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[chaosblade]

I played Ganondorf for about 4 hours and I think he might already be better than my Falcon.

A big part of it is that I play him really similarly to my Falcon and everything except timing transferred over well once I started getting a feel for him. I think the big things that are helping me are that his hitboxes last so much longer, and his slow speed is actually beneficial for me because I'm forced to think more.

Won't drop Falcon for him, but I think I'm going to keep playing 'dorf a lot because I think it will do a lot to improve my game with Falcon just from a mental standpoint. A lot more than the Fox I was previously screwing around with on the side.

 

[Nothing1016]

Was watching Mang0's stream right now and he isn't even mad at the whole M2K thing. Probabky understands its a mistake just thinks he is an idiot. But Lauren on the other hand seems furious.

 

[Tripon]

Looks like M2K asked Darkrain to play best of 5 instead of best of 3. Darkrain kind of halfass-agreed by saying not if he won the best of 3, but they went with the 5 games anyway.

Darkrain won 2/3, but M2K came back and won their 3/5. Darkrain reported to the TO that they played a 3/5 and M2K won. The TO asked who won the best of 3 they were supposed to play, so he said he won. So Darkrain was considered the winner of the set since you can't use gentleman's agreement to change the game count for the set. Now M2K has started spouting off about how Darkrain bullshitted him so he could win the set, and basically everyone is telling him he's exaggerating and overreacting (since he came back from losers and won anyway, I think).

M2K is an idiot.

 

[theprodigy]

M2K is an idiot.

wise words from Twitch chat (bet you never heard that before):

lol m2k

 

[Laughlin]

So does anyone here do local tournaments? How exactly do you get started?

(Although I'd prolly play Smash 4 and not Melee)

 

[chaosblade]

So does anyone here do local tournaments? How exactly do you get started?

(Although I'd prolly play Smash 4 and not Melee)

I think the OP has some links to find local tourneys actually it doesn't. Usually they have Facebook pages and Twitter accounts where they announce what's going on. They are almost everywhere these days.

Even if your local area doesn't have anything you can start up something yourself. If you have a few friends with Wii Us/Wiis/Cubes that are also interested you can start doing some monthly events with them, invite more people, and it should grow over time. Even with just 3-5 setups you can run a 20-30 person tournament pretty well.

There are probably quite a few Smash players from local high schools and colleges.

 

[Cody_D165]

So does anyone here do local tournaments? How exactly do you get started?

(Although I'd prolly play Smash 4 and not Melee)

hit up the Events page on Smashboards and check out the list of Facebook groups on the Smash Bros subreddit to see if there's one for your area where you can connect with local Smashers.

 

[Tripon]

A bunch of Smash TOs are hinting at a big tournament reveal today. Guess its Genesis 3 in the MD/VA area.

 

[theprodigy]

A bunch of Smash TOs are hinting at a big tournament reveal today. Guess its Genesis 3 in the MD/VA area.

why would it be on the east coast though?

 

[Tripon]

why would it be on the east coast though?

Because VGbootcamp is likely running this.

 

[Mumei]

Because VGbootcamp is likely running this.

And more importantly, I'd actually be able to watch the whole thing when it runs until 1:00 AM.

 

[Daouzin]

Yes! Melee and Street Fighter IV have both already gotten over 1,000 registered players.

http://shoryuken.com/2015/02/24/evo-2015-sunday-tournament-hall-passes-sold-out-registration-still-open/

I'd say it's safe to say that Melee will be in the finals on Sunday.

Hype!

I did my part for Smash 4, I entered both, but definitely focusing on Melee.

 

[emb]

Yes! Melee and Street Fighter IV have both already gotten over 1,000 registered players.

That's pretty amazing. Wow.

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

Yes! Melee and Street Fighter IV have both already gotten over 1,000 registered players.

http://shoryuken.com/2015/02/24/evo-2015-sunday-tournament-hall-passes-sold-out-registration-still-open/

I'd say it's safe to say that Melee will be in the finals on Sunday.

Hype!

I did my part for Smash 4, I entered both, but definitely focusing on Melee.

