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Kipp

but I am taking tiny steps forward
WOW. Just finished Manhattan Projects #5. That one's getting added to my desert island single issues list for sure.
That issue was just incredible. The plot moved forward so incredibly fast and so much happened.
I had thought that alien race was going to be something that continued for the rest of the series, or at least a full story arc, but no. Meet aliens, figure out that they intend to destroy earth, create a means of getting to the alien planet, destroy entire species. All in one issue. And done in an absolutely brilliant, entertaining, engrossing way that didn't seem one bit too dense. Incredible.
Also, that quote by the one alien who was a different species who lived was so good. "But by all measurements, the first extraplanetary odyssey initiated by your world ending in the genocide of a species... Not the best way to make your mark in the cosmos."

Also, I got some serious Fear Agent vibes. Which is definitely a compliment. Kinda got me wanting to reread that sometime soon.
And Nick Pitarra can draw some fantastic aliens!

Man. This is some stellar stuff.
Tim, your recommendation on this was spot on.

I need to buy the HC,, I have the first TPB.

Also Kipp,, love the avatar. How do I get my avatar to have no background like that

I highly recommend that you do. So good.

And thanks! If you delete the background in Photoshop or a similar program and then save it as a PNG (JPG by default changes no background to a white background IIRC), you can have no background on an embedded image.

I prefer the long runs. However yesterday when I was walking around the comic store the omnibus' were all around £75-85+ (that's daaaaamn expensive). I don't know if it's just like that because it's the UK or if it was that particular store.

In that case, I'd highly, highly recommend checking out both Doom Patrol and Hellboy. Both are entirely self-contained, requiring no knowledge of anything else. Just start at the beginning of either and you're good to go.
There is a Doom Patrol omnibus (collecting the whole series) or large hardcover Hellboy collections (collecting 300-400-ish pages of Hellboy) if you want to drop a lot of money at once, but each of those series are also collected in cheap TPBs, which you could just pick up one at a time and avoid putting too much of a strain on your wallet.
 
I really wish I could see this different layer of reality that you guys do. Honestly I do. Because all I see is a very skilled artist who I'd assume has declared a war against contiguous lines.
 
I'll say it again: he's basically Quitely but with a dash of Allred's pop-art inspiration. He kinda was the perfect partner for Morrison on Batman.

The best thing about Burnham on Morrison's Batman was that he such a fanboy of the run and Batman in general. He knows that when Morrison writes "Talia kicks a tree training", he's gonna draw it mirroring Bruce's training via Mazzuchelli with Year One.

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Or when Dick and Damian leap into action one last time, he'll add the BOOM BOOM Quitely explosion sound effect that started their run together and the little Adam West POW sound effects


But he's really just good at everything. Unique page layouts that help and not hinder the storytelling, choreography, characterization and body language, he's the best.
 

tim1138

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WOW. Just finished Manhattan Projects #5. That one's getting added to my desert island single issues list for sure.
That issue was just incredible. The plot moved forward so incredibly fast and so much happened.
I had thought that alien race was going to be something that continued for the rest of the series, or at least a full story arc, but no. Meet aliens, figure out that they intend to destroy earth, create a means of getting to the alien planet, destroy entire species. All in one issue. And done in an absolutely brilliant, entertaining, engrossing way that didn't seem one bit too dense. Incredible.
Also, that quote by the one alien who was a different species who lived was so good. "But by all measurements, the first extraplanetary odyssey initiated by your world ending in the genocide of a species... Not the best way to make your mark in the cosmos."

Also, I got some serious Fear Agent vibes. Which is definitely a compliment. Kinda got me wanting to reread that sometime soon.
And Nick Pitarra can draw some fantastic aliens!

Man. This is some stellar stuff.
Tim, your recommendation on this was spot on.

I'm glad you're enjoying it, there's a reason it's my favorite book.
I left it off my desert island list because there was really no one issue I could pull out to standalone, if I only had one issue it'd be like torture not being able to read the rest. I can't wait to see what you think of the last issue in the hardcover (which coincidentally is the first Ryan Browne issue and I have an interesting story about it).
 
Halfway impressions of Ray Fawkes One Soul. This book is written and drawn by Fawkes. First and foremost, the dedication page reads:

"To Dorian our beloved son, born and died March 13th, 2010. In Memoriam. "

With that said, you know the state of mind of the writer but it's not a depressing tale, so far. Each page contains 9 panels, with each double page and each panel telling a story of an individual character for a total of 18 characters running in sequence. These characters come from different time periods and different cultures. It's hard to follow at first but by 25 pages are so, you start to follow everything quite nicely. Its a beutiful book so far. I'll write my end book impressions when I'm done but I just have to say that this book is already recommended and really experiments with the medium. This is the closest thing to comic poetry.

