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Coming to terms: Make a cathartic admittance of mistakes you've made this election

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TheOfficeMut

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This is going to be a very long post so I apologize in advance. I'd like to hear the mistakes you've made and what you promise to do to be more inclusive and understanding going forward so that we, democrats, do not make this fatal mistake once again.

Clarification: By inclusive I do not mean to suggest that we should tolerate sexism, racism, bigotry, xenophobia and so forth.

Anyway, here goes:

After Hillary Clinton lost the primary and Barack Obama won the presidency in 2008, it didn’t take long for rumors to circulate that Clinton would once again run for president after she fulfilled her duties as Secretary of State. With each passing year it became increasingly apparent that she was going to be the DNC’s candidate of choice and that the democrats were going to thrust all of their efforts into making her the nominee, regardless of reason, regardless of opposition.

When Clinton announced her bid to run for president in April, 2015, I threw all of my support behind her. I couldn’t imagine anyone else having as much experience or likability as her. From the onset I thought the election was going to be a breeze. Coming off of Obama’s unprecedented 2008 and slightly-worse-yet-still comforting 2012 victories, for sure no republican would pose a threat and that we – the democrats – galvanized a base that wasn’t going away, one that would surely show up for Clinton as it did for Obama.

When Donald Trump announced his bid for the White House, I immediately called the election in my head: “Clinton wins in a landslide of similar or greater proportion to Obama.” I noticed most people here and in the media took his announcement as a joke, so I did too. I felt reassured through my echo chamber that is NeoGAF that no one would take him seriously, that the mere announcement and audacity of the buffoon from The Celebrity Apprentice running for president would in fact help the democrats and hurt the republicans.

Back on the liberal side Bernie Sanders announced his bid for president. This man’s primary was going to be in vain and I felt rather annoyed that he expected to challenge Clinton. Clinton waited eight years and deserved an unopposed path through the primary and to the White House. Why? Because I thought I knew better; because I thought she was progressive enough and that people would be fine with that; because I thought that someone like Sanders had to concede before even starting in order to not ruin her or the party’s chances of reelecting a democrat.

Then Sanders began campaigning and his message began resonating and his supporters started growing and suddenly I found myself invigorated, more so than I had ever felt, even with Clinton. At one point I found myself rooting for Sanders over Clinton, but that was short-lived. Sometime before the first debate I kept reading on this forum that Sanders’ ideas were pie-in-the-sky, unrealistic, bravado acts attempted to persuade Clinton supporters to switch and that lasted through the election. I once again reinforced the idea that the only way forward was with Clinton and that Sanders, the outsider, was going to jeopardize our only chance.

Once the debates started to happen I scoffed at most of what Sanders would say, even ideas I wanted and agreed with. I would frequent the forum to reassure myself that my train of thought was right, that Sanders was unrealistic and that Clinton still had it in the bag, and I always came away a little more arrogant than I had been before. It also didn’t take long for me to mentally see and participate in a divide where I alienated Sanders supporters because I viewed them as an enemy to the party, one that needed unity, unity that was only going to be realized under Clinton.

On the republican side Trump dominated the debates by humiliating his opponents through insults that only children would make while also offering no substantive policies. Great! He was doing the work of the democrats and reasonable republicans were going to be voting for Clinton this election. Sanders supporters could try to create their rift but it wouldn’t matter, we didn’t need them.

Then the primaries started to wind down, Clinton won and the conventions began to approach. Sanders had still not entirely conceded and the in-fight with the democrats had grown feverishly. I laughed when Sanders supporters on this forum were largely ignored or banned because they felt they weren’t being heard. I could only empathize with Clinton supporters. “Once she is officially dubbed the nominee then we can get this train rolling.” On the other side, Trump’s impressive takeover of the GOP and eventual nomination only reaffirmed to me that his joke of a party was going nowhere and that this election was for the democrats to lose. This was going to be a piece of cake.

