ViewtifulJC
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its worth that much
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COMICS!!! |OT| January 2017 This is the Dawning of the Age of Apocalypse
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its worth that much
TetraxShards
Member
The content is good but the price has that Boom tax.
That good?
I liked it very much.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
100% no snark, cynicism, or sarcastic bullshit, I'd think you'd really like it in particular, Nudull.
Yeah, it looks awesome. Hopefully every act is good unlike The Wolverine.
I'm sure I'll check it out.
After everything that's happened last year (including my own BS), I could stand to sit down and just enjoy comics again.
Durrzerker
Banned
Why is Hopeless so bad at writing Laura Kinney, why why why. He wrote her badly in Avengers Arena, ignored all feedback, and went "clearly this is an amazing direction to take her" going into All-New X-Men.
The difference between ANXM Laura and All-New Wolverine Laura is the most extreme between two simultaneous portrayals I have ever seen, and the latter feels far more true to the character. Hopeless just makes her Logan-lite with a generous dose of unwarranted teen angst.
The difference between ANXM Laura and All-New Wolverine Laura is the most extreme between two simultaneous portrayals I have ever seen, and the latter feels far more true to the character. Hopeless just makes her Logan-lite with a generous dose of unwarranted teen angst.
Oh my God. The ghost. My heart.
Beautiful art. FREEZA LET ME HUG THE GHOST
that looks amazing, i want that ghost dude to be my avatar
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Oh nevermind you liked it.
LordOfLore
Banned
I like most image books so you are really fucked
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
I edited my post. I originally was telling you not to bother.
So Hopeless hasn't really improved all that much through his ANXM run?
I actually got to read all of Avengers Undercover recently while doing some writing research. To be honest, it's actually a really interesting premise (villains teaching and running an underground academy/paradise for young would-be criminals), but the baggage of the Arena cast ruins it from the get-go. It actually made me realize that we don't get stories about young/legacy supervillains as much as we do heroes. Feels like an untapped well.
KoruptData
Member
That was actually a really good read. That's the content we want.
Superior Spider-Man finished!
What a remarkable run of superhero comics. The switch-up in tone and personality makes it always interesting. You never really know what's going to happen next, because it's not really something that's ever happened.
It was really a pretty bittersweet feeling by the end. Otto-Spidey was a very complex character, often very funny in his villainous dialogue and personality style, but never really getting a full understanding of what it means to be a hero. Maybe he didn't need to, but it was clear that he was going about it in a way that could have only ended badly (which it did). He really redeemed himself in that ending moment for him and felt good to have Peter back, even if I was going to miss Otto.
Art was consistently good to great. I really enjoyed Javier Rodriguez' stuff particularly. I'd say Ramos was the weak point, but I honestly liked his stuff quite a bit too.
Also, shout-out to Anna Maria. Great character. I have a feeling it's going to be very sad going into Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1, since I can't imagine that they'll stay together.
What a remarkable run of superhero comics. The switch-up in tone and personality makes it always interesting. You never really know what's going to happen next, because it's not really something that's ever happened.
It was really a pretty bittersweet feeling by the end. Otto-Spidey was a very complex character, often very funny in his villainous dialogue and personality style, but never really getting a full understanding of what it means to be a hero. Maybe he didn't need to, but it was clear that he was going about it in a way that could have only ended badly (which it did). He really redeemed himself in that ending moment for him and felt good to have Peter back, even if I was going to miss Otto.
Art was consistently good to great. I really enjoyed Javier Rodriguez' stuff particularly. I'd say Ramos was the weak point, but I honestly liked his stuff quite a bit too.
Also, shout-out to Anna Maria. Great character. I have a feeling it's going to be very sad going into Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1, since I can't imagine that they'll stay together.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Hopeless should just write Jessica Drew forever.
Superior Spider-Man finished!
What a remarkable run of superhero comics. The switch-up in tone and personality makes it always interesting. You never really know what's going to happen next, because it's not really something that's ever happened.