Edit - also thanks for those examples JC, so good!
 

Kipp

but I am taking tiny steps forward
The best thing about Burnham on Morrison's Batman was that he such a fanboy of the run and Batman in general. He knows that when Morrison writes "Talia kicks a tree training", he's gonna draw it mirroring Bruce's training via Mazzuchelli with Year One.

Or when Dick and Damian leap into action one last time, he'll add the BOOM BOOM Quitely explosion sound effect that started their run together and the little Adam West POW sound effects

But he's really just good at everything. Unique page layouts that help and not hinder the storytelling, choreography, characterization and body language, he's the best.

So good. I hadn't caught those references when I read it. The Batman Inc Absolute Edition is gonna be so amazing. I only read Batman Inc the once, so I'm just excited to reread it in general.

I'm glad you're enjoying it, there's a reason it's my favorite book.
I left it off my desert island list because there was really no one issue I could pull out to standalone, if I only had one issue it'd be like torture not being able to read the rest. I can't wait to see what you think of the last issue in the hardcover (which coincidentally is the first Ryan Browne issue and I have an interesting story about it).

Haha. Understandable.
And I'll definitely share my thoughts when I get there!
 
Halfway impressions of Ray Fawkes One Soul. This book is written and drawn by Fawkes. First and foremost, the dedication page reads:

"To Dorian our beloved son, born and died March 13th, 2010. In Memoriam. "

With that said, you know the state of mind of the writer but it's not a depressing tale, so far. Each page contains 9 panels, with each double page and each panel telling a story of an individual character for a total of 18 characters running in sequence. These characters come from different time periods and different cultures. It's hard to follow at first but by 25 pages are so, you start to follow everything quite nicely. Its a beutiful book so far. I'll write my end book impressions when I'm done but I just have to say that this book is already recommended and really experiments with the medium. This is the closest thing to comic poetry.

Edit - also thanks for those examples JC, so good!
I bought this book based on your previous Fawkes review a while back. I still need to read them but the premise sounds fantastic
 

Kipp

but I am taking tiny steps forward
Halfway impressions of Ray Fawkes One Soul. This book is written and drawn by Fawkes. First and foremost, the dedication page reads:

"To Dorian our beloved son, born and died March 13th, 2010. In Memoriam. "

With that said, you know the state of mind of the writer but it's not a depressing tale, so far. Each page contains 9 panels, with each double page and each panel telling a story of an individual character for a total of 18 characters running in sequence. These characters come from different time periods and different cultures. It's hard to follow at first but by 25 pages are so, you start to follow everything quite nicely. Its a beutiful book so far. I'll write my end book impressions when I'm done but I just have to say that this book is already recommended and really experiments with the medium. This is the closest thing to comic poetry.

I picked that up at the library a few months back and tried really hard to get into it because I know Tim liked it and someone else too, I think. I tried reading it twice, and the furthest I managed to get was about 1/3rd through it. It just wasn't doing anything for me. His art did absolutely nothing for me and the fairly simplistic story just wouldn't hold my attention. That was compounded by the fact that I had a giant stack of other books from the library that I really wanted to read right beside me, so I didn't have much motivation to continue on with something I wasn't really feeling.

But with that said, I thought the concept was fascinating. I'm really glad that it worked for Tim and it's working for you, because it's a brilliant idea. Unfortunately it just didn't click for me. I'm interested to hear your thoughts when you finish reading it though!

Please don't hate me, Tim.
 

tim1138

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Halfway impressions of Ray Fawkes One Soul. This book is written and drawn by Fawkes. First and foremost, the dedication page reads:

"To Dorian our beloved son, born and died March 13th, 2010. In Memoriam. "

With that said, you know the state of mind of the writer but it's not a depressing tale, so far. Each page contains 9 panels, with each double page and each panel telling a story of an individual character for a total of 18 characters running in sequence. These characters come from different time periods and different cultures. It's hard to follow at first but by 25 pages are so, you start to follow everything quite nicely. Its a beutiful book so far. I'll write my end book impressions when I'm done but I just have to say that this book is already recommended and really experiments with the medium. This is the closest thing to comic poetry.

Edit - also thanks for those examples JC, so good!

Not gonna lie, the dedication kept me from reading it for awhile. I wasn't sure what it was about, and didn't know if I was up to someone writing through the death of their newborn. I'm glad I gave it a shot though, it really is a beautiful book. It was probably the best comic I read last year.

