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[Poodlestrike]

Batgirl, Batwoman. Just copped a name. No bat broke through their window, didn't fall into a cave full of bats.

That was always kinda weird to me, especially with how Kane seems to have a fair amount of distaste for Batman.

A lot of new fans think she's too good for Ollie.

If you mean Tumblr types, they have terrible sense for good relationships. Best to ignore them.

Ollie's book is kind of a disaster though.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Peter Milligan

IN 2016

my tears right now

 

[Sadist]

They're going to edit the shit out of that story.

They might, but it won't be cut to ribbons or anything. They released The Flashpoint Paradox and Gods & Monsters after all.

I remember a rumour where Warner Bros. gave the ok for an R-rated Killing Joke...

I really hope they keep it faithful to the original story. The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 and 2 are pretty neat.

 

[tim1138]

Yep.

Did he used to be a good thing?

Shade the Changing Man says yes

 

[Zombine]

That Discipline comic was hot garbage. The art was ok (I thought the cover was great, most of the reason I bought it), but the story was awful terrible bad.

 

[Brian Fellows]

Shade the Changing Man says yes

I figured he'd done something good since I saw a bunch of people buying the book based on his name alone.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Net_Wrecker mentioned that rule that after you write a masterpiece, you get a lifetime pass for trash. Curtis Hanson wrote/directed L.A. Confidential, which is Excellent, so even if the rest of his career is *gameproffavatarquote* you can still say, "the nigga wrote L.A. Confidential tho..."

Peter Milligan has top 10 comic of all-time "Enigma" in his back pocket, along with like a hundred other great comics(Shade, Face, Human Target, The Extremist, Girl, Hebllazer, X-Statix, Flowers for Rhino, Bad Company, Johnny Nemo, Skin, etc). So no matter how trash his current comic is, you can all always say, "that's fine tho, cuz this nigga wrote Enigma"

 

[Owzers]

Trump is losing today's caucuses...cauci, to Cruz. This is awful.

Ted Cruz. The worst.

 

[TetraxShards]

Trump is losing today's caucuses...cauci, to Cruz today. This is awful.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Trump is losing today's caucuses...cauci, to Cruz. This is awful.

Ted Cruz. The worst.

 

[tim1138]

Perfect

 

[VanWinkle]

I know little about older comics, like golden and silver age stuff. I was looking at some Neal Adams Batman pages from his 70's run, and noticed that literally EVERY SINGLE line that wasn't a question ended in an exclamation point. I didn't see a single normal sentence with a period at the end. Is that normal for that era? It just feels like it would get really annoying to read.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

I know little about older comics, like golden and silver age stuff. I was looking at some Neal Adams Batman pages from his 70's run, and noticed that literally EVERY SINGLE line that wasn't a question ended in an exclamation point. I didn't see a single normal sentence with a period at the end. Is that normal for that era? It just feels like it would get really annoying to read.

Yea that was a thing all books did.

 

[VanWinkle]

Yea that was a thing all books did.

That's so bizarre. Like, was there a reason behind that?

 

[Poodlestrike]

That's so bizarre. Like, was there a reason behind that?

Exclamation points = excitement = exciting dialogue.

 

[MartyStu]

So, here's a thought, what if they finally give Barbra a Nightwing-style upgrade? Have her move past being Batgirl, but not past being a costumed hero.

Been waiting fro this to happen for years.

It is not going to happen though. ESPECIALLY with how much some seem to like Burnside Batgirl.

 

[VanWinkle]

Exclamation points = excitement = exciting dialogue.

But it's literally constant, lol.

 

[Owzers]

Exclamation points = excitement = exciting dialogue.

That's what they told me too.

 

[TetraxShards]

That's so bizarre. Like, was there a reason behind that?

Comics were aimed squarely at children in those days.

 

[VanWinkle]

Comics were aimed squarely at children in those days.

It makes it harder to read. The writing has improved/matured so much in the last couple of decades.