It was really a pretty bittersweet feeling by the end. Otto-Spidey was a very complex character, often very funny in his villainous dialogue and personality style, but never really getting a full understanding of what it means to be a hero. Maybe he didn't need to, but it was clear that he was going about it in a way that could have only ended badly (which it did). He really redeemed himself in that ending moment for him and felt good to have Peter back, even if I was going to miss Otto.
Art was consistently good to great. I really enjoyed Javier Rodriguez' stuff particularly. I'd say Ramos was the weak point, but I honestly liked his stuff quite a bit too.
Also, shout-out to Anna Maria. Great character. I have a feeling it's going to be very sad going into Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1, since I can't imagine that they'll stay together.
Anna Maria is still around and is amazing. I won't spoil what happens tho
still going strong in the current series. Slott told me shortly after superior that he loved writing her.
LordOfLore
Banned
Injustice beta registration is up!
Looking back, I have no idea what DC was thinking with that whole fiasco. I get trying to be different, but that was just...bad.
As someone who deals with anxiety, Jessica Cruz in general is a very relatable character. This week's issue was especially well done, you can tell Humphries is writing from a position of experience and really captured what the struggle is like.
CaptainofIndustry
Member
Superior Spider-Man finished!
What a remarkable run of superhero comics. The switch-up in tone and personality makes it always interesting. You never really know what's going to happen next, because it's not really something that's ever happened.
It was really a pretty bittersweet feeling by the end. Otto-Spidey was a very complex character, often very funny in his villainous dialogue and personality style, but never really getting a full understanding of what it means to be a hero. Maybe he didn't need to, but it was clear that he was going about it in a way that could have only ended badly (which it did). He really redeemed himself in that ending moment for him and felt good to have Peter back, even if I was going to miss Otto.
Art was consistently good to great. I really enjoyed Javier Rodriguez' stuff particularly. I'd say Ramos was the weak point, but I honestly liked his stuff quite a bit too.
Also, shout-out to Anna Maria. Great character. I have a feeling it's going to be very sad going into Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1, since I can't imagine that they'll stay together.
First thing, I love this picture.
Second. I loved this series. I want to reread the whole series again. It's one of my top 5 favorite superhero comics in recent memory. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
TetraxShards
Member
Hmmmmm.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
I may have to give it another try so. I'm an anxious person by nature myself.
Even if past issues didn't do a lot for you, I'd still recommend this one issue. It's not part of a larger story or anything, just a one and done "day in the life" story.
TetraxShards
Member
Oh, so it's just #15? Sweet. Bought! I shall read it on break tomorrow.
ANXM has improved, but he always writes Laura as someone who doesn't care about what happens to herself due to her healing factor.
Durrzerker
Banned
Worse, he writes her as someome who consciously and actively makes the worst decisions possible in order to thrillseek.
I have a rant related to this I wanna vent but am stuck on a phone atm. Will probably blindside the thread with it in an hour or two.
Freezasaurus
Member
I'm not quite clear on how this became my call, but...sure?
ELSA BLOODSTONE
LordOfLore
Banned
Yeah, Jessica's already one of my favs. Can see parts of myself in her...
Durrzerker
Banned
Gross
TetraxShards
Member
Freezasaurus
Member
Hey, that's a pretty good gif. A+
I'm just realizing now that Boom's WWE comic just started. Anyone read it?
Not the Legion of Monsters comics I hoped for, but I'll take it.
Not the Legion of Monsters comics I hoped for, but I'll take it.
We don't talk about wrestling just in case sillymonkey comes back.
It looks like Jen Bartel might be drawing something for it though. Also I think he was consumed by Overwatch.
LordOfLore
Banned
TetraxShards
Member
CaptainofIndustry
Member
Read the first 2 issues of Ether a few nights ago. I enjoyed it. I'll keep reading.
Durrzerker
Banned
OKAY RANT TIME. TIME TO CHECK OUT MY BEEF.