But up until then Clinton’s email scandal had permeated the media nonstop and her likability as a candidate was consistently shown to be very low, on par with Trump, yet none of this mattered. People surely had to fall in line come November because look at the opposition! Clinton was the clear choice and anyone else, especially Trump, was literally illogical. Email scandal? Ha! That doesn’t matter. I’m sure people dismiss it just as much as I do. What about her deplorable comment? It doesn’t matter either, it’s only the truth and the people getting offended weren’t ever voting for her to begin with. But what about the Clinton Foundation, Wall Street speeches, Haiti, Benghazi, super-predators, and corporate interests, won’t they be a problem? I thought none of this mattered. I thought the constant battering and decades’ worth of GOP assault only refined her character.

Up until the very day of the election I was stubborn and steadfast. I thought her GOTV was smooth sailing and that Trump was going to be met with Goldwater. Never did I expect it all to come crashing down. But by 11pm on November 8th, a reality I never expected took hold and we elected Donald Trump as President of the United States of America.

The day after I was angry – still am – about how all of this turned out, but it’s been quite a sobering experience. I’m still scared and will continue to be scared for as long as he remains president and the GOP controls congress, but in many ways this loss illustrates to me how unbelievably shortsighted and ignorant I was throughout this entire election and how getting your information through an echo chamber – NeoGAF – is not feasible.

Now we are beginning to see many reports about how the Clinton team misjudged the white working class (warned by Bill, Obama and Biden), failed to adequately poll and visit crucial states, failed to get millions of voters to show up for her, and had a message that centered on her and not on America which didn’t resonate with others. All of the things I thought didn’t hurt her actually did. I was extremely naïve in thinking this could never happen, but here we are.

I think people need to come to terms with how they’ve treated others if you’re like me. Our naivety and shortsightedness got the best of us and we really need to evaluate what we are going to do going into 2018 and 2020. I needed a cathartic moment and writing this out has helped. Hindsight is 20/20 and I wish I had behaved differently before. I still won’t sympathize with Trump supporters who voted for his platform based on opinions of hate, but if we, the democrats, want to take back control, then at the very least we need to understand how Sanders and Clinton supporters alike became so divided and make an effort to come to a mutual agreement. I will not say one way or another whether Sanders would have done better because that’s not something that can ever be proven anymore. We need to look forward and become unified.

I had so much more I wanted to say that I think I’ll say it through the course of this thread.
 

Mark L

Member
In this thread: a lot of variants on "I overestimated America" "didn't think there would be so many racists", etc.
 

Jeels

Member
My biggest mistake was thinking my fellow Americans were living in a post Obama world, and were willing to denounce hate regardless of their politics. I genuinely thought we'd maintain the entire blue wall and gain Arizona and maybe Georgia, with Texas being extremely close. I genuinely thought we'd take the senate 100% and would get extremely close to the house.

I kept thinking this despite hanging out with several people explaining this and getting told they are voting for Trump anyway because either they always voted Republican or "taxes lol", even though they know LGBT people, undocumented immigrants, disabled people, Muslims, latinos, etc etc.

I thought they were outliers.

I was wrong.

(I'm also never only hanging out around PoliGAF ever again).
 

nachum00

Member
That the vast majority of people in this country were too intelligent to vote for Trump.


And that Sanders had a good chance at winning the primary.
 

Boney

Banned
I'm glad you shared that.

I suppose I regret giving up on trying to have a conversation in PoliGAF.
 

Jeremy

Member
Trump's win was humbling. I've warned a lot of my friends about both getting trapped in echo chambers and not doing enough to stop it but to be honest, I was the one who was in the echo chamber and under the impression that campaigning via social media was an effective tool. It's not, nor is constantly reconfirming your own beliefs with like-minded people. It's going to take going out into those communities we champion for, it's going to take going into those communities we fear, it's going to require actual effort on everyone's part.

I feel like I'm mourning the future I had envisioned coming-of-age under Barack but this needs to be the fire lit under the ass of not just Democrats but the liberal-minded in general.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
I believed Clinton was competent enough to fill into the holes of her campaign and was convinced of and bought into the GAF rhetoric of electability and the boons of a moderate candidate (which is one of the biggest loads of hogwash I've ever been fed). That shit only has a chance of working if the other side are even open to change their opinions in sizeable numbers
 

Slo

Member
In retrospect, it's pretty plain to see that Democrats (and those of us who voted Hillary, including most of GAF) thought that everyone else would too just out of moral obligation. Dems didn't even have to try to win votes from Middle America, they were just going to come along because Trump is an objectively horrible person.

