Conner existed but all memories of him were scrubbed like with Wally. Manhattans way of dealing with people is more like taking them off the table while leaving the game still ongoing.
That explains his memory not changing (sort of, I mean logically his memory should still proceed from the memory erased Tim Drake but *handwave*). But it doesn't explain how he can hurt himself by hurting Tim, since there Timelines had already diverged before he performed the action. Not sure if its an oversight, new rules for time travel in this era, or what happened with Wally / Kadabra / Post-Crisis Clark who initially seem to remember the Post-Crisis universe but fairly quickly get integrated into the N52 timeline with alternate reasons for their memores / experiences being presented.
That explains his memory not changing (sort of, I mean logically his memory should still proceed from the memory erased Tim Drake but *handwave*). But it doesn't explain how he can hurt himself by hurting Tim, since there Timelines had already diverged before he performed the action. Not sure if its an oversight, new rules for time travel in this era, or what happened with Wally / Kadabra / Post-Crisis Clark who initially seem to remember the Post-Crisis universe but fairly quickly get integrated into the N52 timeline with alternate reasons for their memores / experiences being presented.
I dont think theyve diverged at all. Tim and Tim are connected despite Manhattan having switched things around. Instead of meeting after a time travel mission the Tims met in a prison. Tim now knows hes connected to someone named Conner and will probably find him in the future.
And he still played himself. They were leaving anyway, why'd you stick around?
And there are scenes in Metal #3 that indicate that the end will necessitate that.
Ruined cities, hella people dead because they're doing whatever they want and the heroes are incapable of stopping them. Also, has anyone noticed how they're just talking about killing the bad guys without anyone saying anything?
But. Sometimes I wonder if all these reality resets result in the populace being kinda nuts. Anyone ever thought about that?
Random: If they bring the Legion of Super-Heroes back I hope it's some merged version of all 3 instead of "The Originals". They tried that, nobody seemed to care. Sure, Paul Levitz couldn't make them work but they didn't even hand the team off to someone else, they gave up.
Admittedly, I'm saying that because I thought The Legion was legitimately superior to anything else ever done with the team before. Kid Quantum leading the team, Brainiac being a decent person (and possibly bi), the whole Legion World thing, the superior costumes....there was so much to love about that group and I can't believed they tossed it for some BS nostalgia.
I love Mark Waid's work but even the Threeboot didn't really click like the Archie Legion/DnA's run.
I dont think theyve diverged at all. Tim and Tim are connected despite Manhattan having switched things around. Instead of meeting after a time travel mission the Tims met in a prison. Tim now knows hes connected to someone named Conner and will probably find him in the future.
Right. He remembers meeting his Future!Tim in a different way and not getting stabbed by him. So how does stabbing this Tim (who according to his own memories doesn't match up with his own timeline) result in him getting hurt ? There's some kind of inevitable temporal divergence here. Like it sort of works out if you assume the Tim he met wasn't his future but a temporal divergence, and that would sort of work if you assume that merely being in the N52 / Rebirth universe tends to align you to it's current history / time line , by essentially making shit up to integrate you in, like you having met a future you from a divergent time line or a fake pocket dimension , in order to allow you to fit in.
If you liked Hero Discovered/Defined, you'll enjoy Denied too. Kevin Matchstick's just as great as I remembered him--and possibly a bit more likable now that he's older and has
developed his powers further, capable of making Excalibur out of literally anything
Zenoscope may of ended me. I read the princess fairy tales or whatever and...and wow. Gonna finish the five other books from their line in my backlog before I post a full review.
Anyone pick up any Aftershock comics? I saw some in the comic book store, and was curious if it's worth the pickup.
And he still played himself. They were leaving anyway, why'd you stick around?
And there are scenes in Metal #3 that indicate that the end will necessitate that.
Ruined cities, hella people dead because they're doing whatever they want and the heroes are incapable of stopping them. Also, has anyone noticed how they're just talking about killing the bad guys without anyone saying anything?
But. Sometimes I wonder if all these reality resets result in the populace being kinda nuts. Anyone ever thought about that?
Random: If they bring the Legion of Super-Heroes back I hope it's some merged version of all 3 instead of "The Originals". They tried that, nobody seemed to care. Sure, Paul Levitz couldn't make them work but they didn't even hand the team off to someone else, they gave up.
Admittedly, I'm saying that because I thought The Legion was legitimately superior to anything else ever done with the team before. Kid Quantum leading the team, Brainiac being a decent person (and possibly bi), the whole Legion World thing, the superior costumes....there was so much to love about that group and I can't believed they tossed it for some BS nostalgia.
