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Conkers: Live and Uncut isn't Uncut?
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Jared Goodwin
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But to not buy it because Microsoft won't bother having it updated to not have dated jokes, but will charge you $50 for a lesser version of what can be had for $10 anywhere?
Hmmmmmmm.
Hmmmmmmm.
Date of Lies
Banned
The censoring is pretty damn gay because part of what makes Conkey's Bad Fur Day Conker's Bad Fur Day was the outlandishness of it all, INCLUDING the now censored bits. As far as I know, not alot of games throw caution to the wind and let these kinds of things slide, but Conker did, which is one of the reasons I liked it. So this is sounding pretty gay right about now.
BlackClouds
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bleeping isn't so bad, if that extreme bugs bunny flash is any indication.
many of you seem to be missing the point that some are making.
Conker was released in arguably the perfect state. It was a great game, had extremely fun multiplayer, and was just an all around blast. Rare got chastised during the making of the game for taking so long, and when it was released, all was forgiven.
Since Conker, Rare has released only Star Fox Adventures, an average game at best, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, also an average game at best, and now Conker. Many feel let down by Rare, who previously these fans loved. Now they find out that the game is actually edited, in language, difficulty and length, and it just doesn't make sense. In three years Rare released Grabbed by the Ghoulies and this on XBox. People were expecting the second coming and all they get is a prettier version of an edited game with Live multiplayer.
People aren't not buying it because of the censoring, that is just another straw on the camel's back to them. They already felt like they weren't getting a whole lot and now they find out they are getting even less.
If you are happy with how the game is sounding that's great. But don't down on other people because they feel rare over the past 4 years has just been one disappointment after another. by that reckoning all of the Star Wars PT haters should shut up because Geroge gave us new Star Wars movies.. who cares how different they are from the originals, we should just be happy, right?
Conker was released in arguably the perfect state. It was a great game, had extremely fun multiplayer, and was just an all around blast. Rare got chastised during the making of the game for taking so long, and when it was released, all was forgiven.
Since Conker, Rare has released only Star Fox Adventures, an average game at best, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, also an average game at best, and now Conker. Many feel let down by Rare, who previously these fans loved. Now they find out that the game is actually edited, in language, difficulty and length, and it just doesn't make sense. In three years Rare released Grabbed by the Ghoulies and this on XBox. People were expecting the second coming and all they get is a prettier version of an edited game with Live multiplayer.
People aren't not buying it because of the censoring, that is just another straw on the camel's back to them. They already felt like they weren't getting a whole lot and now they find out they are getting even less.
If you are happy with how the game is sounding that's great. But don't down on other people because they feel rare over the past 4 years has just been one disappointment after another. by that reckoning all of the Star Wars PT haters should shut up because Geroge gave us new Star Wars movies.. who cares how different they are from the originals, we should just be happy, right?
The_Sorrow
Banned
Hmmm seems like Nintendo actually gave Rare more freedom in developing games then MS is currently giving them. Isn't this one of the reasons they left Nintendo?
This is really disapointing news.
This is really disapointing news.
Jumpman Jr.
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could someone clear up the option thingie?
will the game offer an explicit language/bleeped out language option or up-front, or, as Dopey Fish suggested, after the game is completed?
Because, let me tell you something, I've already played this game. I'm not gonna play it all the way through, just so I can play it a third time, with the cussing.
will the game offer an explicit language/bleeped out language option or up-front, or, as Dopey Fish suggested, after the game is completed?
Because, let me tell you something, I've already played this game. I'm not gonna play it all the way through, just so I can play it a third time, with the cussing.
There was nothing monotonous in Conker which is why I still consider it the best platformer ever. Vanhelzing costume is cute but it sure as hell doesnt make up missing gameplay sections, I was expecting even more levels to be added after all this time. Conker N64 has DPII and the best visuals on the N64. I will pick the 'uncut' version up for $20. I have not seen anything interesting about multiplayer. The beach front was the only one that anyone at my house enjoyed and that only kept out attentions for a few minutes.
It sounds to me like IGN was being sarcastic when the mentioned that glorious task had been left out. And color me quircky but it sounded frustrating, I think honestly the reason they think it is easier is mostly becuase I bet the control is way better, I got stuck in the game where you have to piss the rock dudes into holes at the dance club mostly becuase it was sto hard to control conker when drunk and pissing, and if you didn't do it quickly enough then they got up and smacked you and you had to do it again and again...
As for the censoring, weren't the voices censored regarldess of what the word baloons said half the time ? I'd downloaded that Sloprano.mp3 myself and twat was pretty much always censored, I just think the word ballooon had it written down.
This was pretty much the only game I wanted for Xbox this year so I'll still pick it up regardless of how much of an apparent hack job it is, I mean it looks fecking gorgous.
As for the censoring, weren't the voices censored regarldess of what the word baloons said half the time ? I'd downloaded that Sloprano.mp3 myself and twat was pretty much always censored, I just think the word ballooon had it written down.
