Freezasaurus
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I was sleeping.
No Messi? No Zombine?
They've been absorbed into the FigureGAF collective. We're already in community, no fucks to give.
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COMICS! |OT| November 2014. The Wakandan turkey leglock is a time-honored tradition!
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I was sleeping.
No Messi? No Zombine?
They've been absorbed into the FigureGAF collective. We're already in community, no fucks to give.
Confusion Illusion
Banned
If you want summon the Messi just say Harley Quinn three times.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
What happened?
I go play Sunset Overdrive for a few days and sit in HR about ShoulderScreen and suddenly everything's topsy turkey.
I need a recap.
Basically, one side wants this thread to be a pretentious circle jerk at all times, and the other was just on the receiving end of the bullshit. Nobody did anything antagonistic, just a select individual being selfish as fuck.
Tawney Bomb
Member
I don't want comic-GAF to breakup. You're the only people I know who read comics 
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I look at the last page and I see a variety of people talking about comics.
We finally figured it out before our move to community
We finally figured it out before our move to community
Confusion Illusion
Banned
crack of thunder, sudden darkness. What the hell did you just do!?
I'm sure he'll show up eventually
Freezasaurus
Member
oh FFS, I don't even know what's so bad about community. You make it sound like it's a fucking leper colony. Elitist bullshit. It's not like people won't be able to find a thread if it isn't in OT.
This is the post that started the Civil War.
KoruptData
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I shouldn't have called out Messi, Freeza, and Zombine in that post. Shame on me.
Yes, the whole Detective Comics stuff since New52 until Icarus was painfully generic. Were there some changes in the (editorial) personal behind the Batman line? All those changes: the rather bold coloration of Zero Year, cancellation of The Dark Knight, Detective Comics Icarus, Grayson; all in a relatively short timeframe.
Tragicomedy
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Regarding Comics GAF Civil War:
I used to be a fairly regular lurker/poster on these threads, but the last few months were certainly off-putting. I find Zombine's description of "pretentious circle jerk" fairly hilarious, considering he/she has the two sides confused. Pages and pages of loosely related memes, gifs, and in-jokes don't make this an inviting thread to new members or people who don't have this thread as their home page.
Does this thread belong in community? Probably. But I also frequent the monthly "What are you reading?" thread and those do just fine in the OT. The biggest difference is that those focus almost exclusively on discussing books, recommending things to one another, and (to a much lesser extent) criticizing books people don't like. In short, it's a thread about discussing books. Books you like, books you don't like, etc.
Comics GAF loses that focus consistently, and the extra gifs and waifu material doesn't help people follow any sort of coherent discussion in here. Those are more along the lines of what you expect to see in the Community side of the house. I check this thread once or twice per day, find myself completely lost inside some random madness and leave. When the focus is on what two or three particular posters love, or how many posts they log in a monthly thread, I'm out.
I don't care if people here have vastly different interests and opinions than I do. I would never vote a Harley Quinn book into a top 10 of anything, but that's fine. If people consider those consistently solid books and genuinely love them, awesome. I don't hold a monopoly on taste or what constitutes a good comic.
We don't need to split up. The Harley fanatics don't have to leave. People just need to learn to use the "Ignore" function. If someone wants to ignore me because I consider Frank Quitely to be a dumpster dive of an artist (and I do!), then ignore me. If I don't want random crap obscuring actual comic discussion in here, I'll ignore the culprits. It's a win-win.
TL;DR - Use the ignore feature, people!
Exactly. There was absolutely nothing wrong at all with your post. It was a sensible idea, and people *SHOCKINGLY* overreacted. Drama queens gonna drama queen.
I used to be a fairly regular lurker/poster on these threads, but the last few months were certainly off-putting. I find Zombine's description of "pretentious circle jerk" fairly hilarious, considering he/she has the two sides confused. Pages and pages of loosely related memes, gifs, and in-jokes don't make this an inviting thread to new members or people who don't have this thread as their home page.
Does this thread belong in community? Probably. But I also frequent the monthly "What are you reading?" thread and those do just fine in the OT. The biggest difference is that those focus almost exclusively on discussing books, recommending things to one another, and (to a much lesser extent) criticizing books people don't like. In short, it's a thread about discussing books. Books you like, books you don't like, etc.