I love Mark Waid's work but even the Threeboot didn't really click like the Archie Legion/DnA's run.
I mean the populace must be nuts. Gotham City has a population greater than the Gotham Knights / Bat Family. QED. I do wonder if sometimes people wake up remembering different timelines, the Berenstain Bears debates would be fricking epic.
I mean the populace must be nuts. Gotham City has a population greater than the Gotham Knights / Bat Family. QED. I do wonder if sometimes people wake up remembering different timelines, the Berenstain Bears debates would be fricking epic.
At least they havent broken like Psycho Pirate after CoIE.
I think one comic put the idea forward that Metropolis has Superman to look up to so they always have a feeling of everything will be alright while Gothams water is so messed up by everything that has been dumped in it that people have stopped giving a crap about how much has happened.
It'd make sense since it's based off of the Demon Bear saga. It's still weird though. Like, Demon Bear takes place in the Xavier School and the mutants have been together for a bit and actually know they're mutants and have powers. Being helpless even though you have these powers is an interesting take and hopefully they do something like that. Right now it just looks like a regular ol' horror movie. If it wasn't an X movie, I wouldn't think twice and would immediately dismiss it.
Im also not too familiar with the original New Mutants run. Does Illyana have her sword already or does she get it later on? Doubt they will have it in the movie, atleast not this one.
At least they haven't broken like Psycho Pirate after CoIE.
I think one comic put the idea forward that Metropolis has Superman to look up to so they always have a feeling of "everything will be alright" while Gotham's water is so messed up by everything that has been dumped in it that people have stopped giving a crap about how much has happened.
You might also want to move to Gotham if you want your kid to win the genetic lottery (and you're a very irresponsible parent). Gotham's production rate of supergenius's (possibly with near superhuman physical ability too) is roughly equal to the rest of the world minus Gotham combined. It even seems to effect people who only became associated with Gotham later in their history.
What even is AfterShock's differenting feature as a publisher? They're creator owned comics, but not a shared universe, so they seem to be just an upcoming alterrnative to Image or Dark Horse. I'm just curious what makes them stand out.
What even is AfterShock's differenting feature as a publisher? They're creator owned comics, but not a shared universe, so they seem to be just an upcoming alterrnative to Image or Dark Horse. I'm just curious what makes them stand out.
What even is AfterShock's differenting feature as a publisher? They're creator owned comics, but not a shared universe, so they seem to be just an upcoming alterrnative to Image or Dark Horse. I'm just curious what makes them stand out.
They paid big money for superstar names. SuperZero is by Jimmy Palmiotti and An
Amanda Conner from Harley Quinn. It started at peak popularity of Harleys book and I can't imagine it was cheap.
Was it? I thought it was well done, but I'll admit its entirely possible I missed a controversy. I'm half-joking, half-serious when I say its hard to keep up sometimes lol.
If you liked Hero Discovered/Defined, you'll enjoy Denied too. Kevin Matchstick's just as great as I remembered him--and possibly a bit more likable now that he's older and has
developed his powers further, capable of making Excalibur out of literally anything
Great to hear. Yes, Hero Discovered and Hero Defined are actually some of my all time favorites, so I'm looking forward to these. I may wait until the run is done so I can read it at one time.
You were so close, it's almost as if you had the answer! Haha. I'm ribbing, to each their own of course. I have a lot of love for DH for the whole Mignola line, way beyond just HB, and they do publish some great creator owned stuff like Harrow County and Dept. H, lots of short run stuff. Image easily make up the bulk of what I read but when I actually reach for favourites it's usually DH.
(can't believe I forgot to mention Black Hammer, great too)
You were so close, it's almost as if you had the answer! Haha. I'm ribbing, to each their own of course. I have a lot of love for DH for the whole Mignola line, way beyond just HB, and they do publish some great creator owned stuff like Harrow County and Dept. H, lots of short run stuff. Image easily make up the bulk of what I read but when I actually reach for favourites it's usually DH.
Dark Horse just lacks an identity IMO. But that could be because there's rarely ever anything I'm reading from them, and short-term stuff doesn't leave a big impression on me. Last few things I read from them was an Avatar OGN, a Dragon Age mini-series, and I've looked at their Mass Effect mini. Like lolwtf. Ongoings aren't a bad thing IMO.
Dark Horse is great. Hellboy and BPRD are among the best long-running comics period. BPRD is probably the most consistently good team comic ever actually. Beyond that, there's a number of good stuff like Lady Killer, Umbrella Academy, Empowered, etc. That's even excluding popular stuff I haven't gotten into like Usagi Yojimbo.
