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COMICS!!! |OT| February 2017 All You Need is Love (and Rockets)

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Sandfox

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mreddie said:
Mighty Captain Marvel 5 issues in trying in to an Event again.

THEY NEVER LEARN.
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Gotta get people to actually read the book somehow lol.
GAMEPROFF said:
I like it. Its like there is a country which proclaims itself all the time as the home of equality, freedom and democracy and suddenly there are nazis running all over the street and own the country, just that there is a character who embodies this country and now embodies also this changes for a couple of months before the invitable status quo change which every idiot could predict makes this character good again. One could argue that this is pretty brave and current idea, but who am I kidding, Comics should stop beeing political. Maybe in 15 years some guy at Image should write a book about it.

And no, you dont need to repeat for the 50th time that Spencer is a incompetent idiot. I got it around the time you said it for the 15th or 20th time.
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It's his thing though.
Hagi said:
The Nazi Cap event thing is whatever but what I really want to know is what are they going to do after it. Like how do you move on from making such a well regarded character in your fiction a literal Nazi. What story do you tell with Steve after you have him trying to take over the world and likely kill countless people. It's going to be interesting to see how they tackle the ramifications of this story moving forward. Crazy times.
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I'm sure they will write something about his redemption.

LordOfLore said:
Like, to fully redeem him they already need to go back in time or reveal that Jack Flag's death due to Steve was faked. That's a death that is 100% Steve's fault even before he tried to finish the job before Flag passed away in his coma.
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We never saw a body so...
 
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Sibersk Esto

Banned
The answer is simple

TIME DISPLACED TEEN CAPTAIN AMERICA WOOOOO

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FUCK IT, WE DID IT WITH THE X-MEN.
 
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GAMEPROFF

Banned
LordOfLore said:
Like, to fully redeem him they already need to go back in time or reveal that Jack Flag's death due to Steve was faked. That's a death that is 100% Steve's fault even before he tried to finish the job before Flag passed away in his coma.
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Everytime a hero kills someone in a different state of mind nobody cares afterwards. Wolverine must have nowadays hundreds of people from the good ones but nobody care because he was always confused or under mind control or something. The only one who is excluded from this rule is The Scarlet Witch, who is still accused of genocide, but wasnt it Quicksilver who had a unhealthy influence on her?
 
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Hagi

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echoshifting said:
This is my chief concern as well. I feel it could be done well with patient and cautious handling...but I'm worried that won't happen if Marvel is overeager to get him back to normal. Trying to stay optimistic though.
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I look at how they handled Scott post AvX and well I'm not expecting too much. It'll likely go in the opposite spectrum though where they course correct hard into making him squeaky clean again and not lean into making him some crazy mass murderer terrorist.

I guess this is similar to what happened to Wanda as well but I mean Steve is such an integral part of the Marvel universe that this is a pretty big deal. Time will tell though.
 
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echoshifting

Banned
LordOfLore said:
Like, to fully redeem him they already need to go back in time or reveal that Jack Flag's death due to Steve was faked. That's a death that is 100% Steve's fault even before he tried to finish the job before Flag passed away in his coma.
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Yep. I don't disagree.

And plotting the invasion of Earth by the freakin Chitauri

Not to mention all the heinous shit we know awaits us in Secret Empire

Mess.
 
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LordOfLore

Banned
echoshifting said:
Yep. I don't disagree.

And plotting the invasion of Earth by the freakin Chitauri

Not to mention all the heinous shit we know awaits us in Secret Empire

Mess.
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I can already see how Banner's death will be excused. Back alive in a year and Selvig will probably die in SE while Steve loses his memories so no one remembers who sent the gamma research to Bruce that ended up making the situation so stressed that Clint shot Bruce. Or Kobik will just wish everything back to how it would've been if Steve hadn't been changed before disappearing.
 
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echoshifting

Banned
Hagi said:
I look at how they handled Scott post AvX and well I'm not expecting too much. It'll likely go in the opposite spectrum though where they course correct hard into making him squeaky clean again and not lean into making him some crazy mass murderer terrorist.

