabertooth, Vision, Brother Voodoo, Sam Wilson, and Quicksilver all replace Thor, Wonder Man, Wasp, Sunfire, Havok, Wolverine, and Steve Rogers. The problem with everything is that it doesn't flow. It just doesn't. The core beats are there, and I can clearly see where a lot of Remender's stuff shows through (Deadpool trying to reason with Evan), but it just falls flat.
All in all, it's a bad event. The dialogue is just bad. The story is mediocre to bad at points due to the pure nonsensical stupidity of it all that there's no weight really given to anything. The narrative is choppy, because there isn't really a defined period of time for which everyone is inverted (I'm guessing a week at most) or even how long they're on Genosha (my guess is no more than 48 hours). Maybe I'm just more angry over the fact that one of the best sagas I've read in comics was just fucked into oblivion (and not in the fun way). I still have no idea what inverted Alex was supposed to be, other than gaining an insane obsession with Janet and Katie's "adventures" on Planet X (being pursued by the gestapo is not a happy life, Alex). I'm honestly not sure. He became a coward, I guess? Still unclear. I'm sorry if my review feels super choppy, ill-put together, but I guess my review just reflects the subject of it. Choppy, nonsensical, and ill-put together.
I would, however, really really like to know what Remender's original plans were. Before editorial swooped in.
No.
No you won't.
Oh lawd in heaven, where do I start? From the beginning, I suppose.
So, the book starts off carrying directly over from Remender's Uncanny Avengers. Magneto gone done murdered Red Skull, with his hatred combining with Xavier's psychic powers (akin to when Onslaught was first created) in order to create Red Onslaught. Now then, so far I'm on board. I like this idea a lot and I think it was done well...until all the other Avengers show up. Basically, Red Onslaught broadcasts a massive hate-wave across the world, causing everyone to be racist and angry. Everyone except IRON MAN. See, a big problem I have with this book is the heavy focus on Tony Stark. Later, when the Avengers head out to Genosha, Red Onslaught reveals that he had Stark's Anti-Superhero Sentinels (all of two of them) and sends them to attack all the Avengers plus whatever X-Men are there.
Now, my second big problem: the X-Men are pretty much garbage during this event. If they aren't just getting bodied, they're being evil and racist (I'll get to that later on). So, Tony's busy trying to get rid of the Sentinels (which are simply capturing those in their sights, but also maybe killing them. It's unclear) when suddenly, Magneto shows up! Now, apparently Magneto must still be super depowered or something, because he apparently can't do shit to this adamantium Sentinels. Tony is like, "these Sentinels were designed to hunt heroes, but not villains. Mainstream audiences think you're still a villain, so the Sentinels can't hurt you!" This brilliance in logic ends with everyone getting fucked. This includes Rogue, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange trying to "invert" Red Onslaught on his "emotional axis" (aaaaand there's the event's namesake) in order to bring what's left of Xavier inside of him to the forefront. The plan works, until Kid Nova decides "wait, I'm a superhero," (actual dialogue) and screws everything up in doing so.
So, here's the good part: a small resistance force is left. They decide to take the fight to Red Onslaught one more time. It's going to shit, and then Magneto with a shitload of villains shows up. Why these particular ones, such as Carnage? Unknown, but these are the ones he picked up. Since the Sentinels can't target villains, they proceed to get fucked. The previous plan comes to unfold again as the heroes are freed from their prisons (inside the Sentinels), except something goes wrong, explosion happens, and then AXIS happens.
The rest of this is kind of a blur, since I didn't much care. Basically, the X-Men and Avengers attempt to have a race war, because someone kidnapped Red Skull. A few Avengers in particular (Medusa, Sam Wilson, Thor Odinson, Tony Stark, Kluh, and Luke Cage) become some weird, new Illuminati. Basically they're on their own side. They don't care for the Avengers any more, but they also hate mutants. It's weird. Everyone fights, completely blowing up New York (again). Steve Rogers gets a new team together comprised of inverted villains. Heroic moments happen, and the event ends with everyone back to normal EXCEPT Sabertooth, Tony Stark, and Alex Summers a.k.a. Havok.