Comics GAF loses that focus consistently, and the extra gifs and waifu material doesn't help people follow any sort of coherent discussion in here. Those are more along the lines of what you expect to see in the Community side of the house. I check this thread once or twice per day, find myself completely lost inside some random madness and leave. When the focus is on what two or three particular posters love, or how many posts they log in a monthly thread, I'm out.
I don't care if people here have vastly different interests and opinions than I do. I would never vote a Harley Quinn book into a top 10 of anything, but that's fine. If people consider those consistently solid books and genuinely love them, awesome. I don't hold a monopoly on taste or what constitutes a good comic.
We don't need to split up. The Harley fanatics don't have to leave. People just need to learn to use the "Ignore" function. If someone wants to ignore me because I consider Frank Quitely to be a dumpster dive of an artist (and I do!), then ignore me. If I don't want random crap obscuring actual comic discussion in here, I'll ignore the culprits. It's a win-win.
TL;DR - Use the ignore feature, people!
Exactly. There was absolutely nothing wrong at all with your post. It was a sensible idea, and people *SHOCKINGLY* overreacted. Drama queens gonna drama queen.
KoruptData
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I thought Icarus was fantastic until the last issue and it kinda ended in a whimper. That art though!
Freezasaurus
Member
I don't even care about that. What you stated in your post made it seem like your DC boner wasn't getting stroked enough. Marvel has the bigger fanbase, so of course there were going to be a ton of threads in OT about specific things. There was even a thread solely for Hawkeye discussion. XD
Mike Marts did leave to Marvel, but the coloration of Zero Year was an aesthetic choice by FCO and it fucking works wonders as a counter to the dourness of Year One. It fucking pops at you and takes no prisoners. It's GREAT.
Mark Doyle (who was mostly a Vertigo guy) took over after the previous group editor left for Marvel and suddenly John Paul Leon is drawing Batman comics.
He's probably not gonna be with DC for the move tho
echoshifting
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Yeah, I just finished Zero Year today and you are completely right...awesome coloring and very much the opposite of Year One.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I'm in for DC for as long as JPL continues to draw it...so two issues
The Icarus stuff is...well its pretty
The Icarus stuff is...well its pretty
KoruptData
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Lol, that's the thing. I never said any of your names, I wasn't even thinking of anyone in particular when I made that post. It was our community as a whole that was becoming the problem. Forum members here decided to pit me against Messi in some Civil War. I use DC because that's what I am a fan of. Shadyspace felt the same way and he is a Marvel fan.
Tragicomedy
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How good is Grayson? The only DC I'm currently reading is Batman, and I was looking to add another book or two that is just starting out. How big of a hamstring will I have if I'm not familiar with the character's back story?
echoshifting
Banned
I am two issues in and was in the same boat as you, and I'm doing fine. Book is legit good; I'm mostly a Marvel guy but I'm gonna stick with this one.
KoruptData
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Start at Nightwing 30 through Grayson 4 this Wednesday, it has been great.
Grayson is a great Weird Spy Thriller book that's using Morrison loose ends from Batman Inc to do experimental shit. That Future's End issue is actually mindblowing, and the book can deliver on great fucking stuff. It's good.
On the CIVIL WAR thing: I don't care bout none of your stupid camps, Marvel and DC have great shit and bad shit, who cares, all that matters is great fucking comics. There's room for comics discussion and jokes at the same time, we just need to police ourselves into some happy middle. BUT IF Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR ME, I'LL BE ON MY OWN DANG SIDE, AND THAT'S THE ONE OF BEING BETTER THAN YOU AT TALKING FUNNYBOOKS.
Freezasaurus
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You should have been more direct. If you say you wanna talk about DC more, people are going to assume your problem is not enough DC talk. I know shit goes off-topic sometimes, but that's how a lot of threads go. It's about the people more than anything else.
Grayson is super-good. It's a very different book for the character than what he used to be. He's more of a James Bond-ish spy, now. It's been very entertaining despite only being a few issues in.
Yes, the story started out strong but couldn't fully deliver in the end. But still much better than the issues before.
That's a shame. What's the reasoning behind it anyway, proximity to Warner and the DCCU?
Yeah, it's basically consolidating everything in one place, and seeing how pretty much everything outside of printed comics is going alright, getting to be close to people who know what they're doing is literally the best thing they can do.
KoruptData
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As my wife will tell you, I'm not the best at articulating my ideas and intentions into words. I'm good at the beginning and the end but not the stuff in between.
Memento Mori
Member
IIRC Snyder seemed to suggest in the Reddit AMA I skimread that he asked in the script for bright colours.