I guess this is similar to what happened to Wanda as well but I mean Steve is such an integral part of the Marvel universe that this is a pretty big deal. Time will tell though.
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Yeah I don't think either of those cases shed any light on what they're going to do. Wanda was sidelined for years after House of M. They took stabs at it a few times, but her true redemptive arc wasn't until Uncanny Avengers...seven years later. She has recovered admirably since then but that is a long time.

And Scott never really recovered, at least not in the eyes of his teammates or Marvel editors
 
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Sandfox

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echoshifting said:
Yep. I don't disagree.

And plotting the invasion of Earth by the freakin Chitauri

Not to mention all the heinous shit we know awaits us in Secret Empire

Mess.
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This story has been set up in a way where there are a lot of things that can put Cap in a better light at the end.

echoshifting said:
Yeah I don't think either of those cases shed any light on what they're going to do. Wanda was sidelined for years after House of M. They took stabs at it a few times, but her true redemptive arc wasn't until Uncanny Avengers...seven years later. She has recovered admirably since then but that is a long time.

And Scott never really recovered, at least not in the eyes of his teammates or Marvel editors
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This will likely change for Cyclops after IvX with the way things are going.
 
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Hagi

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echoshifting said:
Yeah I don't think either of those cases shed any light on what they're going to do. Wanda was sidelined for years after House of M. They took stabs at it a few times, but her true redemptive arc wasn't until Uncanny Avengers...seven years later. She has recovered admirably since then but that is a long time.

And Scott never really recovered, at least not in the eyes of his teammates or Marvel editors
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Scott never recovered because they didn't want him to, which isn't what's going to happen here for obvious reasons. It should be interesting to see who is going to be on Steves book if it even exists post this event. Should be fun to see his interactions with Deadpool as well.

Sandfox said:
This story has been set up in a way where there are a lot of things that can put Cap in a better light at the end.
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I look forward to see how they make it work.
 
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echoshifting

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Sandfox said:
This will likely change for Cyclops after IvX with the way things are going.
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In a manner of speaking, perhaps. I feel his militant philosophy and attack on the cloud will be redeemed. But those are post-AVX things. The Marvel U's reaction to the death of Professor X is pretty set in stone at this point.
 
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Sandfox

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echoshifting said:
In a manner of speaking, perhaps. I feel his militant philosophy and attack on the cloud will be redeemed. But those are post-AVX things. The Marvel U's reaction to the death of Professor X is pretty set in stone at this point.
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On that subject I'm curious to see what happens with Xavier.
 
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echoshifting

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What is it with super heroes and burying their insanely powerful dead like they're just normal people, anyway

This just happened to Bruce, too. How do you bury the Hulk in a grave in a world where one of the most powerful criminal organizations is a necromantic ninja cult
 
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Hagi

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echoshifting said:
What is it with super heroes and burying their insanely powerful dead like they're just normal people, anyway

This just happened to Bruce, too. How do you bury the Hulk in a grave in a world where one of the most powerful criminal organizations is a necromantic ninja cult
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Is that a thing right now? zombie Hulk?

With the frequency that people come back to life they should really just keep all the dead bodies in an underground facility just in case.
 
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LordOfLore

Banned
echoshifting said:
What is it with super heroes and burying their insanely powerful dead like they're just normal people, anyway

This just happened to Bruce, too. How do you bury the Hulk in a grave in a world where one of the most powerful criminal organizations is a necromantic ninja cult
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Did anyone ever dig up Black Goliath's huge grave(since Richards, Stark, Pym and others had no idea how to shrink him...)?
 
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echoshifting

Banned
Hagi said:
Is that a thing right now? zombie Hulk?

With the frequency that people come back to life they should really just keep all the dead bodies in an underground facility just in case.
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It was an arc of Uncanny Avengers

Yeah it makes you wonder. Would actually be kind of a cool locale, this highly secure "crypt" where they keep dead metahumans
 
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LordOfLore

Banned
echoshifting said:
It was an arc of Uncanny Avengers

Yeah it makes you wonder. Would actually be kind of a cool locale, this highly secure "crypt" where they keep dead metahumans
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IIRC Danver's time as Binary had her visit Mar-Vell's grave for the first time ever during a event. The moment she sits down to talk to it a bunch of kree and other aliens show up to desecrate it. Marvel villain's really like fucking with graves.
 
