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COMICS! |OT| June 2016. The Manhattan Project
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BrightLightLava
Unconfirmed Member
That was my favorite sound effect joke so far.
Such a good series.
For anyone still on the fence, I'd say it's similar in tone to The Fix or Superior Foes, but with kids.
Tragicomedy
Member
Just finished the Ellis run on Moon Knight. Everything about this comic is just perfect. It's a shame he pulled an Ellis and left after one arc. Not even sure I'll continue.
I'm starting to watch Batman TAS. I watched the first seven or eight episodes awhile back but I wasn't giving it my 100% attention. It really is great. Feels like a step above other animated comic book shows. Great animation, art style, voice acting, and the music is unbelievably good!
The angel and devil sequence with Paige when she's hiding in the closet.
P: "I can't fight him he's an adult"
D: "Look in your hand. Stab him! Stab him in the junk!"
P: "I can't do that!"
D: "Sure you can!"
A: "Don't stab him Paige"
P: "I wasn't going to"
A: "You're smart and resourceful Paige. Light him on fire."
P: "I can't fight him he's an adult"
D: "Look in your hand. Stab him! Stab him in the junk!"
P: "I can't do that!"
D: "Sure you can!"
A: "Don't stab him Paige"
P: "I wasn't going to"
A: "You're smart and resourceful Paige. Light him on fire."
Also, if you didn't catch it the first time check out what the elements Walter is working with in the lab spell.
Primethius
Banned
Daredevil by Mark Waid (2011) #1-22
I really like the change in tone from the previous Daredevil runs. But I'm kinda dissapointed so far in how quickly some stuff gets rushed through in terms of interaction between characters, particularly some of the Foggy and Murdock stuff.
I really like the change in tone from the previous Daredevil runs. But I'm kinda dissapointed so far in how quickly some stuff gets rushed through in terms of interaction between characters, particularly some of the Foggy and Murdock stuff.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's Superior Paper Girls of Goonies
echoshifting
Banned
lol god damn at all the Marvel bashing. So I take it you guys don't like the Divided We Stand teaser, or something? Is that a good guess?
My own feelings are somewhat mixed.
I don't mind the frequent relaunches at all, especially because they're going to go back to just relaunching some books rather than the whole line, which is what they've been doing for years now. They've already indicated this isn't a ANAD situation. I'll almost always go back and check out a book when it gets a new #1, just to see if it's transformed into something I might enjoy. And I love getting new books to try out...especially when those books are trying something new with characters I might not otherwise have spared a thought for, in fact. Sometimes a creator comes in with a terrible take and the series turns out to be garbage (Hyperion). Other times, a creator comes in with an awesome take and the series becomes a favorite (Nighthawk). I appreciate their continuing willingness to experiment with B-listers, even C-listers. It stands in stark contrast to DC's extremely conservative Rebirth slate.
There are a lot of characters missing from this pic, and I assume that's because those books are in good shape and will go on as they have been (or in some cases will be unceremoniously canceled). Of course an image designed to promote a new slate of books is going to feature some strange character choices when this is the state of play. Why feature their hottest properties if those books don't need a relaunch boost (granted, working against this argument are a handful of characters with low issue counts in their current series, like Gwenpool or Steve-Cap, and characters doing fantastic sales numbers, like Black Panther, but I'd guess their presence here is to promote new team books rather than solos)?
And there are still several characters here worth getting excited about. The possibility of Odinson getting his own series is incredibly exciting to me. He's one of my favorite Marvel characters and while I love Jane Thor he has been missed. I think he can easily hold down a book on his own without the moniker or the hammer. Elektra and Gamora books? Hell yes, give me those right now. Kate-Hawkeye in the spotlight? That would be fantastic, All-New Hawkeye was a waste of her character. Iron Doom could turn out to be really cool. Glad Jessica Jones is getting some love. And I am dying to know what they are planning to do with Fin Fang Foom, if that is indeed him. Finally, a Ms. America solo would be AMAZING (though I'm not holding out too much hope that will actually come to pass). They're obviously doing some kind of Young Avengers (Defenders? Runaways?) thing here and that could turn out really cool. There are a lot of characters present here that would be perfect for that team (conveniently all stacked on the same side of the dividing line), and it could turn out to be a great book.