Tawney Bomb
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This is how I feel. If the thread were soley about comics I wouldn't bother lurking or posting, no offense, I like comics, but personalities make this thread better.
Tragicomedy
Member
I'm a 75% Image / 20% Marvel / 5% DC kind of guy, but always looking for another quality book.
Was issue #30 the last in the previous Nightwing run? The artwork in the Grayson previews looks really great.
KoruptData
Member
Yeah, kinda a weird issue, but it recaps and sets up Grayson #1 by the same writers.
echoshifting
Banned
Give it a shot and let us know what you think! Glancing at my pull list I'm 50/50 Image and Marvel. I pull four DC books now and that's one of em
my name is ed
Banned
So I think I've convinced one of my friends to dress up as Kamala Khan Ms Marvel for next Halloween. She was super excited when I talked to her about the character. She's Pakistani, speaks Urdu and was even a teenager at some point . I feel that books like Ms Marvel are incredibly important, not for us regular superhero comics readers, but all those who never saw superhero comics as something that could appeal to them. I think people underestimate the impact that varied superheroes can have.
Also, when I was out on Halloween I saw a guy dressed up as Mr Terrific. Dont see too many of those around.
. I feel that books like Ms Marvel are incredibly important, not for us regular superhero comics readers, but all those who never saw superhero comics as something that could appeal to them. I think people underestimate the impact that varied superheroes can have.Also, when I was out on Halloween I saw a guy dressed up as Mr Terrific. Dont see too many of those around.
I mean, I could have just as easily pitched a fit about people ignoring my enthusiasm for Deathlok, but I unfortunately realize that half the books I do enjoy nobody gives a shit about within this thread, and unless I know every inkers name and what their favorite food is, I'm in the minority within the other. So I just try to have fun with it.
TheDarkKnight774
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Hey I'll join you in deathlok talk. You Just gotta give me 6 months for MU to catch up! But your talks about it did put it on my radar when I'd probably would have ignored it
Most of my Deathlok experience is through trading cards,action figures and his recent run in X-Force/Wolverine and the X-Men.
Might check this out though, I was skeptical given how much it seemed to solely exist because of the TV show. Sounds like a good read though...plus I think there's a blank cover...can't hurt to have a Deathlok one.
Might check this out though, I was skeptical given how much it seemed to solely exist because of the TV show. Sounds like a good read though...plus I think there's a blank cover...can't hurt to have a Deathlok one.
If you are looking for an 80's as hell, Commando/Universal Soldier type story with really solid writing and an awesome sequence, that book will scratch a very specific itch.
Freezasaurus
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I'm really surprised Invincible doesn't have a bigger fanbase around here. It's pretty much the best teen superhero comic around, and I like how Kirkman let Mark age naturally, so he's not a teen superhero anymore.
To be fair, compared to early volumes, both WD and Invincible have had a noticable drop in quality.
They are still enjoyable, but, to me, it feels like both titles are just going for the shock value now...
Serpentine
Banned
Deathlok is just a hard sell for me, considering it's also by Nathan Edmonson and Mike Perkins, two dudes that are dull as heck to me, doing a character I've never been interested in
Unrelated to that, I read that new Catwoman, that was alright, but I think I'm gonna trade-wait the rest
Ok well I think I just got sold on it?
Unrelated to that, I read that new Catwoman, that was alright, but I think I'm gonna trade-wait the rest
Tawney Bomb
Member
I really want to read Invincible, but 109+ issues is daunting as hell.
A lot of things I read don't get discussed either, maybe I should bring them up more.
I agree that Walking Dead has had its ups and downs, but everything post All Out War has been incredibly interesting. I also like that Invincible is getting a hard reset. If there's one thing I love about Kirkman, as tired as his gimmick may be at this point, for better or worse he has no problem killing people off.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
I've read and enjoyed both from the start. Invincible sometimes goes to the shock value for the sake of it too much sometimes but it's a very consistent good read. But since i read a month behind I stay away from any recent issue discussions. Although the last walking dead issue I read totally faked me out. I thought we'd see some new twist to the zombies. Now I kind of want it....
slightconfuse
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Iv been meaning to catch up on invincible. Dropped it after virtuimite war.
Freezasaurus
Member
I don't think Invincible has really relied on shock-value. There have been some extremely gory scenes
especially that amazing splash page of Mark headbutting Conquest over and over and over until the latter's skull was mush
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