LordOfLore
Banned
It was. He got killed in Ultimates in his first appearance post-Secret Wars.
Marvel has never really acknowledged Ewings larger picture work.
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COMICS|OT|October 2017- The only thing scarier than Messi's avatar are Marvels sales
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Marvel has never really acknowledged Ewings larger picture work.
Pretty sure it's a warlock from a different universe from what I heard
Also that
Freezasaurus
Member
Only got a few books into my dozen-book haul. Thoughts so far:
- So good to have Paper Girls back. Never really got into it until the last time I binged 5 or 6 issues at once.
- TWD might actually get interesting again. Glad they finally
. Also I have a feeling there's going to be somebrought Beta back..love triangle developing with Carl, Lydia and Sophia
- Giant Days is Giant Days so it continues to be amazing and all that is good in this world.
yeah and the 616 warlock is just wandering around
Yeah I know but the warlorck that became the tribunal is different from ours is what I mean
Oh I gotcha, a lot of things are unclear since only SGM really knows how alike the main Joker is with this one. And you raised a good point about the "2 Batmen" thing. My theory is that Joker isn't really "cured" and is putting on an act to win over the public. He set up the whole chase, Harley following him with a camera, and all this other stuff to make Batman seem like a monster and he's a hero, which is a lot more feasible to me now than it would have been before 2016. The interpretation that Batman is just frazzled because of Alfred seems like the correct one, and I'm like you in saying that I would love to see more of that. In the end, I think this is just another Joker con, where he's trying to prove a demented point about how much Batman needs him, when really Batman is right in saying nobody needs him.
yeah, made the edit
LordOfLore
Banned
I am gonna go broke
I'm surprised you aren't already
Freezasaurus
Member
That Babs Tarr Harley is really tempting. If only it was a Babs version of any other character.
Eh. It's what she drew but toned down.
We will see once nycc is over
TropicalFish
Member
Oh. More time to save up then lol.
CoolestSpot
Banned
I personally am at the point where I like Batman as a character in other books, but lost interest of reading his own for the time being. I've hated how the way he's written a good portion of the time and oftentimes he's flawless, but I guess you could say that about most superhero characters. Maybe it's more the culture surrounding a character then the actual writing itself?
I do enjoy how METAL's premise is Batman mssed up big time however.
MHWilliams
Member
Well, the truth is Ryan is a big DC guy. Always has been. Even during New 52, he was honest about their sales prospects, but he fought for them.
https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/636241905525755904
https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/608394644750258178
https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/519190172571684864
https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/480747970996883456
Marvel? He's going for the throat. Good guy. Great for the industry. Huge DC buff though. Big Bang is closer to a straight shooter and they admit that there's a level of apathy for Marvel's books.
EDIT: Still, if I were Slott, I wouldn't have engaged, but come on, Ryan.
EDIT #2: Also Brian Hibbs has some solid takes on the whole Marvel situation as well.
Freezasaurus
Member
Dawnbreaker wasn't nearly as good as the last two one-shots. It seemed like he
He was clearly the least interesting of the evil Batman from the start, so I'd already kind of written him off. Really looking forward to The Drowned and Batman Who Laughs.
was just way too murder-happy for no reason at all. I know he's a villain but there was no logic to any of it.
MHWilliams
Member
I would tear down their walls if they did.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I dont know he eventually gave straight up sales numbers and they were pretty shit. I cant imagine a SoCal store is majority DC just because he runs the place.
But I suppose I shouldnt underestimate the comic fans capacity for pettiness.
BKatastrophe
Member
Secret Avengers will never not be amazing
UCoT is still one of the coolest things ever. Flying space cathedrals? Technology powered by faith? Fucking radical.
He assisted the Avengers for a bit. Nadia fangirled over him the whole time.
Was planned but was only in 2 issues, BMB put a stop to it. Rumored also to prevent Riri joining the Champs to make it not forced.
BKatastrophe
Member
Legacy Harder
Serpentine
Banned
Batman: White Knight was pretty dumb. From the get-go it reminded me of that really bad fake-Paul Pope Batman fan comic from a few years back. It's not quite that bad and the art is actually good, but I just don't know if I wanna read SGM's clumsy take on current events for 8 whole issues.
Also kinda hated Harley/Ivy meets Betty Veronica on both a writing and art standpoint. Just hit no notes for me!
Not much to say about Punisher Platoon, it's mostly setup, but it's gonna be great.
Hawkeye continues to be good and Leo Romero is crazy good, especially considering his age (23!) and relative inexperience. Makes me disappointed for when Michael Walsh fills in despite him also being great!
Also kinda hated Harley/Ivy meets Betty Veronica on both a writing and art standpoint. Just hit no notes for me!