I'm so freaking hyped.

 

[Daouzin]

I played Ganondorf for about 4 hours and I think he might already be better than my Falcon.

A big part of it is that I play him really similarly to my Falcon and everything except timing transferred over well once I started getting a feel for him. I think the big things that are helping me are that his hitboxes last so much longer, and his slow speed is actually beneficial for me because I'm forced to think more.

Won't drop Falcon for him, but I think I'm going to keep playing 'dorf a lot because I think it will do a lot to improve my game with Falcon just from a mental standpoint. A lot more than the Fox I was previously screwing around with on the side.

Nice, personally I have the most fun playing Ganon and have pretty much played him exclusively since 2006-2009 then I just played Melee in general off and on. I did beat Eddie at OC2 in 2008 in a Ganon Ditto and me and Eikelmann did a Ganon ditto last year at EVO and it came down to last stock, last hit in our best of 5.

I feel like I could have won, but he was so technical that all I could think was, damn, he totally deserves this more than me. So,... no johns, I lost. haha

Anyway, Ganon is super fun!

However, 20XX has caught up to me so I plan to play mostly Fox and Marth from now on with Ganon as my counter pick against Peach, Jigglypuff, certain Marths and certain Falcos.

 

[Pappasman]

Yes! Melee and Street Fighter IV have both already gotten over 1,000 registered players.

http://shoryuken.com/2015/02/24/evo-2015-sunday-tournament-hall-passes-sold-out-registration-still-open/

I'd say it's safe to say that Melee will be in the finals on Sunday.

Hype!

I did my part for Smash 4, I entered both, but definitely focusing on Melee.

This only makes me more sad that I can't go this year.

 

[theprodigy]

And more importantly, I'd actually be able to watch the whole thing when it runs until 1:00 AM.

hey Mumei when are you getting your mod status back

Nice, personally I have the most fun playing Ganon and have pretty much played him exclusively since 2006-2009 then I just played Melee in general off and on. I did beat Eddie at OC2 in 2008 in a Ganon Ditto and me and Eikelmann did a Ganon ditto last year at EVO and it came down to last stock, last hit in our best of 5.

I feel like I could have won, but he was so technical that all I could think was, damn, he totally deserves this more than me. So,... no johns, I lost. haha

Anyway, Ganon is super fun!

However, 20XX has caught up to me so I plan to play mostly Fox and Marth from now on with Ganon as my counter pick against Peach, Jigglypuff, certain Marths and certain Falcos.

what about Ice Climbers? lol

 

[xezuru]

GRSmash whyyyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALOr9BEB9nY

 

[Mumei]

hey Mumei when are you getting your mod status back

When Pichu is top tier, ofc.

 

[Anth0ny]

We’re also proud to announce that in only 24 days, both Ultra Street Fighter IV and Smash Bros. Melee have surpassed 1000 registrations.”

I think it may be safe to say the Marvel 3 and Melee lines have crossed. We #2 now.

 

[emb]

GRSmash whyyyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALOr9BEB9nY

Lol, the guy cheering in the background when it first zooms in on Leffen. Pretty sure he's from NC and I know 'im.

Video is pretty funny. If a bit strange, lol.

 

[FZZ]

The closer we get to EVO the less I feel like Mang0 isn't gonna win, he's really focused on streaming, fan interaction, and hasn't been training as much.

Honestly if that's the case I want either M2K, Armada, or Leffen to win. Mainly M2K though.

Also how many entrants is Smash 4 at?

 

[Nothing1016]

The closer we get to EVO the less I feel like Mang0 isn't gonna win, he's really focused on streaming, fan interaction, and hasn't been training as much.

Honestly if that's the case I want either M2K, Armada, or Leffen to win. Mainly M2K though.

Also how many entrants is Smash 4 at?

Don't count The Kid out.

#TeamMang0 #Mang0Nation #Mang0at

 

[Tomohawk]

GRSmash whyyyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALOr9BEB9nY

This is doubly hilarious to me because I just finished Arrested Development and all I can think of during the song is Gob. Damn, that was a good show.