Trumps message to hammer swingers: "We're gonna open the factory again! Your shitty town is gonna be awesome again."

Hillary's message to hammer swingers: "You aren't an asshole, are ya?"
 
Too much focus on "Trump is bad" over "this is why Hillary is better"

Not finding a way to breakthrough the mental wall people put up when confronted with facts.
 

ishibear

is a goddamn bear
My mistake was being hopeful and naive about how far this country's come in being progressive. That's it.

Other than that, I did everything right. I never alienated Trump supporters, I pleaded with them and discussed the importance of standing against him. I enlightened my friends and family about Trump's evils and Hillary's credentials. Learned more about Bernie and pleaded for his followers to join us in taking down Trump. I even listened to people when they warned us about Brexit, even if I sometimes wanted not to because I didn't want to jinx things...

I registered to vote. I voted.

What the fuck does it matter if I did everything right? There was still no victory and now the entire world is plunging into bedlam.

I don't EVER want to hear someone bitch about being alienated. America fucked me and the rest of its minorities and not in the good way.

Now, I'm awaiting the hell that befalls us with no fear whatsoever. And even as we sink deeper into hell, that bitch is NOT MY PRESIDENT.
 
I believed in my gut that the shy white woman Hillary voter combined with an increased latino turnout would've delivered a near 10-point Hillary win.

Whoops.
 

Eidan

Member
Misplaced faith in whites. I really thought they were going to surprise people and we were going to see a stronger rejection of Trump's campaign of bigotry, ignorance, and misogyny. I was very, very wrong.
 
The day of the election I went on our local paper's comments section with glee and just ripped all the Trump supporters with comments like "Enjoy your Koolaid now! Just a few more hours left!" I went on it the next day, and boy my previous comments were getting roasted and heckled to death! That's when I felt like fuck, the bubble got me.
 

gutshot

Member
Mistakes? I didn't make any mistakes.

I voted for Hillary because I thought she was the best candidate. Apparently not enough people in this country in key states agreed with me. Is that my fault? I don't think so.
 

Laiza

Member
I did what I could, man.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. I voted for HIllary in the general. I am 100% not the type of person who can go out on the streets campaigning for somebody, so what do you want me to do?

I'm just done with this shit, man. I'm done. I'll show up to vote but I am largely powerless in this overwhelming tide of public sentiment. The only folks who have the power to influence anything anyway are folks with lots of eyes and ears on them, and I am the opposite of that.

My mistake was being born an introvert. Not that that's something I have any power over, of course. I just get to curse my luck in that area and thank my lucky stars I'm living in an area where most of the fallout won't affect me. At least for a little while, until the economy tanks again and we're back at this little dance in four years (let's be honest, midterms are gonna be another shitshow).

Also my county is blue, so again, what could I do? Seriously, I just don't see it. I don't see where my agency is in this whole scenario. I can't imagine how I could ever obtain the power to influence anything at all. I'm just one voter with no public influence whatsoever. That's all I've got.
 
Didn't really have a reason to support Hillary other than "she's not Trump." I thought Hillary had her campaign together.

Also, I no longer believe that fighting against "tone policing" is a worthwhile cause. This election is proof positive that you have to have the right tone to convince your audience. Beating ideas into submission never works... not for long.
 

Juken

Member
I tried to drink the Kool-Aid and get myself to "Yass Queen" levels of excitement for Hillary (never quite got to that level). In the past I had read a lot of articles that made me question the Clintons and the establishment, but I decided that I had been susceptible to propaganda and I was only confirming my own biases that I didn't want to like the Clintons.

I lurked Poligaf as my main way of getting political news and avoided the "dumpster fire" community threads.

I underestimated how important enthusiasm is to a political candidate.