So my problem with All-New X-Men is that it just feels like Hopeless thinks a teen book HAS to have romantic drama, and he inexplicably chose Laura and Angel for that since they're the only couple on the team. The thing is, it couldn't possibly fit Laura less. On top of that, he seems to think Laura WANTS to be just like Logan, when in her entire history, it's been drilled again and again that she wants his respect and admiration, but not to copy him. She wants to carve out her own path. ANXM is decent outside of that, but every time Laura shows up, the comic drops from like a 6/10 to a 1/10 for me, and that's egregious when Laura is one of my top 5 comic book characters.
It's not that I find All-New Wolverine perfect, either. I've actually got some BIG HONKING ISSUES™ with it. But it gets the 'good' characters right. Taylor nails Laura's personality as a natural progression of her development so far. Gabby is great too. Where Taylor suffers, in my opinion, is writing villains. I literally don't think he's capable of writing anyone bad as more than a stereotype or mindless beast. I think that's true of Injustice, and it's true of All-New Wolverine. Just a look at the villains in ANW, in order of appearance:
Alchemax - Incompetent, hostile assholes who literally go out of their way to piss Laura off, and hire her to kill her own clones instead of someone who wouldn't get immediately emotionally attached. The entire plotline falls apart when you realize they could have just hired Taskmaster to take out the clones first. Yes, they still had to deal with Laura somehow, since she found the first clone, but hiring her to dispatch the others is -literally- the worst possible idea they could have come up with.
Taskmaster - An amoral mercenary who usually displays cleverness and lack of attachment, portrayed suddenly as an incredibly generic, 'I'm too powerful for you' villain right out of a Saturday cartoon. Compared to Laura's great writing, Tony was portrayed at literal Skeletor-tier.
I'm not even mad that Tony lost. Becoming a Taskmaster fan kinda requires you accept the jobbing parts of the deal. It's that he was incredibly out of character, showing zero degrees of risk aversion or his usual personality. And let's not even get into the blatant lies they told before the comic came out, about how Task would be Laura's biggest fight yet, and how him being Finesse's father would tie into the plot.
Kimura - A generic, invulnerable sadist with 0 depth or character development since her debut over a decade ago. Again, cartoon level villain.
Dr. Strange's Monster Closet - Monsters that literally can't talk, just cause random violence. There's nothing to write.
Fin Fang Foom - Primordial force of chaos, again, nothing to write. Sometimes Fin Fang Foom is portrayed as intelligent. Here? Absolutely not. He just roars.
Even Old Man Logan, when he went berserk, was perfectly well-written until OOPS MINDLESS RAGE.
This ties into my greater rant, so, sorry this is getting long, but the thing is, I love these Legacy heroes. I -adore- them. But they're almost all missing the same thing: a proper nemesis. This ties into a previous poster's point about a severe lack of up-and-coming villains. Miles has no Green Goblin. They were seemingly setting up Black Cat as his nemesis, but 1. Kind of a bad choice anyways and 2. She's pretty much become a nemesis for his -dad- now. Kamala has no arch-nemesis. She hasn't had a CHANCE to yet; Civil War II has been battering the hell out of her run. Sam-Nova? No one. Sam Wilson-Cap? No one.
I feel like Ewing's New Avengers was by far the strongest team book of younger heroes, and you know why? A lot of reasons, but one was they had clear, consistent villains. Evil Reed Richards plagued them from literally issue one, plus a good side plot with them battling SHIELD. Continuing from that, US Avengers is giving us Golden Skull, right off the bat, no fucking around.
Tying this back to Wolverine, Laura needs her Sabretooth, and Kimura is -definitely- not up to the task. When Laura was a scared, solitary teen, Kimura was a perfect bogeyman. But Laura's grown the hell up. She's too experienced, too capable, and has too many friends for Kimura - a shittier Luke Cage who can be seriously thrown off-balance with a flashbang - to be a real nemesis. She's not the villain Laura needs, but sadly, she's just the type Taylor specializes in; a two-dimensional sadist with no redeeming qualities.
Rant over, but yeah. I feel like we need a new wave of young, ambitious villains to challenge the new heroes, and until we get them, many runs will keep spinning their wheels.