Kipp said:
I picked that up at the library a few months back and tried really hard to get into it because I know Tim liked it and someone else too, I think. I tried reading it twice, and the furthest I managed to get was about 1/3rd through it. It just wasn't doing anything for me. His art did absolutely nothing for me and the fairly simplistic story just wouldn't hold my attention. That was compounded by the fact that I had a giant stack of other books from the library that I really wanted to read right beside me, so I didn't have much motivation to continue on with something I wasn't really feeling.

But with that said, I thought the concept was fascinating. I'm really glad that it worked for Tim and it's working for you, because it's a brilliant idea. Unfortunately it just didn't click for me. I'm interested to hear your thoughts when you finish reading it though!

Please don't hate me, Tim.

Hah, no worries, love for Manhattan Projects trumps all!

Your impressions don't surprise me (and this is no slight against you, believe me), I think it's a very difficult book to get into. I think you really need to be in a certain frame of mind to get immersed in it. I've never bothered to look up reviews but I bet it was a very polarizing book when it was initially released.
 

Kipp

but I am taking tiny steps forward
OH MY GOODNESS. SCARLET HAS A SECOND VOLUME COMING OUT IN JUNE 2015!?
That makes me so happy. I absolutely loved the first volume of Scarlet and was really bummed to find out that there were only 7 issues total. Does this mean that more issues have been solicited? Because the first volume was issues 1-5, so you'd think the next volume would be 6-10 at least.

Oh man. That was such a fantastic surprise.
I searched B&N for Scarlet (checking out what's what for the B2G1 sale) because I want to buy it even though I just read it from the library a month ago and then I saw volume two up for pre-order. Amazing.

It was probably the best comic I read last year.

Yeah, I'm definitely on your enemies list now. Oops.
 

tim1138

Member
OH MY GOODNESS. SCARLET HAS A SECOND VOLUME COMING OUT IN JUNE 2015!?
That makes me so happy. I absolutely loved the first volume of Scarlet and was really bummed to find out that there were only 7 issues total. Does this mean that more issues have been solicited? Because the first volume was issues 1-5, so you'd think the next volume would be 6-10 at least.

Oh man. That was such a fantastic surprise.
I searched B&N for Scarlet (checking out what's what for the B2G1 sale) because I want to buy it even though I just read it from the library a month ago and then I saw volume two up for pre-order. Amazing.



Yeah, I'm definitely on your enemies list now. Oops.

Hah, check my edit, we're cool.
 

Kipp

but I am taking tiny steps forward
Edit: Just FYI, regarding the B&N B2G1, for the most part, books that are less than $30 on IST are fairly close in price at B&N. So the B&N B2G1 is a great opportunity to load up on TPBs rather than omnibuses and Absolute editions.
I've spent too much in the past month, so I won't be making an order for a while (if at all), but just wanted to share that tidbit.

Hah, no worries, love for Manhattan Projects trumps all!

Your impressions don't surprise me (and this is no slight against you, believe me), I think it's a very difficult book to get into. I think you really need to be in a certain frame of mind to get immersed in it. I've never bothered to look up reviews but I bet it was a very polarizing book when it was initially released.

Phew. :p

Yeah, I could imagine enjoying it at some point. I definitely recognized it as a quality book, but it just wasn't what I was looking for at all. Nothing ruins a good book like wishing it was something it isn't.

Maybe someday I'll pick it up from the library again and give it another go.
 
Edit: Just FYI, regarding the B&N B2G1, for the most part, books that are less than $30 on IST are fairly close in price at B&N. So the B&N B2G1 is a great opportunity to load up on TPBs rather than omnibuses and Absolute editions.
I've spent too much in the past month, so I won't be making an order for a while (if at all), but just wanted to share that tidbit.

Quoting to isolate this tidbit. Thanks, Kipp.

Personally speaking, though, I would just stock up on TPBs anyway.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
Just finished the Ms. Marvel Trade a second time after reading it for the first time yesterday before sleeping. I think I never did this before, but I just love this book.

Have to love the old school art in the Uncanny Xmen omnibus vol #1:

I'm really enjoying the omnibus. It's nice to see the beginning of the current era of Xmen. So glad Marvel did a second printing.

I really need to pick this Omni up at some point, too.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
Does anybody here know when the Big Hard Sex Criminals OHC is going to be released/ has a ISBN Number?

I really have a hard time browsing the website of Image, cant find anything... Same goes for IDW and Dark Horse, I was curious for their Collected Editions Programm or the next monts/spring 2015 earlier today and found nothing...
 

tim1138

Member
Does anybody here know when the Big Hard Sex Criminals is going to be released/ has a ISBN Number?