This was pretty much the only game I wanted for Xbox this year so I'll still pick it up regardless of how much of an apparent hack job it is, I mean it looks fecking gorgous.
Kobun Heat
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"Shit" and "twat" were not censored in the original.
The way they censored words in the original was funny in and of itself, because it wasn't just bleeeep. It was f[bleep]k. Bleeping -- in moderation! -- can be hilarious.
The way they censored words in the original was funny in and of itself, because it wasn't just bleeeep. It was f[bleep]k. Bleeping -- in moderation! -- can be hilarious.
Shin Johnpv
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Date of Lies said:
that is the FUCKING point right there
like some one else said if the roles were reversed people would be having a field day
"OMG NINTENDO KIDDIE" "NINTENDO CENSORING AGAIN THE R TEH SUCK!!!"
etc etc
while I had no plans of paying 50 dollars for this in the first place, and who ever said conker was all about the multiplayer anyway, WTF shit is that it had a damn good single player I never even touched the multiplayer in it
this was always a 20 dollar purchase for me, the fact that theyre censoring it and taking stuff out, just makes it all the more a 20 dollar purchase, usually with remakes they tend to add stuff in
i do wonder how people would have reacted if REmake had stuff taken out and was more censored
Ninja Scooter
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Ghost said:
DUde, i have the game, i played through it a handful of times. Twat is NOT censored. Hell, im american, i've only heard the word twat like 3 times in my entire life, if it was censored in Conker 64 there's no way i would have been able to pick it out if the Poo called Conker a "little #$%". Anyway, the cursing isn't that big a deal (though its lame, wtf is the point of the game is rated M anyway?), but taking out gameplay elements is just lame. Don't tell me that after 3 years Rare STILL has to cut stuff out just to rush the game out in time? thats ridiculous. And the game will probably bomb just like the N64 version did anyway. Its funny how when it was first announced, they wanted to expand to the audience that missed it on N64, yet they are making the same mistake as back then by launching it at the end of a systems life.
Shin Johnpv
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Gek54 said:
that really is the key thing here
when you tell me about a remake I expect stuff to be added not taken out and a new custome is not the same as new levels and such
DIrtyWeasel
Member
When Conker: Live and Uncut was annoucned I thought it would be like the first game but with extra scenes, but the final result is a shorter game and more censoring...
I guess most of the work done on this game was for the online multiplayer.
Just curious... does anybody around here actually use the word "twat"?
I guess most of the work done on this game was for the online multiplayer.
Just curious... does anybody around here actually use the word "twat"?
What made Conker great was that the game was so outrageous.
Here was a game, that looked cutesy, but spewed curses all over the place as if it was nothing. Here was a game that boldly mocked movies. Here was an awesome experience.
Now I find out that they're re-releasing it, but they've taken a good chunk of that experience away. They're censoring some of the curses, which when said in the original added to the crazed atmosphere. They haven't really added any new parts to the awesome single-player experience. They could certainly be mocking more movies, but they aren't. They've taken away bits of the old game, and now it's easier and shorter.
W.T.F.
I was really pumped for this game when it was announced, but it's just been one disappointment after another.
Here was a game, that looked cutesy, but spewed curses all over the place as if it was nothing. Here was a game that boldly mocked movies. Here was an awesome experience.
Now I find out that they're re-releasing it, but they've taken a good chunk of that experience away. They're censoring some of the curses, which when said in the original added to the crazed atmosphere. They haven't really added any new parts to the awesome single-player experience. They could certainly be mocking more movies, but they aren't. They've taken away bits of the old game, and now it's easier and shorter.
W.T.F.
I was really pumped for this game when it was announced, but it's just been one disappointment after another.
Gaia Theory
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It's got to be said.
When Rare was sold BY Nintendo to Microsoft, everyone thought that the Nintendo shackles had been lifted.
That the mature, yet kiddie company Rare, would suddenly only start producing mature titles.
Turns out that is not true, and even their mature titles are being censored more heavily than Nintendo - the king of kiddie to some - by Rare's new daddy - Microsoft.
So for all the bitching that was made about Nintendo holding Rare back and for all the cheers that MS would save them from publisher demands - We now have Conker Reloaded to use as an example of how people's perceptions are often wrong.
When Rare was sold BY Nintendo to Microsoft, everyone thought that the Nintendo shackles had been lifted.
That the mature, yet kiddie company Rare, would suddenly only start producing mature titles.
Turns out that is not true, and even their mature titles are being censored more heavily than Nintendo - the king of kiddie to some - by Rare's new daddy - Microsoft.
So for all the bitching that was made about Nintendo holding Rare back and for all the cheers that MS would save them from publisher demands - We now have Conker Reloaded to use as an example of how people's perceptions are often wrong.