I didn't try to understand why people would vote Trump outside of being deplorable.
 

mdubs

Banned
I drank the kool aid and thought that Hillary had the election in the bag based on what I read here. Good reminder about the importance of having multiple sources of political information
 

phanphare

Banned
I wish I had done more to help Bernie during the primary season. truth be told I thought Hillary had it in the bag despite believing Bernie would have still been a stronger candidate. all I did was donate to his campaign and preach the good word to my family and some of my friends. the next time a candidate speaks to me the way Bernie did I'm going to do more to actively help their campaign.
 
In this thread: a lot of variants on "I overestimated America" "didn't think there would be so many racists", etc.

People need to look at this map and truly evaluate that statement.

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Are the people in this areas truly racist? Or there is a greater divide that is being oversimplified and dismissed with accusation of racism/etc?

But I guess people will not learn their lesson, they will call the people in those areas inbreeds, red necks, racist, etc etc and move on ignoring them and their problems and then republicans will win their support with platitudes and a platform of lower taxes or worse economic populism like Trump did to win the Rust Bell.
 
misplaced faith in white ppl
at the same time, oversimplification of the rationale behind voting for trump
believing polls, pundits, reports from candidate campaign ppl
 
I don't think I personally made any mistakes. I voted for Hillary Clinton and encouraged others to do the same. I swayed at least one friend away from voting third-party to Hillary. I don't think believing polls and statistics that had proven track records was a mistake, and I didn't let them make me complacent.
 
I thought of "latinos" and "women" as monolithic voting blocs that all had similar priorities. I completely undervalued the white blue collar rust belt vote.
 
I didn't actually do anything to help Hillary succeed. I believed that spreading the word within my social media circle and voting would be enough. It's never enough.

I didn't go outside of my very blue state, where it is very safe to express my views and my support for women's and minority rights, to advocate for them. I didn't put myself at risk for the people who are at risk.

I didn't donate a single dollar to any campaign, any rights advocacy group, or any relief group. This loss has cost me nothing, while it will probably come at a tremendous cost for millions of people.

I focused too much on why Trump is bad and not enough on why Hillary was definitely way better than even just "good enough." I did this too much particularly when interacting with Johnson voters, who were the voters we especially needed this election. I probably alienated more people than I attracted.

I placed too much faith in white people in aggregate to reject a guy who's a living embodiment of white supremacy, xenophobia, misogyny, and rape culture. I underestimated the degree to which white people are responsible for perpetuating all these things.

I'm sorry.

Are the people in this areas truly racist? Or there is a greater divide that is being oversimplified and dismissed with accusation of racism/etc?

But I guess people will not learn their lesson, they will call the people in those areas inbreeds, red necks, racist, etc etc and move on ignoring them and their problems and then republicans will win their support with platitudes and a platform of lower taxes or worse economic populism like Trump did to win the Rust Bell.

Whether or not they're racist matters less than the fact that, as a demographic and geographic bloc, they voted for their own interests (kinda-ish) at the expense of minorities, which is a form of white supremacy even if they had no ill intent.
 

SamVimes

Member
People need to look at this map and truly evaluate that statement.



Are the people in this areas truly racist? Or there is a greater divide that is being oversimplified and dismissed with accusation of racism/etc?

But I guess people will not learn their lesson, they will call the people in those areas inbreeds, red necks, racist, etc etc and move on ignoring them and their problems and then republicans will win their support with platitudes and a platform of lower taxes or worse economic populism like Trump did to win the Rust Bell.
I think two things are being conflated: most of the people that voted for Trump are either racist or fine with a racist. The people that didn't show up at the booth that were solid voters in earlier elections for the most part just feel forgotten and it's those that the democrats should be focusing on. No one is saying to court the racist vote.
 

Nekofrog

Banned
I regret not being more active and vocal against hillgaf in politics threads in the primaries and shortly after, but I could only take so much derision and straight up insults from them for doing nothing other than trying to get them to see her problems as a candidate, so I tapped out of the"discussion" (and let's be honest, there wad never a discussion with hillgaf) shortly after the primaries were over. I mean,not even being a Bernie supporter who had every intention of voting hillary in the general (which I did) was enough for some of those people.
 
I did what I could, man.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. I voted for HIllary in the general. I am 100% not the type of person who can go out on the streets campaigning for somebody, so what do you want me to do?