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RepairmanJack

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(BC) Marvel blaming DC, and their returnable books, for shops hurting.

Don't know the validity of this but it makes it seem like Marvel is trying to say DC doing returnable books ended up hurting the stores and Marvel is saying that is the reason they're shipping free books because shops aren't able to order as much as they'd like because of cash flow problems. Most retailers BC talked to seems to think the exact opposite.

This seems like hilarious PR attempts on Marvel's part. "Were not overshipping to boost our numbers! We're doing it to help the poor shops who are hurt by DC!!"
 
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BKatastrophe

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So, I was thinking to myself that it would be cool if a new FF book would be Johnny, Ben Grimm, and IronDoom, but I can't think of a fourth member.
echoshifting said:
Yep. I don't disagree.

And plotting the invasion of Earth by the freakin Chitauri

Not to mention all the heinous shit we know awaits us in Secret Empire

Mess.
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They aren't plotting the invasion. It's the aftermath that they wish to take advantage of.
 
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LordOfLore

Banned
RepairmanJack said:
(BC) Marvel blaming DC, and their returnable books, for shops hurting.

Don't know the validity of this but it makes it seem like Marvel is trying to say DC doing returnable books ended up hurting the stores and Marvel is saying that is the reason they're shipping free books because shops aren't able to order as much as they'd like because of cash flow problems. Most retailers BC talked to seems to think the exact opposite.

This seems like hilarious PR attempts on Marvel's part. "Were not overshipping to boost our numbers! We're doing it to help the poor shops who are hurt by DC!!"
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Yeah, this sounds like what I've heard:
"Most retailers in the room groaned audibly at the less than subtle jab at DC, though he never mentioned their name he was clearly of the belief that they were the problem. I spoke to many retailers who held the exact opposite opinion, that the failure of Civil War 2 to capture readers and the reliance of multiple off shoots to the event gave readers event fatigue. Most believe Rebirth and its returnability to have been a resounding success for them. It brought people to the store and when there they bought more because there was more available to buy. Yes, 4th quarter was slower than normal, but the majority didn’t believe that DC caused their problems. I do like Gabriel, I think he tries his best to be honest and helpful, but I also believe his hands and his mouth are tied."
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echoshifting

Banned
BKatastrophe said:
Interesting choice. I was actually thinking Scarlet Witch just now.

But also I haven't read the most recent issue, but then that changes things.
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That was revealed a few issues ago actually

I just want someone to use Singularity and I think she'd be a great fit with that lineup. She would create a lot of tension between Doom and Ben/Johnny since they'd always be worrying about him corrupting her/taking advantage of her in nefarious ways. I think you'd get some great humor out of her interactions with Doom, and I could see her bonding with Ben. Not to mention she's a walking talking doorway to any number of FF adventures
 
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BKatastrophe

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echoshifting said:
I just want someone to use Singularity and I think she'd be a great fit with that lineup. She would create a lot of tension between Doom and Ben/Johnny since they'd always be worrying about him corrupting her/taking advantage of her in nefarious ways. I think you'd get some great humor out of her interactions with Doom, and I could see her bonding with Ben. Not to mention she's a walking talking doorway to any number of FF adventures
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That's...actually a really good breakdown. I support it.
 
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LordOfLore

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mreddie said:
Wouldn't be shocked if GWW shoves Singy in Ms. Marvel at some point.
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I still wonder what became of GWW's second full ongoing with Marvel. She kept teasing it before the Perlmutter's donation to Trump was revealed and he went up and said he had Marvel's full support. That week of Marvel writers and artists being pissed on twitter and wanting their employer to denounce Trump must've ruined her willingness to do another book with them. Thinking about moving out of the US in the future can't be ideal working conditions either.
 
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mreddie

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LordOfLore said:
I still wonder what became of GWW's second full ongoing with Marvel. She kept teasing it before the Perlmutter's donation to Trump was revealed and he went up and said he had Marvel's full support. That week of Marvel writers and artists being pissed on twitter and wanting their employer to denounce Trump must've ruined her willingness to do another book with them. Thinking about moving out of the US in the future can't be ideal working conditions either.
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i assume people who actually work there assumed those that yeah, our boss is an asshole but he doesn't care about what they do really, he just wants money. Like everyone else.
 
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