So my problem with All-New X-Men is that it just feels like Hopeless thinks a teen book HAS to have romantic drama, and he inexplicably chose Laura and Angel for that since they're the only couple on the team. The thing is, it couldn't possibly fit Laura less. On top of that, he seems to think Laura WANTS to be just like Logan, when in her entire history, it's been drilled again and again that she wants his respect and admiration, but not to copy him. She wants to carve out her own path. ANXM is decent outside of that, but every time Laura shows up, the comic drops from like a 6/10 to a 1/10 for me, and that's egregious when Laura is one of my top 5 comic book characters.
It's not that I find All-New Wolverine perfect, either. I've actually got some BIG HONKING ISSUES™ with it. But it gets the 'good' characters right. Taylor nails Laura's personality as a natural progression of her development so far. Gabby is great too. Where Taylor suffers, in my opinion, is writing villains. I literally don't think he's capable of writing anyone bad as more than a stereotype or mindless beast. I think that's true of Injustice, and it's true of All-New Wolverine. Just a look at the villains in ANW, in order of appearance:
Alchemax - Incompetent, hostile assholes who literally go out of their way to piss Laura off, and hire her to kill her own clones instead of someone who wouldn't get immediately emotionally attached. The entire plotline falls apart when you realize they could have just hired Taskmaster to take out the clones first. Yes, they still had to deal with Laura somehow, since she found the first clone, but hiring her to dispatch the others is -literally- the worst possible idea they could have come up with.
Taskmaster - An amoral mercenary who usually displays cleverness and lack of attachment, portrayed suddenly as an incredibly generic, 'I'm too powerful for you' villain right out of a Saturday cartoon. Compared to Laura's great writing, Tony was portrayed at literal Skeletor-tier.
I'm not even mad that Tony lost. Becoming a Taskmaster fan kinda requires you accept the jobbing parts of the deal. It's that he was incredibly out of character, showing zero degrees of risk aversion or his usual personality. And let's not even get into the blatant lies they told before the comic came out, about how Task would be Laura's biggest fight yet, and how him being Finesse's father would tie into the plot.
Kimura - A generic, invulnerable sadist with 0 depth or character development since her debut over a decade ago. Again, cartoon level villain.
Dr. Strange's Monster Closet - Monsters that literally can't talk, just cause random violence. There's nothing to write.
Fin Fang Foom - Primordial force of chaos, again, nothing to write. Sometimes Fin Fang Foom is portrayed as intelligent. Here? Absolutely not. He just roars.
Even Old Man Logan, when he went berserk, was perfectly well-written until OOPS MINDLESS RAGE.
This ties into my greater rant, so, sorry this is getting long, but the thing is, I love these Legacy heroes. I -adore- them. But they're almost all missing the same thing: a proper nemesis. This ties into a previous poster's point about a severe lack of up-and-coming villains. Miles has no Green Goblin. They were seemingly setting up Black Cat as his nemesis, but 1. Kind of a bad choice anyways and 2. She's pretty much become a nemesis for his -dad- now. Kamala has no arch-nemesis. She hasn't had a CHANCE to yet; Civil War II has been battering the hell out of her run. Sam-Nova? No one. Sam Wilson-Cap? No one.
I feel like Ewing's New Avengers was by far the strongest team book of younger heroes, and you know why? A lot of reasons, but one was they had clear, consistent villains. Evil Reed Richards plagued them from literally issue one, plus a good side plot with them battling SHIELD. Continuing from that, US Avengers is giving us Golden Skull, right off the bat, no fucking around.
Tying this back to Wolverine, Laura needs her Sabretooth, and Kimura is -definitely- not up to the task. When Laura was a scared, solitary teen, Kimura was a perfect bogeyman. But Laura's grown the hell up. She's too experienced, too capable, and has too many friends for Kimura - a shittier Luke Cage who can be seriously thrown off-balance with a flashbang - to be a real nemesis. She's not the villain Laura needs, but sadly, she's just the type Taylor specializes in; a two-dimensional sadist with no redeeming qualities.
Rant over, but yeah. I feel like we need a new wave of young, ambitious villains to challenge the new heroes, and until we get them, many runs will keep spinning their wheels.