I really have a hard time browsing the website of Image, cant find anything... Same goes for IDW and Dark Horse, I was curious for their Collected Editions Programm or the next monts/spring 2015 earlier today and found nothing...

Pretty sure the Sex Criminals hardcover is due out in January.
 
So would you rank Zero Year above Black Mirror? I think it's the best N52 Snyder arc for sure but I'm not sure it beats Black Mirror. It's close though

Zero Year to me, is the best pure Bruce Wayne Batman story. Black Mirror is amazing also but could be interpreted more as a Jim Gordon story or a Dick Grayson story. They are both on equal footing as far as strong story telling and characterization.
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
Pretty sure the Sex Criminals hardcover is due out in January.

Thanks, then it should at least pop out on Amazon in the next weeks.

Kinda stupid, that the smaller publishers like IDW, Dark Horse or Image dont have similar websites to Hachette Edelweiss. DC and Marvels overviews there make it pretty easy to keep in touch with the releases, I just go there every quarter and am able to browse everything that is coming out.
 
Just finished One Soul and everything I said already still stands. It ended well. The easiest review is to say it's comic book poetry, quite literally. It's hard to get into, hard to read, and requires thought and patience. But like poetry, quite beautiful.
 

Bii

Member
Edit: Just FYI, regarding the B&N B2G1, for the most part, books that are less than $30 on IST are fairly close in price at B&N. So the B&N B2G1 is a great opportunity to load up on TPBs rather than omnibuses and Absolute editions.
I've spent too much in the past month, so I won't be making an order for a while (if at all), but just wanted to share that tidbit.

I'm thinking of loading up on some TPBs even when I still have a backlog to get through.

I did buy Infinite Crisis, Batman: The Black Mirror and All-Star Superman last year during this same sale at B&N. I've only read Infinite Crisis so far while the other two are still unread. -__-
 
I'm thinking of loading up on some TPBs even when I still have a backlog to get through.

I did buy Infinite Crisis, Batman: The Black Mirror and All-Star Superman last year during this same sale at B&N. I've only read Infinite Crisis so far while the other two are still unread. -__-
You know what you need to do today
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
Half way through volume 1 of 100 Bullets. It's great so far.

Risso's art is superb. Not only is the art great but he frames everything in such unique ways, he can make the most mundane situations seems interesting.

Bought the whole series off Ebay after someone here posted an image from it. Knew I had to get it just from that picture.
 
Half way through volume 1 of 100 Bullets. It's great so far.

Risso's art is superb. Not only is the art great but he frames everything in such unique ways, he can make the most mundane situations seems interesting.

Bought the whole series off Ebay after someone here posted an image from it. Knew I had to get it just from that picture.

Risso is one the best in the business, no doubt. I wish he did more work on
non-Azz books
 

frye

Member
See also: Cliff Chiang

e: a lot of artists really. I think Sean Phillips could use a break from Brubaker, if only because I don't think he's had one other than that Wildcats run
 

Creamium

shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
Making my way through Uncanny X Force. There have been some great arcs (dark Angel saga), but so far It doesn't touch Morrison's New X Men or Astonishing... A bit disappointed tbh. Last arc I read (Otherworld) was weak, hoping it improves again. I do love Fantomex and Deadpool in this.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
See also: Cliff Chiang

e: a lot of artists really. I think Sean Phillips could use a break from Brubaker, if only because I don't think he's had one other than that Wildcats run

Even though I really like Sean Philips' art, I think he needs to get better actors (or whatever) for his references. A bunch of their poses are sooo awkward.

Mostly running, I don't think I've ever seen a nonawkward running pose from a Sean Philips' book.

I should re-read Fatale, Criminal and Sleeper and just take pictures of people running.

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Haha, this perfectly illustrates what I mean. A bunch of the poses in Sean Philip books look like this.

 
Making my way through Uncanny X Force. There have been some great arcs (dark Angel saga), but so far It doesn't touch Morrison's New X Men or Astonishing... A bit disappointed tbh. Last arc I read (Otherworld) was weak, hoping it improves again. I do love Fantomex and Deadpool in this.

My wife had a similar review. She was not able to get through Otherworld. Have you read any of Remender's other stuff? I wonder if it's more his style - and tendency to rely on some obscure stuff - than anything...? Not saying you're wrong, just curious why that book doesn't work for some folks. I tend to think the last arc is the best, but I loved pretty much all of it.