I kind of rushed the final paragraph because I stopped caring. That's sort of the essence of the event: it became rushed because they stopped caring. Not to say they cared beforehand, but at a certain point shit just kind of happens. No real attachment to the characters, and while the art's pretty solid, there's nothing exciting happening in it. Some cool action shots, but nothing that got me too hyped. Admittedly, it kept me a bit hooked, but I think that was more curiosity than anything. I think the beginning and ending were the most interesting parts, since the beginning was a direct play off of where Remender had left Uncanny Avengers, and the end was set up for the Marvel Universe until Secret Wars happened: Doom has Red Skull hooked up to a chair, Sabertooth joins a new Avengers Unity Squad in penance for his crimes, an inverted Alex fucks off with Janet (unknown what happened to Janet) and visits Scott at the Weapon X bunker (setting up for the end of Uncanny X-Men), and an inverted Tony Stark becomes the Superior Iron Man. But while it may be bookended by an interesting story, the middle part is all the opposite.
It's nothing we haven't seen before. Hell, it feels like it's maybe a slightly more well-written version of Avengers vs. X-Men, but even then it's not saying much. It's pretty much the epitome of wasted potential. This was set to be Remender's finale to a saga that was long in the making. Beginning with Uncanny X-Force, it was supposed to end with this, and while it's definitely a massive nonsensical journey into mediocrity, I can at least see the story beats of Remender's initial tale: Red Onslaught wrecks shit, which fucks up the heroes present. A hate war occurs, shattering the Unity Squad. Evan ascends to the throne as Apocalypse. A brand new team is formed out of the fires of the old. The new team forms using legacy characters to replace the old members. Well, kind of. Sabertooth, Vision, Brother Voodoo, Sam Wilson, and Quicksilver all replace Thor, Wonder Man, Wasp, Sunfire, Havok, Wolverine, and Steve Rogers. The problem with everything is that it doesn't flow. It just doesn't. The core beats are there, and I can clearly see where a lot of Remender's stuff shows through (Deadpool trying to reason with Evan), but it just falls flat.
All in all, it's a bad event. The dialogue is just bad. The story is mediocre to bad at points due to the pure nonsensical stupidity of it all that there's no weight really given to anything. The narrative is choppy, because there isn't really a defined period of time for which everyone is inverted (I'm guessing a week at most) or even how long they're on Genosha (my guess is no more than 48 hours). Maybe I'm just more angry over the fact that one of the best sagas I've read in comics was just fucked into oblivion (and not in the fun way). I still have no idea what inverted Alex was supposed to be, other than gaining an insane obsession with Janet and Katie's "adventures" on Planet X (being pursued by the gestapo is not a happy life, Alex). I'm honestly not sure. He became a coward, I guess? Still unclear. I'm sorry if my review feels super choppy, ill-put together, but I guess my review just reflects the subject of it. Choppy, nonsensical, and ill-put together.
I would, however, really really like to know what Remender's original plans were. Before editorial swooped in.
No.
No you won't.
whatsinaname
Member
Ed, seen this?
Volume 1 = World of Edena.
I kind of agree with most of GAMEPROFF said. But Zero Year was definitely a lot more competent than the rest of the arcs.
Volume 1 = World of Edena.
I kind of agree with most of GAMEPROFF said. But Zero Year was definitely a lot more competent than the rest of the arcs.
WadiumArcadium
Member
I wouldn't say Zero Year is a disappointment but it doesn't get close to Year One as a Batman origin story, to me at least. I think GAMEPROFF has a point. A few of the arc endings have left me a bit unsatisfied (Death of the Family primarily) but overall I've still loved Snyder's run and I'm sad to see him go. Snyder and Capullo's Batman run got me into buying comics regularly.
Doesn't Marvel do that all the time? They even took Soule and Lemire who were being groomed by DC.
King seems to be the one with the best book currently. I mean, to dont speak bad about Soules Star Wars books, but nobody seems to give a shit about Anakin & Obi Wan while all the time everybody seems to love Vision.
I know, sales, etc. but they should gave him another chance.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
It's ok Gameproff I don't really like Snyder's Batman either. I intend to give Zero Year a shot but I don't think it'll top Year One for me.
Serpentine
Banned
I imagine it will if the mini sells well
WadiumArcadium
Member
I'm enjoying it too. But it's prequel era so blah.
Yeah but you don't sign him up if that isn't the intention. His art is amazing.