I'm just done with this shit, man. I'm done. I'll show up to vote but I am largely powerless in this overwhelming tide of public sentiment. The only folks who have the power to influence anything anyway are folks with lots of eyes and ears on them, and I am the opposite of that.

My mistake was being born an introvert. Not that that's something I have any power over, of course. I just get to curse my luck in that area and thank my lucky stars I'm living in an area where most of the fallout won't affect me. At least for a little while, until the economy tanks again and we're back at this little dance in four years (let's be honest, midterms are gonna be another shitshow).

Also my county is blue, so again, what could I do? Seriously, I just don't see it. I don't see where my agency is in this whole scenario. I can't imagine how I could ever obtain the power to influence anything at all. I'm just one voter with no public influence whatsoever. That's all I've got.

We'll try again next time man.
 
People need to look at this map and truly evaluate that statement.



Are the people in this areas truly racist? Or there is a greater divide that is being oversimplified and dismissed with accusation of racism/etc?

But I guess people will not learn their lesson, they will call the people in those areas inbreeds, red necks, racist, etc etc and move on ignoring them and their problems and then republicans will win their support with platitudes and a platform of lower taxes or worse economic populism like Trump did to win the Rust Bell.

Yup.

That's another thing - I didn't realize how bad the "basket of deplorables" comment was.
 

entremet

Member
I thought Hillary would eek one out.

But I was afraid of the momentum after her health issues plus email stuff started coming and was readying myself for a Trump victory in my heart.

I was in the acceptance phase a while ago, but was hoping I didn't need to exercise it for real.
 
Backing Clinton instead of Biden. Yes Hillary is supremely qualified for the office, in fact the most qualified civilian since John Quincy Adams, I underestimated how insidious and successful the 30-year propaganda hit job by the GOP was on her.


I very much doubt Bernie would have won, so I don't regret not backing him.
 
I let PoliGAF (and their real life equivalents) laugh me out of conversations and stopped engaging in discussion because I was tired of their condescension. I realize now that there's rarely if ever a reason to stop engaging. It was a mistake on my part and for that I'm sorry.
 
I predicted that if Bernie sanders lost that Trump would win. I was convinced by Hillary supporters that this would not happened. I was wrong to believe them.
 
Mistake? Assuming Clinton was taking this seriously and putting together a campaign that covered all needed bases. That she wouldn't be an arrogant prick and abandon a critical base of now potentially former Democrats.

What to do in the future? For now, I am not sure. I'd think about getting involved at the local level, but I guess I don't know where to start. I also don't know how viable that is given I have crippling student loan debt that I have no hope of paying off.
 

Xe4

Banned
I didn't volunteer or donate. I figured I didn't have the time or money, being a person going to a add STEM college. If I knew that 100% Trump would be elected, I probably would have made time.
 

Wereroku

Member
Whether or not they're racist matters less than the fact that, as a demographic and geographic bloc, they voted for their own interests (kinda-ish) at the expense of minorities, which is a form of white supremacy even if they had no ill intent.

Everyone votes for their own interests. The reason so many of these folks voted for Trump is because he addressed the concerns of these people while Hillary basically ignored them.

Edit: I should mention he isn't really going to do anything for them but he spoke to them and told them he was going to. Acknowledging a group helps a lot when you want them to vote for you.
 

Deadbeat

Banned
People need to look at this map and truly evaluate that statement.



Are the people in this areas truly racist? Or there is a greater divide that is being oversimplified and dismissed with accusation of racism/etc?

But I guess people will not learn their lesson, they will call the people in those areas inbreeds, red necks, racist, etc etc and move on ignoring them and their problems and then republicans will win their support with platitudes and a platform of lower taxes or worse economic populism like Trump did to win the Rust Bell.
The left and right will continue to split even further apart when the blanket labeling is dispensed.
 
Everyone votes for their own interests. The reason so many of these folks voted for Trump is because he addressed the concerns of these people while Hillary basically ignored them.

Edit: I should mention he isn't really going to do anything for them but he spoke to them and told them he was going to. Acknowledging a group helps a lot when you want them to vote for you.

You're not wrong.

But it's also still an example of white supremacy in action.
 
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