I am coming to believe that Uncanny Avengers, which I am re-reading now, is the superior volume, but it's better if you read all of UXF first.
 

frye

Member
Even though I really like Sean Philips' art, I think he needs to get better actors (or whatever) for his references. A bunch of their poses are sooo awkward.

Mostly running, I don't think I've ever seen a nonawkward running pose from a Sean Philips' book.

I should re-read Fatale, Criminal and Sleeper and just take pictures of people running.

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Haha, this perfectly illustrates what I mean. A bunch of the poses in Sean Philip books look like this.

I think he uses himself for reference (which is why Sean Phillips characters look a lot like Sean Phillips). And i dunno, I know you what you're talking about but it doesn't really bother me. Kirby (and his imitators) also has the "drawn in mid-action" thing going on
 

Kipp

but I am taking tiny steps forward
You all have gotten me hyped for Snyder Batman.

1) Should I order Black Mirror first?

2) Are the hard covers oversized?

1) Yes. Mostly because it's great rather than because it's necessary to read before his New52 run as far as story goes.

2) Nope. Standard sized.
 

Creamium

shut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
My wife had a similar review. She was not able to get through Otherworld. Have you read any of Remender's other stuff? I wonder if it's more his style - and tendency to rely on some obscure stuff - than anything...? Not saying you're wrong, just curious why that book doesn't work for some folks. I tend to think the last arc is the best, but I loved pretty much all of it.

I am coming to believe that Uncanny Avengers, which I am re-reading now, is the superior volume, but it's better if you read all of UXF first.

No, this is my first time reading anything Remender. It's also the first X-Men thing I read besides New/Astonishing, so I had to look up some characters and concepts. For instance anything Apocalypse/Deathlok was new to me. The sudden appearance of a Dark Beast was also pretty confusing, if you're not into the continuity. I bet everything involving Otherworld had a lot of history as well, but I'm not familiar. What put me off the most in that arc was the horrible painted art though.

It's not that I'm not enjoying it, I really am, but the Morrison/Whedon stuff was miles better imo.

Maybe I would enjoy Wolverine & The X-Men more? Considered getting that omni a few times

You all have gotten me hyped for Snyder Batman.

1) Should I read Black Mirror first?

You should read Black Mirror either way, it's really good. Made me get the first trades of his New 52 run.
 

Boogiepop

Member
Getting really close to wrapping up my manga backlog so I can dive into American stuff again. And I'm sure most people in here aren't terribly interested, but I just read the first (big ol' Perfect Edition) volume of Monster and... damn is Urasawa ever amazing. I already knew this from 20th/21st Century Boys (and I have Pluto, but I'm holding off till I can pick up and read Astro Boy first because I want to try to get the most out of it and that feels like a good idea), but man was that a good read and I'm really looking forward to the rest of it. Funny thing is I'm also watching Yawara! right now, and it's crazy to think that the same guy did both!
 
More or less loved the first 19 issues of Uncanny X-Force, but after that...meh

Also, I hear if you say "Monster" three times in the mirror at night, Mumei shows up and gushes about it, so just a heads-up
 

frye

Member
(and I have Pluto, but I'm holding off till I can pick up and read Astro Boy first because I want to try to get the most out of it and that feels like a good idea)

If you're being that stringent, then you should pick up and read Tezuka's one volume MW if you haven't yet before you continue with Monster.

When you talk about variation of tone, I think Tezuka has almost everyone else beat. MW is him throwing the gauntlet down at the gekiga guys saying "see! I can do this shit too"
 

Cheska

Member
Hm, no Messi, Freeza and Zombine posts for the last two pages and a half. Good or bad? Who can say?

I think each and every one of us makes up a large part of this thread and brings something different to the table. So to see some people called out and in the end, feel unwelcome is incredibly sad.

Can't imagine how boring this thread is going to be if it's always the exact same opinions going around.
 

Boogiepop

Member
If you're being that stringent, then you should pick up and read Tezuka's one volume MW if you haven't yet before you continue with Monster.

When you talk about variation of tone, I think Tezuka has almost everyone else beat. MW is him throwing the gauntlet down at the gekiga guys saying "see! I can do this shit too"

That's actually on my holiday shopping list anyway, so will do! I've been wanting to buff up my Tezuka collection, and the rest of the English language stuff I can grab is top priority (Astro Boy and Black Jack are going to have to come from the Japanese import side, but oh well, already have Phoenix that way!) And yeah, it's really crazy to see just how much Tezuka created and how different it can be.
 
Honestly, I never though SHIELD was gonna get finished. Im one of the few that loved the first volume. I think a lot of people didnt get much from it since there wasnt much of a payoff in the first volume and the second part was in limbo for years.
 
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