I can't, won't, defend their choice to put the spotlight on all of these characters. The death of Rhodey is still bullshit and I can't say I'm happy they are trotting out a new War Machine so quickly. Rhodey's death was a cynical move and the choice of his replacement seems no different to me. Deadpool's mercs are terrible and to have three of them featured here (without even sticking Deadpool himself in there!) seems like a massive overestimation of the power of his brand. Indeed, if any of these characters got a solo book I probably wouldn't even try it, and I try almost everything. I don't expect them to actually get solo books, but I'm unhappy to see them featured so prominently nonetheless. I'm still not excited at all about Synapse, and Prowler has always been a fucking terrible character (though that would be a prime example of an ongoing I'd be willing to try anyway just to see if the writer can prove me wrong). The near-complete lack of X-characters is a bummer, they really don't feel like they're part of the same universe anymore. And the fact that the Fantastic Four is still in deep hibernation is saddening, if not unexpected.
I'm super unhappy that this image seems to basically give away the ending of CWII. If Marvel had any respect at all for the story Bendis is telling, Iron Doom and Captain Marvel would not be featured in this image. As a reader I find that really shitty. The event isn't even half over yet. No, we don't know exactly how things will go down yet, but we know Carol comes out of it okay and Tony probably doesn't. That really sucks, and it's especially upsetting that they did it as part of a teaser people hated anyway.
I'm not going to try and take a stab at exactly what "Divided We Stand" means or how it is going to play out in the books. I think a lot of you are jumping the gun on this. We know literally nothing beyond "there is a division, these characters are on the one side and those characters are on the other side." Historically, the results and impact of these kinds of "fallout events" are pretty mixed. Dark Reign had a huge impact on many books and was actually much cooler than the event that preceded it. The Heroic Age had little impact on any books and went out like a wet fart. Marvel Now revitalized many books and concepts and kicked off one of the best Avengers runs of all time. Perhaps we shouldn't jump to conclusions about how this is going to play out, how much impact it will have or how interesting it will be? Just saying.
I think Marvel's biggest problem right now is a lack of a cohesive vision for their universe. Yes, as others have noted, the absence of Hickman and Remender is still deeply felt across the entire line. They have plenty of talent but nobody at the wheel. The thing is, with Johns gone I think DC is in the same place. I've read almost all of the Rebirth books that have launched thus far, and there is clearly no mandate or vision for how the Rebirth event is going to actually impact these characters. Some books, like Green Arrow and Aquaman, are proceeding as though absolutely nothing has happened. Other books, like Titans, are dealing with the Rebirth stuff more directly. The potential ramifications for everyone getting their memories back don't seem particularly well thought out, and that is reflected in some of the books simply enjoying their fresh #1s and ignoring what happened in Rebirth for as long as they possibly can.
In both cases, though, I think it goes without saying that a lack of line-wide cohesive vision does not mean that individual books cannot flourish on their own, perhaps even better than they would be otherwise. Marvel is putting out a BUNCH of incredible books right now, and there are lot of bright spots in CWII thus far (though obviously some shit as well and some crappy derails of otherwise good books). I've been pleasantly surprised by many of the Rebirth books I've read, and I'm looking forward to reading more of them. In Marvel's case, specifically, I honestly don't even think we need some driving force at the center of the line like Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers for a long, long time. Like...let's take a moment to take a few breaths. Those books and the events they spawned were incredibly epic, so epic in fact that they sucked every single book into their vortex eventually, and perhaps what's best for the line right now is smaller stories and more compartmentalization for awhile. That's what they seemed to be aiming for with ANAD and what they seem to be continuing with this new line of Marvel Now books.
Consider me cautiously optimistic.
My own feelings are somewhat mixed.
I don't mind the frequent relaunches at all, especially because they're going to go back to just relaunching some books rather than the whole line, which is what they've been doing for years now. They've already indicated this isn't a ANAD situation. I'll almost always go back and check out a book when it gets a new #1, just to see if it's transformed into something I might enjoy. And I love getting new books to try out...especially when those books are trying something new with characters I might not otherwise have spared a thought for, in fact. Sometimes a creator comes in with a terrible take and the series turns out to be garbage (Hyperion). Other times, a creator comes in with an awesome take and the series becomes a favorite (Nighthawk). I appreciate their continuing willingness to experiment with B-listers, even C-listers. It stands in stark contrast to DC's extremely conservative Rebirth slate.
There are a lot of characters missing from this pic, and I assume that's because those books are in good shape and will go on as they have been (or in some cases will be unceremoniously canceled). Of course an image designed to promote a new slate of books is going to feature some strange character choices when this is the state of play. Why feature their hottest properties if those books don't need a relaunch boost (granted, working against this argument are a handful of characters with low issue counts in their current series, like Gwenpool or Steve-Cap, and characters doing fantastic sales numbers, like Black Panther, but I'd guess their presence here is to promote new team books rather than solos)?