 

[emb]

The closer we get to EVO the less I feel like Mang0 isn't gonna win, he's really focused on streaming, fan interaction, and hasn't been training as much.

Honestly if that's the case I want either M2K, Armada, or Leffen to win. Mainly M2K though.

Also how many entrants is Smash 4 at?

I'd love to see any of them win too. Of course I want to see PPMD win again over anyone. I guess it's easier to just say that I don't want Mango or Hungrybox to win.

I don't think we know anything else about entrant counts. Just that everything else is <1000 at this point. I think spectator passes for the last day are completely sold out now, as well? Anyway, iirc the numbers aren't fully revealed until registration closes.

 

[Revven]

Melee hitting 1,000 at this time of the year is insane compared to last year. I remember Smashers used to wait until the very last minute to register, if you told me in 2015 there'd be a tournament where Smashers entered to hit 1,000 when it's only been 24 days since they opened registration I wouldn't believe you.

Just unbelievable.

 

[Shimesaba]

The closer we get to EVO the less I feel like Mang0 isn't gonna win, he's really focused on streaming, fan interaction, and hasn't been training as much.

Despite all of the recent hype posts, it's worth keeping in mind that Evo is in July, it's still February, and with a solid training regimen (and attendance at a few tournaments) Mango could easily get himself ready for Evo in a month. I'd be more worried about his attitude toward the game -- if he keeps talking like he's given up on being #1, and doesn't put the practice in when June rolls around, someone hungrier will take it.

Honestly if that's the case I want either M2K, Armada, or Leffen to win. Mainly M2K though.

Prepare yourself for disappointment, then :V

 

[Azure J]

Yes! Melee and Street Fighter IV have both already gotten over 1,000 registered players.

http://shoryuken.com/2015/02/24/evo-2015-sunday-tournament-hall-passes-sold-out-registration-still-open/

I'd say it's safe to say that Melee will be in the finals on Sunday.

Hype!

I did my part for Smash 4, I entered both, but definitely focusing on Melee.

Holy fucking shit, this is unreal.

I think it may be safe to say the Marvel 3 and Melee lines have crossed. We #2 now.

Melee just sits in the back then casually walks up to the second biggest dude and snatches his kufi.

Edit:

This is doubly hilarious to me because I just finished Arrested Development and all I can think of during the song is Gob. Damn, that was a good show.

Arrested Development is too fucking good. I'm still waiting for Season 5 (rip me) or something I can use as a substitute. Legitimately one of the weirdest things I've ever taken such an extreme liking to. :lol

 

[Blarg]

I'm starting to get into Melee as a beginner to the competetive scene (played tons casually when I younger). Help me pick my main, thinking Puff or Falco. I like to play very aggressive, is it possible with Puff? She seems like more of a spacing/campy character. Falco seems to suit that style better, but I doubt my fingers are fast enough to pull him off.

 

[theprodigy]

I think it may be safe to say the Marvel 3 and Melee lines have crossed. We #2 now.

Smash 4 probably gonna bop Marvel for #3 too, Marvel is truly dead now

Spoiler

Kappa

 

[Revven]

I'm starting to get into Melee as a beginner to the competetive scene (played tons casually when I younger). Help me pick my main, thinking Puff or Falco. I like to play very aggressive, is it possible with Puff? She seems like more of a spacing/campy character. Falco seems to suit that style better, but I doubt my fingers are fast enough to pull him off.

Captain Falcon or Sheik might be more up your alley if you're looking for aggressive-style characters that don't require as much techskill as Falco or Fox. Pikachu is also an option but he's difficult to master, not easy to just pick up like Sheik is for example.

 

[GamerJM]

The closer we get to EVO the less I feel like Mang0 isn't gonna win, he's really focused on streaming, fan interaction, and hasn't been training as much.

Honestly if that's the case I want either M2K, Armada, or Leffen to win. Mainly M2K though.

Also how many entrants is Smash 4 at?

I got my money on Armada, I believe in that new Fox. I don't think people are going to have him "figured out," in time.

 

[Mumei]

I want PPMD to win, but only if he plays Marth most of the time~

 

[Tomohawk]

If mango goes falcon, which I don't think he will, then I want him to win evo.