 

[Owzers]

It makes it harder to read. The writing has improved/matured so much in the last couple of decades.

I tend to avoid older comics, Kraven's Last Hunt was one of the few that i tried and ended up liking and that wasn't even that old. Narration boxes did me in usually.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I know little about older comics, like golden and silver age stuff. I was looking at some Neal Adams Batman pages from his 70's run, and noticed that literally EVERY SINGLE line that wasn't a question ended in an exclamation point. I didn't see a single normal sentence with a period at the end. Is that normal for that era? It just feels like it would get really annoying to read.

Comics of that time modeled themselves after radio dramas and pulp adventure novellas. Very bombastic, lots of explaining stuff to make it easy to understand.

 

[VanWinkle]

Comics of that time modeled themselves after radio dramas and pulp adventure novellas. Very bombastic, lots of explaining stuff to make it easy to understand.

To me, it's so unfortunate. I look at Neal Adams's art and paneling and everything and it's AMAZING! It holds up really well. But then I see that narration and the constant exclamation points and sometimes cheesy dialogue and it just holds it down so much.

I'm still going to get the Neal Adams Omnibus, though, and just keep an open mind with this writing style. I'm not really interested in the Batman Odyssey story since everyone seems to hate it, but this omni is still cheaper than buying the three Batman Illustrated by Neal Adams volumes.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

To me, it's so unfortunate. I look at Neal Adams's art and paneling and everything and it's AMAZING! It holds up really well. But then I see that narration and the constant exclamation points and sometimes cheesy dialogue and it just holds it down so much.

I'm still going to get the Neal Adams Omnibus, though, and just keep an open mind with this writing style. I'm not really interested in the Batman Odyssey story since everyone seems to hate it, but this omni is still cheaper than buying the three Batman Illustrated by Neal Adams volumes.

It's something if you stick with it you adapt and it starts to bother you less. But it was the style of the times and yes writing as a whole has improved by introducing a diverse and varied styles. But it also came with some price

1) comics back then were designed for self contained stories in one issue. So things moved snappy with hints of longer arcs. Ala procedural tv of today
2) designed that a kid could get all the info of characters, powers, etc from any issue. They weren't sold in specialty stores with tons of back issues, trades, etc. every comic was to be as new reader friendly as possible.

But just like today where some is great and some isn't. The same holds true with the classics. And you learn to skim dialogue and especially exposition boxes when it's all recap stuff

Some writers kept that style for a long time. Claremont was always one of the longest holdouts of the old style.
I still really enjoy reading the old classics but it's an acquired taste. When I first got into comics I would have probably hates them.

 

[VanWinkle]

It's something if you stick with it you adapt and it starts to bother you less. But it was the style of the times and yes writing as a whole has improved by introducing a diverse and varied styles. But it also came with some price

1) comics back then were designed for self contained stories in one issue. So things moved snappy with hints of longer arcs. Ala procedural tv of today
2) designed that a kid could get all the info of characters, powers, etc from any issue. They weren't sold in specialty stores with tons of back issues, trades, etc. every comic was to be as new reader friendly as possible.

But just like today where some is great and some isn't. The same holds true with the classics. And you learn to skim dialogue and especially exposition boxes when it's all recap stuff

Some writers kept that style for a long time. Claremont was always one of the longest holdouts of the old style.
I still really enjoy reading the old classics but it's an acquired taste. When I first got into comics I would have probably hates them.

Very helpful post. Thanks.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Trump is losing today's caucuses...cauci, to Cruz. This is awful.

Ted Cruz. The worst.

Based on things I've read about him, I feel like Ted Cruz is the type that has a secret torture room in his home.

 

[Zombine]

Based on things I've read about him, I feel like Ted Cruz is the type that has a secret torture room in his home.

I do too. Except mine has a chair and I tie people down and read them my favorite Millar comics.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Just saw a furry going to see Zootopia at my theater. Had a wolf mask on and everything. My life is complete.