And there are still several characters here worth getting excited about. The possibility of Odinson getting his own series is incredibly exciting to me. He's one of my favorite Marvel characters and while I love Jane Thor he has been missed. I think he can easily hold down a book on his own without the moniker or the hammer. Elektra and Gamora books? Hell yes, give me those right now. Kate-Hawkeye in the spotlight? That would be fantastic, All-New Hawkeye was a waste of her character. Iron Doom could turn out to be really cool. Glad Jessica Jones is getting some love. And I am dying to know what they are planning to do with Fin Fang Foom, if that is indeed him. Finally, a Ms. America solo would be AMAZING (though I'm not holding out too much hope that will actually come to pass). They're obviously doing some kind of Young Avengers (Defenders? Runaways?) thing here and that could turn out really cool. There are a lot of characters present here that would be perfect for that team (conveniently all stacked on the same side of the dividing line), and it could turn out to be a great book.
I can't, won't, defend their choice to put the spotlight on all of these characters. The death of Rhodey is still bullshit and I can't say I'm happy they are trotting out a new War Machine so quickly. Rhodey's death was a cynical move and the choice of his replacement seems no different to me. Deadpool's mercs are terrible and to have three of them featured here (without even sticking Deadpool himself in there!) seems like a massive overestimation of the power of his brand. Indeed, if any of these characters got a solo book I probably wouldn't even try it, and I try almost everything. I don't expect them to actually get solo books, but I'm unhappy to see them featured so prominently nonetheless. I'm still not excited at all about Synapse, and Prowler has always been a fucking terrible character (though that would be a prime example of an ongoing I'd be willing to try anyway just to see if the writer can prove me wrong). The near-complete lack of X-characters is a bummer, they really don't feel like they're part of the same universe anymore. And the fact that the Fantastic Four is still in deep hibernation is saddening, if not unexpected.
I'm super unhappy that this image seems to basically give away the ending of CWII. If Marvel had any respect at all for the story Bendis is telling, Iron Doom and Captain Marvel would not be featured in this image. As a reader I find that really shitty. The event isn't even half over yet. No, we don't know exactly how things will go down yet, but we know Carol comes out of it okay and Tony probably doesn't. That really sucks, and it's especially upsetting that they did it as part of a teaser people hated anyway.
I'm not going to try and take a stab at exactly what "Divided We Stand" means or how it is going to play out in the books. I think a lot of you are jumping the gun on this. We know literally nothing beyond "there is a division, these characters are on the one side and those characters are on the other side." Historically, the results and impact of these kinds of "fallout events" are pretty mixed. Dark Reign had a huge impact on many books and was actually much cooler than the event that preceded it. The Heroic Age had little impact on any books and went out like a wet fart. Marvel Now revitalized many books and concepts and kicked off one of the best Avengers runs of all time. Perhaps we shouldn't jump to conclusions about how this is going to play out, how much impact it will have or how interesting it will be? Just saying.
I think Marvel's biggest problem right now is a lack of a cohesive vision for their universe. Yes, as others have noted, the absence of Hickman and Remender is still deeply felt across the entire line. They have plenty of talent but nobody at the wheel. The thing is, with Johns gone I think DC is in the same place. I've read almost all of the Rebirth books that have launched thus far, and there is clearly no mandate or vision for how the Rebirth event is going to actually impact these characters. Some books, like Green Arrow and Aquaman, are proceeding as though absolutely nothing has happened. Other books, like Titans, are dealing with the Rebirth stuff more directly. The potential ramifications for everyone getting their memories back don't seem particularly well thought out, and that is reflected in some of the books simply enjoying their fresh #1s and ignoring what happened in Rebirth for as long as they possibly can.
In both cases, though, I think it goes without saying that a lack of line-wide cohesive vision does not mean that individual books cannot flourish on their own, perhaps even better than they would be otherwise. Marvel is putting out a BUNCH of incredible books right now, and there are lot of bright spots in CWII thus far (though obviously some shit as well and some crappy derails of otherwise good books). I've been pleasantly surprised by many of the Rebirth books I've read, and I'm looking forward to reading more of them. In Marvel's case, specifically, I honestly don't even think we need some driving force at the center of the line like Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers for a long, long time. Like...let's take a moment to take a few breaths. Those books and the events they spawned were incredibly epic, so epic in fact that they sucked every single book into their vortex eventually, and perhaps what's best for the line right now is smaller stories and more compartmentalization for awhile. That's what they seemed to be aiming for with ANAD and what they seem to be continuing with this new line of Marvel Now books.
Consider me cautiously optimistic.