 

[emb]

I'm starting to get into Melee as a beginner to the competetive scene (played tons casually when I younger). Help me pick my main, thinking Puff or Falco. I like to play very aggressive, is it possible with Puff? She seems like more of a spacing/campy character. Falco seems to suit that style better, but I doubt my fingers are fast enough to pull him off.

Aggressive Puff is doable, but I think it gets outshined by campy Puff once you start getting better. Her floatiness + light weight + high air mobility make it harder to combo her, so recklessly approaching can in some ways be pretty safe with her; you'll probably get more off of a successful approach than they'll get if you mess up. Playing the spacing/campy game can also be done pretty aggressively; she can move in and out of your opponent's zone pretty quickly in the air and bait retaliation. It's just really hard to actually get in with her versus characters like Fox and Marth.

Falco's a huge glass cannon, and tech errors will probably be super costly. Most of his aggression comes from laser approaches and mixups. Once you're in, there's probably a solid combo with shines/uTilts/dairs for you. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about your fingers being fast enough at first. No matter what, when you start playing you will suck (though you're not exactly starting, hopefully my point there still comes across). Believe in yourself to eventually adapt your skills to the character you think looks like the most fun.

I think you should definitely go with one of the characters that immediately came to mind. Unless you're willing to play Falcon. Then always play Falcon.

 

[Pappasman]

While I think M2K at his best is the true #1 player, he's way too inconsistent and gets in his own head. My Marth savior for this year has got to be PPMD.

 

[Fugu]

I really wish I had the kind of free time necessary to be a part of my local Melee scene. I love this game.

Armada seems like he has a pretty good shot but I don't care much to cheer for him if he's not playing as Peach.

 

[Daouzin]

I dunno, I can't decide if I want Mang0 or Leffen to win. Leffen winning would be so hype, but I love Mang0.

I think both Mang0 and M2K have just been distracted lately, with practically 5 months before EVO I think they should be focused by then.

 

[Blarg]

Captain Falcon or Sheik might be more up your alley if you're looking for aggressive-style characters that don't require as much techskill as Falco or Fox. Pikachu is also an option but he's difficult to master, not easy to just pick up like Sheik is for example.

Aggressive Puff is doable, but I think it gets outshined by campy Puff once you start getting better. Her floatiness + light weight + high air mobility make it harder to combo her, so recklessly approaching can in some ways be pretty safe with her; you'll probably get more off of a successful approach than they'll get if you mess up. Playing the spacing/campy game can also be done pretty aggressively; she can move in and out of your opponent's zone pretty quickly in the air and bait retaliation. It's just really hard to actually get in with her versus characters like Fox and Marth.

Falco's a huge glass cannon, and tech errors will probably be super costly. Most of his aggression comes from laser approaches and mixups. Once you're in, there's probably a solid combo with shines/uTilts/dairs for you. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about your fingers being fast enough at first. No matter what, when you start playing you will suck (though you're not exactly starting, hopefully my point there still comes across). Believe in yourself to eventually adapt your skills to the character you think looks like the most fun.

I think you should definitely go with one of the characters that immediately came to mind. Unless you're willing to play Falcon. Then always play Falcon.

Great advice, thanks guys. I'm actually now leaning towards Sheik or Falcon. I like Sheik overall a bit better overall but Falcon short hop knee is the shit.

Edit: Feeling Sheik a lot more now after some practice. Maybe I'll just play both for the time being, maybe even mix some Puff in.

 

[emb]

Great advice, thanks guys. I'm actually now leaning towards Sheik or Falcon. I like Sheik overall a bit better overall but Falcon short hop knee is the shit.

Edit: Feeling Sheik a lot more now after some practice. Maybe I'll just play both for the time being, maybe even mix some Puff in.

Sheik is super fun, and I feel like she's under represented given how solid she is. Good call.

 

[Eman Resu]

Ooh, great thread.

 

[Cody_D165]

Great advice, thanks guys. I'm actually now leaning towards Sheik or Falcon. I like Sheik overall a bit better overall but Falcon short hop knee is the shit.