 

[whatsinaname]

So many comics read and I still don't understant the random bolding!

 

[TetraxShards]

So many comics read and I still don't understant the random bolding!

I always figured that was for emphasis, since speech bubbles don't use italics.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I do too. Except mine has a chair and I tie people down and read them my favorite Millar comics.

Monsters EVERYWHERE.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

So many comics read and I still don't understant the random bolding!

"What? Is it because I'm a girl?"

Oh shit! SEXISM!

 

[Owzers]

So many comics read and I still don't understant the random bolding!

Trump should be president.

Trump should be president.

Trump should be president.

Trump should be president.

 

[whatsinaname]

I always figured that was for emphasis, since speech bubbles don't use italics.

It's just so poorly done and/or overused at times it feels random.

 

[shingi70]

So what I miss?

 

[Owzers]

So what I miss?

Rockets/Bulls tonight, Cruz winning at least two primaries today, i'm almost done with the Spider-Gwen issues on MU, and I laugh whenever Marvel announces a new random spider book. Web Warriors, Spider Stranglers, Arachnagirl Squad.

also my headphones when playing ps4 crackle.

 

[Freezasaurus]

So what I miss?

You missed the beginning of A World Without Messi: A ComicGAF Event.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

You missed the beginning of A World Without Messi: A ComicGAF Event.

House of M.

Messi was the Scarlet Witch all the time

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

House of M.

I meant to say "No, more Messi."

 

[Calcium]

House of M.

Messi was the Scarlet Witch all the time

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I meant to say "No, more Messi."

LOL!

 

[VanWinkle]

I wonder how many times Messi has been reading the thread and wanting soooo badly to respond.

 

[Calcium]

I wonder how many times Messi has been reading the thread and wanting soooo badly to respond.

It's probably a constant struggle. Instead of posting he just takes whatever he'd say to us and directs it toward his folder of Olivia Wilde gifs.

 

[frye]

There's a Pete Milligan comic from 1993 called The Extremist and it's got like half the exact same premise as The Discipline (some chick discovers a secret sex cult) except it has 1) Pete Milligan from 1993 and 2) Ted McKeever going for it

Net_Wrecker mentioned that rule that after you write a masterpiece, you get a lifetime pass for trash. Curtis Hanson wrote/directed L.A. Confidential, which is Excellent, so even if the rest of his career is *gameproffavatarquote* you can still say, "the nigga wrote L.A. Confidential tho..."

Peter Milligan has top 10 comic of all-time "Enigma" in his back pocket, along with like a hundred other great comics(Shade, Face, Human Target, The Extremist, Girl, Hebllazer, X-Statix, Flowers for Rhino, Bad Company, Johnny Nemo, Skin, etc). So no matter how trash his current comic is, you can all always say, "that's fine tho, cuz this nigga wrote Enigma"

More than any other writer Milligan lives and dies by the artist. And it's not even the quality of the artist, it's the artist themselves (like, if it's not Allred, McCarthy, Ewins, Fegredo, Hewlett, Bachalo, or Javier Pulido there's a 90% chance it's not worth the time you spent reading it)

 

[Tyrant Rave]

Net_Wrecker mentioned that rule that after you write a masterpiece, you get a lifetime pass for trash. Curtis Hanson wrote/directed L.A. Confidential, which is Excellent, so even if the rest of his career is *gameproffavatarquote* you can still say, "the nigga wrote L.A. Confidential tho..."

this is a really great post

 

[ViewtifulJC]

So many comics read and I still don't understant the random bolding!

David Lapham says he reads old comics out loud to his wife and puts the emphasis on the bold words just so she hear how random/unnatural the emphasis are.

 

[mreddie]

 

[frye]

reupload that homie

 

[mreddie]

reupload that homie

Not showing up?

 

[Zombine]

I own Casanova and I have never read it.