That said...#1 only sold 31k :/
prequel hate is so ridiculous these days
Snyder's Batman run talk...no...keep your head down sillymonkey, stay out of it. You're already putting yourself out there campaigning for Trump, you can't fight this battle too. I've heard people say Snyder's run is terrible, but i don't want to say it myself. Should i say it? No, i shouldn't say it. But it's terrible.
Given Marvel's history of snatching DC talent right from under their noses, they would have probably signed him in a few months if DC didn't, so it's probably less that Marvel passed on him than DC deciding to proactively retain him as an exclusive
King in particular is really close to people at DC like Snyder and I doubt Marvel could beat the Batman offer. Given the critical claim Vision I would've expected King to get a higher profile book like Spencer did after Superior Foes if it wasn't for the Batman thing.
Also, the Inhuman books are good bro lol.
Serpentine
Banned
I mean, they can find other uses for him easily if they pass on an ongoing. Him on, like, Catwoman, would be dope. Or on Grayson which would be great considering he's already done Gambit and Ninjak
Kinda surprised to see it sell that little
Magneto was still depowered because he didn't show up to Uncanny X-Men that day they found Dark Beast hidden in a wall giggling about Nano-Sentinels.
I still love that half the Axis turns were just the characters saying "Well...it doesn't serve MY interests" a lot.
Another case of a vocal minority on twitter banging a drum about wanting an ivy book and then not buying it when it comes out. I knew this would happen and I guess DC did too which is why it is a mini series. Its easy to retweet saying you want a book its a different story going into your store and spending the money.
and yo I read up to the part in Zero Year where he flips the bird and it's covered by this ugly ass graphic that some bum intern did in five minutes and it's just like nah son
Anakin & Obi Wan is even in a time frame I am very curious about.
whatsinaname
Member
I wonder why DC or Marvel don't start a Kickstarter type of website. List the idea and the creative team. Sell a 12 issue subscription and only go ahead if they get a minimum buy-in.
Jim Lee's cover to Harley Quinn and the Suicide Squad
Really like her costume on the cover
http://www.comicosity.com/dc-reveal...-and-the-suicide-squad-april-fools-special-1/
Really like her costume on the cover
http://www.comicosity.com/dc-reveal...-and-the-suicide-squad-april-fools-special-1/
Big Companys and Kickstarters always backfire.
That costume is actually really good. Like it very much.Jim Lee's cover to Harley Quinn and the Suicide Squad
Really like her costume on the cover
http://www.comicosity.com/dc-reveal...-and-the-suicide-squad-april-fools-special-1/
whatsinaname
Member
If they put it on Kickstarter, I can see that. But Lego's Cuuso worked well.
BossDarkseid
Member
I feel you'd get too many people acting like how when Sony were helping out with Shenmue 3 and a bunch of people (obviously the most vocal, as it always seems to be
) saying why should they bother when it's a big corporation. Not so much a subscription but it'd be cool if they had a DC Ideas site that was like Kickstarter and basically funded pitched OGNs from a creative team.Edit: Capullo has finished his art on Batman 50. End of an era indeed.
Serpentine
Banned
That cover is pretty good
that's such a DC move
true. figured Ivy was a popular enough character to sustain a series, but eh. First issue was pretty decent though
what the fuck, this was published?
that's such a DC move
true. figured Ivy was a popular enough character to sustain a series, but eh. First issue was pretty decent though
Good post. I don't think it's an insult to say it's not as good as Year One. For a lot of Batman fans, myself included, Year One is right there at the top of Batman stories ever done.
I quite liked Zero Year, but don't think it reaches the same level.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
It's the same as it's always been. They are terrible.
Jim Lee's cover to Harley Quinn and the Suicide Squad
Really like her costume on the cover
http://www.comicosity.com/dc-reveal...-and-the-suicide-squad-april-fools-special-1/
Yo that hair is dope. Costume is great too. Would love to see her use it in the solo series.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Goooooood. I expected him to finish it but nice to have confirmation.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Good to hear. Hopefully we can get a OHC collecting his run on it once it's done.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Write green lantern. Write Green Lantern. Pleaaaaase write Green Lantern.
I don't see him doing both Batman and Green Lantern, but I could be wrong.
choaffable
Member
I'm sure his exclusivity contract ensures his DCU work doesn't interfere with his Vertigo books. I can see that being a big bullet for why he'd go exclusive. Oh, and the health care benefits.
An OHC from an EXCLUSIVE DC COMICS SCUMBAG....good fucking luck m8