Why is DC being brought up when they are winning it atm. the marvel jokes are warranted the same way DC jokes were warranted. Marvel better take some notes real quick because "Divided" is not a good logo to start off a soft relaunch.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Okay.
Okay, hang on wait.
I think I'm about to take everything I said back.
If Marvel is going to personify the very real divide between the young generation and the old shrivs trying to burn it all to the ground before they die the fuck out, then I am 100000000% on board. If that really stands consistently throughout the entire line, THAT would be really incredible, and it would actually reflect contemporary culture in a typically def Marvel way.
I don't know why I didn't catch on to it before, but this could really be amazing. The Avengers cover on the latest Previews definitely tracks with this, with Nova, Kamala, and Miles burning their Avengers IDs.
Fuck. 4000 Kid Heroes Walk Into A Bank.
Okay, hang on wait.
I think I'm about to take everything I said back.
If Marvel is going to personify the very real divide between the young generation and the old shrivs trying to burn it all to the ground before they die the fuck out, then I am 100000000% on board. If that really stands consistently throughout the entire line, THAT would be really incredible, and it would actually reflect contemporary culture in a typically def Marvel way.
I don't know why I didn't catch on to it before, but this could really be amazing. The Avengers cover on the latest Previews definitely tracks with this, with Nova, Kamala, and Miles burning their Avengers IDs.
Fuck. 4000 Kid Heroes Walk Into A Bank.
But we know nothing about the soft relaunch.
Its like back then when Secret War was about to start and everything sounded super horrible, and even then we had more things to base a feeling on.
Its nothing new to the internet, but I grow more and more by annoyed this attitude. "We know nothing but pretty sure its shit".
This said, its maybe allowed to be sceptical after ANAD.
echo is right, an image says little about what's coming. When we saw the DC Rebirth image, some people thought Gotham Academy and Prez were out.
I say DC needs to light a fire under Marvel's ass which might happen unless Panther sells more than Batman.
I find it funny Rebirth is about hope and getting together to fight back while Marvel is doing EVERYONE IS DIVIDED.
I say DC needs to light a fire under Marvel's ass which might happen unless Panther sells more than Batman.
I find it funny Rebirth is about hope and getting together to fight back while Marvel is doing EVERYONE IS DIVIDED.
Dc is already lighting a fire under that ass.
marvel just keeps doing the same heroes against heroes bit.
Has the May sales figures come out? Marvel is just ignorant of what fans want...HOLY SHIT, IT'S THE WWE.
Mangoverboard
Banned
Doom is Iron Man now?
I dont pay attention to comics for one month and this happens
I dont pay attention to comics for one month and this happens
We dont know yet
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I should clarify I unequivocally love:
Squirrell
Howard
Spider-Gwen
Spider-Woman
Spider-Man
Iron Man(s)
All New Wolverine
Old Man Logan
Gwenpool
Deadpool
Uncanny Avengers
All New Avengers
Ultimates
Black Panther
Doctor Strange
Ms. Marvel
Thor
Daredevil.
I am actually considering going through the whole line and figuring out how many books I actually love. I think the cesspool of X-Men and Inhumans makes me think the whole line stinks when most of it is actually amazing. Iunno.
But comparing it to Rebirth, ALL is better than MOST, math-wise.
RepairmanJack
Member
My problem with Marvel is how formulaic their structure feels lately. Their books can be great and fresh and full of stuff we love but it all ends up frustrating and annoying when you know there is just a crossover or an event around the corner to bring the books to a grinding halt or at least lose momentum as they have tie-ins or forced shake-ups. They just don't seem to let stuff breathe because they have found this magic formula and they don't show any sign of coming off of it for a while. We're at most 10 issues in to some of ANAD? I don't want to look forward to big shake up or change in status-quo.
Most of the soft relaunches between Marvel Now and ANAD werenr that big shake ups for every book every time either.
It depends on the writer. Waid only sidetracked when DD had a tie in to Sin. Arron is just flat out ignoring CW2. Squirrel Girl and Howard had to wait after Secret Wars to finish their books.
Basically, it's the writer who has a say. Leth could ignore CW2 but opted to tie in with Hellcat while stuff like Punisher, Moon Knight and Soule Daredevil are just ignoring it.
Kelly Sue DeConnick Confirmed this. The writers can skip Tie-Ins if they want. It just sounded like nobody really knows this when she told this last year.
echoshifting
Banned
This criticism is largely fair, especially regarding tie ins. Marvel has a serious tie in problem. Vastly preferable are event minis like CWII: ASM and CWII: X-Men that show how the character was affected by the event via an optional mini you could totally skip, and you get to keep enjoying what the main book is doing even if you choose to completely skip the event.