Not much to say about Punisher Platoon, it's mostly setup, but it's gonna be great.
Hawkeye continues to be good and Leo Romero is crazy good, especially considering his age (23!) and relative inexperience. Makes me disappointed for when Michael Walsh fills in despite him also being great!
He's talked about DC vastly outselling marvel at his shop since the New 52 but more importantly, his shop is NOT in SoCal
This time next year tbh
Bendis wouldnt allow Doom to be an Avenger, really?
BKatastrophe
Member
Who's to say
LordOfLore
Banned
Reminds me of Citizen Vs prominent place in the promotional art for ANAD despite never showing up in that form.
You know, Im surprised we didnt get one of those art pieces for Legacy.
Edit: Batman writer teases how
affects the DC Universe
You know, Im surprised we didnt get one of those art pieces for Legacy.
Edit: Batman writer teases how
Batman-Catwoman's engagement
Captain Skeleton
Member
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I don't think Ewing acknowledged Warlock was the Living Tribunal.
MHWilliams
Member
Oh, the sales numbers are shit. But the New 52's were as well and you didn't see him live-tweeting GIFs. You saw him trying to push the books.
Again, not slagging on him. Good guy, but a strong DC fan. That's where he comes from. He's not tearing Marvel down by any means, he's just more apt to kick them while they are than DC.
Next year. It was clear that Legacy is a course correction without any real planning. Next year is the test to see if they've learned anything at all.
MHWilliams
Member
This is just when they do it, usually based on when a crossover ends. ANAD was the odd man out and that's because Secret Wars threw everything off.
Marvel NOW: October 2012 (Post-AvX)
All-New Marvel NOW: November 2013 (Post-Infinity)
Avengers NOW!: October 2014 (Post-Original Sin)
All-New, All-Different Marvel: January 2016 (Post-Secret Wars)
Marvel NOW 2.0: November 2016 (Post-Civil War II)
Legacy: October 2017 (Post-Secret Empire)
So, they'll do it again after whatever next year's thing is.
JordanDeGroot
Member
Yeah I was saying this on a post the other day, it seems a really odd choice to release Legacy now as theres not many series to segway into from people who even did like Legacy (especially new or returning readers). All the series at the moment seem to be part way through storys or with the legacy renumbering seem like there deep in story/lore. Even new series you expect might come from Legacy
(Wolverine and FF)
Rebirth if you liked it, you could jump onto a character you fancied from an issue 1 and new story and see if you liked it from there.
LordOfLore
Banned
Legacy truly was a too early Point One issue .
Interiors are by him also
It's approaching Frank Miller Superman territory...
It's Kelley Jones
And it's bad
Very debatable.
Kelley Jones has done some incredible, iconic work in the past. This cover is fucking awful. That Black Canary is a mess, with her horrifically ill-sized fists.
The issue I can see are the hands. Everything else is fine.
And the legs. And the oddly mis-directed face. And the torso, with her misshapen hunchback
That's a real "I was up late drinking and totally forgot I have to hand this off at 8:30 AM" kind of drawing.
We'll just have to disagree.
AbundantChoice
Member
They likely pushed this up a bit due to the intensely negative reaction to Secret Empire. You would have expected normally there'd be a few months of people dealing with the fallout of that before jumping into the next thing, but SE was getting such vocally negative reactions online they probably *had* to push it up. Neither are traditional "crossovers" per se, but it's really weird that it's happening basically at the exact same time as Venomverse.
I think Slott was dumb for engaging, but I can see where he's coming from r.e. Higgins. He says he's talking them up in-store, but the message those GIFs send online is "nobody wants these books! They're garbage!" Any aspect of a consumer going "hmm, people seem to be picking these books up, maybe I should check them out" is totally lost.
LordOfLore
Banned
Weirdly enough, SE "fallout" issues of books like Champion have almost nothing to do with what they were solicited as.
JordanDeGroot
Member
Yeah I can understand that there trying to show a quick course shift from secret empire, but in the long run there going to be losing any momentum they get back from legacy by having the gap between the end of legacy and the new jumping on points anyway. Secret empire was weird in itself, it got bad press after a certain point, but then Marvel stopped all advertising for it and left it to die in the second half of the series, at least back it until the end of the series, not everyone liked it but there were still customers there to pick up.
Whenever I see someone responding from Marvel (Slott, Spencer etc) to one of these sales posts it never seems like a good idea to fuel the fire and argument, but youve got to think there only human and if people are slagging off a company youve put a lot of work into and supports you your instinct will be to bite back. I always like the BB sales tweets as though they have been giving Marvel a little stick lately, you can tell that they actually love a lot of Marvel series and what them to do well, as they realise if Marvel does well then there store sales do better for it.