Edit: Feeling Sheik a lot more now after some practice. Maybe I'll just play both for the time being, maybe even mix some Puff in.

join the Falcon army

we have swag

 

[Shimesaba]

Great advice, thanks guys. I'm actually now leaning towards Sheik or Falcon. I like Sheik overall a bit better overall but Falcon short hop knee is the shit.

Edit: Feeling Sheik a lot more now after some practice. Maybe I'll just play both for the time being, maybe even mix some Puff in.

Sheik/Falcon will work for a while, but if you really do want to play aggressively all the time, the only characters who can pull that off in any given matchup are Fox and Falco.

Honestly Sheik and Falcon are both defensive characters. Falcon just doesn't come across as one so people don't realize..

 

[chaosblade]

Sheik/Falcon will work for a while, but if you really do want to play aggressively all the time, the only characters who can pull that off in any given matchup are Fox and Falco.

Honestly Sheik and Falcon are both defensive characters. Falcon just doesn't come across as one so people don't realize..

This is what I was going to reply with. I don't have a lot of Sheik experience but Falcon is all about his punish game. He is a rush down punish sort of character, but he has almost no good approach options.

He's also not a very easy character, you pretty much have to be able to SHFFL well and have good spacing. Edit: and be good at tech chasing. Important stuff for any character but it really is the bare minimum with Falcon along with understanding how to use him.

 

[Anth0ny]

Get Smashed at the Foundry is magic right now

 

[Shimesaba]

This is what I was going to reply with. I don't have a lot of Sheik experience but Falcon is all about his punish game. He is a rush down punish sort of character, but he has almost no good approach options.

He's also not a very easy character, you pretty much have to be able to SHFFL well and have good spacing.

Right. Sheik is also defensive and punishment-oriented, but she doesn't get mistaken for an offensive character very often because she's not as flashy as Falcon. People see the knees and the fire and they assume that Falcon is meant to run around blowing people up, but yeah sorry no real approaches means that your actual gameplan is going to be to control space with nair until you can get a grab. Newer players probably shouldn't be picking him until they're really solid on dashdancing and SHFFLing at least.

A bunch of Smash TOs are hinting at a big tournament reveal today. Guess its Genesis 3 in the MD/VA area.

The announcement got delayed, but it was never going to be this. Genesis 3, if/when it happens, will be in NorCal, and it won't be announced on a random Xanadu stream in the middle of the week, especially when NorCal has a regional coming up in April.

If it was a tourney announcement, something like a successor to the Pound Series is more likely.

 

[Azure J]

So hypothetical set of questions for Competitive Melee-GAF/Smash-GAF/Design-GAF:

You are making a Melee-like platform fighter (with your own unique ideas here and there of course) and you begin thinking of the roster. You're aiming for something modest in number (16-24 characters) and begin brainstorming the general idea behind the combatants.

- Based on Melee, what archetypes would you immediately think of covering?
- What fighting styles/archetypes would you begin to think of after the previous that either didn't exist in Melee or still don't exist in the grand scheme of Smash at current?
- What would you consider an optimal number for this pet project?

Personally, I think as though a platform fighter should have a Fox, Falco, Falcon, Puff, Marth and Peach analogue to start things off with. Similar to how every traditional fighting game after Street Fighter has its Ryu/Ken/Chun Li/Zangief/Guile, I figure a few of these guys have move sets or extra attributes that are just too iconic to the platform fighter design not to be represented. That and their overall popularity in Melee would probably result in having good "basic" or immediately understood design

As for fighting styles I'd explore, everyone should know I love me some swords and as such, I'd have a few variations of swordplay in the roster (fencer, knight, heavy/large swordsman/berserker & Japanese Iaijutsu). I've also been fond of the idea of a "tuck and roll" run & gunner a la Elphelt in Guilty Gear.

Finally, I'm thinking 20-24, or sticking near upper end of that limit would be pretty cool for a new property to do. Enough characters that the match ups are varied but easy enough on the potential workload.