Their collections are outstanding too. Their first Moebius Library Edition is gorgeous and the kind of book his work deserves. Same goes for the Milligan/McCarthy hardcover or the Hellboy Library Editions.
But, all of the major pubs are fine. Dark Horse and Fantagraphics put out the nicest books in terms of physical quality but beyond that it's all personal taste.
Dark Horse is great. Hellboy and BPRD are among the best long-running comics period. BPRD is probably the most consistently good team comic ever actually. Beyond that, there's a number of good stuff like Lady Killer, Umbrella Academy, Empowered, etc. That's even excluding popular stuff I haven't gotten into like Usagi Yojimbo.
Their collections are outstanding too. Their first Moebius Library Edition is gorgeous and the kind of book his work deserves. Same goes for the Milligan/McCarthy hardcover or the Hellboy Library Editions.
But, all of the major pubs are fine. Dark Horse and Fantagraphics put out the nicest books in terms of physical quality but beyond that it's all personal taste.
Dark Horse publishes hella licensed comics and Hellboy. I can't in good conscience place that above Image fam.
Was it? I thought it was well done, but I'll admit its entirely possible I missed a controversy. I'm half-joking, half-serious when I say its hard to keep up sometimes lol.
Their collections are outstanding too. Their first Moebius Library Edition is gorgeous and the kind of book his work deserves. Same goes for the Milligan/McCarthy hardcover or the Hellboy Library Editions.
But, all of the major pubs are fine. Dark Horse and Fantagraphics put out the nicest books in terms of physical quality but beyond that it's all personal taste.
Quite beyond the actual titles (which I totally agree on lol but you're right in saying it's all personal taste), that's a great point about collections. My nicest books on my shelf are probably DH, and my one lone Fantagraphics is wonderful haha <3 IDW pull up a nice third place in my book. Not flashy but just really solid, the Locke and Key collections come to mind (ranking is my gimmick this week), although again I don't have that many. I have almost two full length shelves filled by DH now and not one has ever come apart, and even down to the trade dress being consistent across each series, they are really satisfying to have.
Right. He remembers meeting his Future!Tim in a different way and not getting stabbed by him. So how does stabbing this Tim (who according to his own memories doesn't match up with his own timeline) result in him getting hurt ? There's some kind of inevitable temporal divergence here. Like it sort of works out if you assume the Tim he met wasn't his future but a temporal divergence, and that would sort of work if you assume that merely being in the N52 / Rebirth universe tends to align you to it's current history / time line , by essentially making shit up to integrate you in, like you having met a future you from a divergent time line or a fake pocket dimension , in order to allow you to fit in.
I think time travel is almost always bullshit, but I think I can explain the issue you're having.
Future Tim has memories of Conner, because current Tim doesn't remember him yet. In the future, he'd remember him, therefore, Future Tim remembers him.
Alternatively, for the scar, it can be that the future was locked in place. Now, due to something, since the future can change, he changed it. He changed the fact that he has a scar. That is now an event that happens and is meant to happen. He has not, however, changed what makes Tim Batman in the future. That seems to be what Future Tim is trying to change starting now.
But like I sad, time travel is bullshit. It may yet be explained in a different way.
Those are fair criticisms to make--largely things I wouldn't even have noticed because as a cis guy they aren't issues I'd have to deal with. I still think it's not a bad comic but I guess they could speed it up a bit as far as her being "out" and just get to the part where she just deals with bad guys without all the trauma. I can definitely see how not everyone wants to deal with whatever makes them be seen by society as "other"--I'd prefer it that way with black superheroes but usually they don't let us do that without being tone-deaf.
What's curious is I'm pretty sure Paul Jenkins did hella interviews and research, which makes me wonder if people should try to write about experiences that aren't theirs?
Quite beyond the actual titles (which I totally agree on lol but you're right in saying it's all personal taste), that's a great point about collections. My nicest books on my shelf are probably DH, and my one lone Fantagraphics is wonderful haha <3 IDW pull up a nice third place in my book. Not flashy but just really solid, the Locke and Key collections come to mind (ranking is my gimmick this week), although again I don't have that many. I have almost two full length shelves filled by DH now and not one has ever come apart, and even down to the trade dress being consistent across each series, they are really satisfying to have.
Pretty cool, I dropped the previous limited series have way thru, but I'll give it another shot. It would be awesome if DC did more miniseries for smaller characters.
Pretty cool, I dropped the previous limited series have way thru, but I'll give it another shot. It would be awesome if DC did more miniseries for smaller characters.