Unfortunately there's just no way they could do that with all of their books, but I do question the wisdom of doing a tie in with so many books. This is a longstanding issue for Marvel, one I don't see them fixing anytime soon.
As far as shakeups go, I think it depends on the book. I expect Ms. Marvel will continue on as it has despite having to suffer some tie in issues, for instance. Avengers books, though...you just kinda have to expect that that's part of the book these days, for better or worse. It's part of the deal.
Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It wouldnt be a problem if they had found a proper replacement for Brubaker, Fraction, Hickman, Remender, and Gillen leaving
whatsinaname
Member
I mean, how is that different from the numerous DC events/crossovers that pissed me off during my New 52 read? Both companies are guilty of the same thing.
They seem to be going at the same rate since 2010.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_history_of_DC_Comics_crossover_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_history_of_Marvel_Comics_crossover_events
Oh god the Culling...
I give Bendis shit at times but at least he didn't think of anything close to Culling.
RepairmanJack
Member
Most of my larger following of Marvel came after ANAD. Beforehand I was only really following ASM, USM and Howard. It felt like nothing could just happen. It's why I think I like Superior SM so much because it seemed like the most consecutive story without many hickups. Even though there were some they just didn't seem as effective.
Oh I'm not comparing at all. I'm just getting back into Comics as a whole and I think DC has a whole list of problems itself. I've just gotten more frustrated with marvel because it always seems to have the highest possibilities but also ends up the most frustrating.
Future Foundation
Member
echoshifting
Banned
ehhh, they may have roughly the same number of events but Marvel seems to do a lot more tie in issues that interrupt the stories of their books. Perhaps that's just my perception as a Marvel reader, but I did keep up with N52 partway through Forever Evil and other than Villains Month it seemed like it was pretty easy to avoid the event despite the huge impact it was having on the universe.
Punisher at #3? Wowsa
It could go either way with June as Batman and Civil War just started. Also, both sides still keeping their digital sales under wraps.
echoshifting
Banned
Definitely some surprises in that list. Can't believe how well Punisher did, and the Scooby Doo book almost cracked the top 10? Wow. Kind of a big drop for Black Panther, I hope it stabilizes.
Marvel stays winning overall, but everything could change with the June numbers. Really excited to see those.
edit: Moon Knight at 281, jesus
That's really a shame.edit2: Marvel cannot possibly be happy with the numbers for any of the Avengers books. I wonder if creative team shakeups are coming.
DC will triumph next month. There is no way this wont happen.Definitely some surprises in that list. Can't believe how well Punisher did, and the Scooby Doo book almost cracked the top 10? Wow. Kind of a big drop for Black Panther, I hope it stabilizes.
Marvel stays winning overall, but everything could change with the June numbers. Really excited to see those.
edit: Moon Knight at 281, jesus
Definitely some surprises in that list. Can't believe how well Punisher did, and the Scooby Doo book almost cracked the top 10? Wow. Kind of a big drop for Black Panther, I hope it stabilizes.
Marvel stays winning overall, but everything could change with the June numbers. Really excited to see those.
edit: Moon Knight at 281, jesus
That's 1 which was in April, #2 is in the 30s.
echoshifting
Banned
Vic_Viper
Member
Does Marvel Unlimited and/or In Stock Trades ever offer discount promo codes other than a free month maybe for MU?
Still trying to decide if I should pick up the 52 omnibus
I already own it digitally but it doesn't compare to holding it in your hands. I'm either getting it or the first 2 Goon library editions. Haven't read either.Hamilton books has the Seven Soldiers HC from Grant Morrison for 11.95$ each. Is that a good deal?
Btw, when does IST get the Deadly Class Deluxe HC? It's listed on Amazon for 7/12. Is it the same for IST?
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
You hit on all my favorites.
Ewing is really good but none of the ex-DC superstars they poached are cutting it except King and DC made him exclusive.
Rebirth selling like crack. we didn't have rebirth for a week and Benji almost lost it
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
But guys, what about Valiant
echoshifting
Banned
The question to me is not whether or not they will triumph, obviously they are going to be featured in the top 10 more than usual with basically two #1s dropping for all their books. I'm more interested in how well the one-shot sales translate into people also picking up #1s, how disruptive the 2.99 price point seems to be, whether or not books that have traditionally struggled to crack the top 10 or even the top 20 will get a boost, etc.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Well Britannia looks/sounds cool. So they got that going for them.
Faith is good, that's it.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Who?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Basically. Bunn, Spencer, Lemire, and them boys are jobbers.
No Power Man and Iron Fist? For shame!