Spoiler

As this is the Competitive Melee Discussion thread and not the "theory design thread", I'm trying not to go full hog with concepts I've actually planned out or thought of. I figured this would still be an interesting exercise though to see what people think of Melee's cast.

 

[Daouzin]

Right. Sheik is also defensive and punishment-oriented, but she doesn't get mistaken for an offensive character very often because she's not as flashy as Falcon. People see the knees and the fire and they assume that Falcon is meant to run around blowing people up, but yeah sorry no real approaches means that your actual gameplan is going to be to control space with nair until you can get a grab. Newer players probably shouldn't be picking him until they're really solid on dashdancing and SHFFLing at least.



The announcement got delayed, but it was never going to be this. Genesis 3, if/when it happens, will be in NorCal, and it won't be announced on a random Xanadu stream in the middle of the week, especially when NorCal has a regional coming up in April.

If it was a tourney announcement, something like a successor to the Pound Series is more likely.

Do you know when it will be announced now?

With EVO being 5 months away, I'd be pretty excited for another big tournament in the halfway point between now and then.

 

[Blarg]

Sheik/Falcon will work for a while, but if you really do want to play aggressively all the time, the only characters who can pull that off in any given matchup are Fox and Falco.

Honestly Sheik and Falcon are both defensive characters. Falcon just doesn't come across as one so people don't realize..

Fair enough. I'll do Sheik for a while and keep Falco in mind. Just see how it goes. Thanks

 

[Daouzin]

So hypothetical set of questions for Competitive Melee-GAF/Smash-GAF/Design-GAF:

You are making a Melee-like platform fighter (with your own unique ideas here and there of course) and you begin thinking of the roster. You're aiming for something modest in number (16-24 characters) and begin brainstorming the general idea behind the combatants.

- Based on Melee, what archetypes would you immediately think of covering?
- What fighting styles/archetypes would you begin to think of after the previous that either didn't exist in Melee or still don't exist in the grand scheme of Smash at current?
- What would you consider an optimal number for this pet project?

Personally, I think as though a platform fighter should have a Fox, Falco, Falcon, Puff, Marth and Peach analogue to start things off with. Similar to how every traditional fighting game after Street Fighter has its Ryu/Ken/Chun Li/Zangief/Guile, I figure a few of these guys have move sets or extra attributes that are just too iconic to the platform fighter design not to be represented. That and their overall popularity in Melee would probably result in having good "basic" or immediately understood design

As for fighting styles I'd explore, everyone should know I love me some swords and as such, I'd have a few variations of swordplay in the roster (fencer, knight, heavy/large swordsman/berserker & Japanese Iaijutsu). I've also been fond of the idea of a "tuck and roll" run & gunner a la Elphelt in Guilty Gear.

Finally, I'm thinking 20-24, or sticking near upper end of that limit would be pretty cool for a new property to do. Enough characters that the match ups are varied but easy enough on the potential workload.

Spoiler

As this is the Competitive Melee Discussion thread and not the "theory design thread", I'm trying not to go full hog with concepts I've actually planned out or thought of. I figured this would still be an interesting exercise though to see what people think of Melee's cast.

Yeah, I think you hit all the main characters that should be included.

I think Ganon should be represented. Ganon is a slow character, but he does have bursts of speed he can access for hard punishes or hard reads. Platform dashes allow for this best, but another thing that separates Ganon from Falcon would be his up. It's a great way to reset positioning to neutral which is why I absolutely hate Ganon's Smash 4 Up B, they nurfed it too severely, it should be a feasible kill move to punish opponents for closing in at the wrong time. Also Ganon's reverse up air is pretty effective to the spacies.

Alot of people hate that Ganon is a clone, but personally I find Ganon more enjoyable than Falcon precisely because of which moves in his tool set are best and how they are used.

Basically to represent Ganon I would recommend having moves that fuction simiarly to the following:
-Jab
-Up B
-Up Air
-Good Wavedash
-Something that allows for good tech chasing like Smash 4 Forward B or Melee Down air.

Characters I think should also be represented:
-PM or Smash 4 Sonic
-PM Bowser

I think 20 characters is plenty.