I'm thinking it's more like an example that Rare has problems no matter who's holding the reins rather than a vindication of Nintendo. Nintendo still held Rare back in the sense that they forced them to turnaround a project like Dinosaur Planet, which looked a very promising original IP, into the godawful Star Fox Adventures.Gaia Theory said:
WordAssassin
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Duckhuntdog said:
Oh, I know. Lovely thought, eh? Banjo Threely and Fouro! Killer Instict 3! Conker's Other Bad Day! Velvet Dark: PD2! Sorry Rare you can't ever make an original game again! Once you've finally managed to shit Kameo out the door and possibly Sabreman Stampeed [if it hasn't been axed] it's sequel city for you, hahahaha!
The only good that could come of this is Jet Force Gemini 2.
Or are you insinuting that, like Nintendo, Microsoft will force IPs onto Rare?
BLINX 3!
Gaia Theory said:
So "everyone" thought they'd be making nothing but mature titles? That's simply bullshit.
Not to mention you (and many others) choose to ignore the posts that state you have the option to play it uncensored, which I can't say I'm surprised by.
A Rare thread to embittered Nintendo fans is like shit to flies.
Yes, it changed a lot. For one thing, wouldn't have been any Arwing sequences, and the story would not have had to be crammed into the StarFox universe. A lot of the original character designs went out the window.akascream said:
Regardless, it's still an example of Nintendo "holding back" Rare. Rare wanted to make an original game called Dinosaur Planet, which was directed against their will to become Star Fox Adventures.
WordAssassin
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akascream said:
They chopped off more then half the game when they turned it into SFA. In Dinosaur Planet you had quests not only as Sabre, but as the princess too. She had a whole other side of the game to play, that was much more puzzle oriented while Sabre's was more action/adventure IIRC. They replaced her half of the game with some shitty Arwing missions. Yaaay.
Edit: Not even to mention the FUCKING AWFUL ENDING. "YES! I get to fight General Scales! He is badass this is going to be a awesome staff/sword fight." OR IS IT!?! OH, NEVERMIND. General Scales just FUCKING DIES AND YOU GO FIGHT ANDROSS. AGAIN. WHOOP-DE-FUCKING-DOO.
God DAMMIT I was so pissed off when that happened. The only reason I was able to beat Andross was that I was so filled with rage and fury from that tacked-on, total shit cop-out forced StarFox ending.
Gaia Theory
Member
So am I to understand that I am considered a troll for pointing out the obvious?
MS absolutely is not providing the environment to Rare that everyone thought they would. Nintendo did not censor Conker as much as Microsoft.
Personally, the potty-mouth, lowest denominator humor and poorly executed satire in Conker never did anything for me - so the inclusion or censorship of words like asshole, shit, fuck and twat REALLY don't register with me one way or the other.
What is important to recognize is that MS has a console that is healthy, has probably around 80% titles released on the machine rated M for mature, yet decided they had to censor a game that on a dead platform, with roughly 80% titles rated E for everyone, made it to market with more curses intact.
WHAT is being censored is not important - what is important is that censorship is happening at all.
MS absolutely is not providing the environment to Rare that everyone thought they would. Nintendo did not censor Conker as much as Microsoft.
Personally, the potty-mouth, lowest denominator humor and poorly executed satire in Conker never did anything for me - so the inclusion or censorship of words like asshole, shit, fuck and twat REALLY don't register with me one way or the other.
What is important to recognize is that MS has a console that is healthy, has probably around 80% titles released on the machine rated M for mature, yet decided they had to censor a game that on a dead platform, with roughly 80% titles rated E for everyone, made it to market with more curses intact.
WHAT is being censored is not important - what is important is that censorship is happening at all.
You make it sound so dirty, like 'the man' is holding them back. Can you really censor yourself? They probably just want to reach a wider audience. Sure the game is still a bit crass, but I can tell you a lot less people will be offended by it than if the f bomb was flying around.
It's like they get to have thier cake and eat it too. They get to swear, be mature AND not turn off the people offended by that stuff. Win win. =P
I didn't know that about SFA, too bad things are so ****** up right now...it would have been cool to see the original DP as like a DS game or something.
Ninja Scooter
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akascream said:
its a game that involves a cartoon squirrel pissing on stuff and fighting a giant pile of shit. The audience isnt likely to change just cause they censored a few words here and there. If they really wanted to reach a wider audience, maybe those lazy fucks should have tried to get the game out a little sooner than 6 months before the Xbox is dead.
m0dus said:
You know, for all your bitching about trolling, you sure do seem a bit narrowminded yourself. First of all, you go on and on about the "negative" changes being limited to the bleeping. If you read the article, you know that's not true. According to it, the game is much easier, can be beaten in 7-10 hours, has removed several gameplay segments and has not updated the jokes for a more relevant take on pop culture. In fact, it says the only change to the "jokes" is that during the vampire section Conker is wearing a Van Helsing costume. Not only does none of the commentary or dialogue during this section change to suite this new Van Helsing wannabe-parody take, but it's not a very funny topic in pop culture in the first place.
You're being silly. You're telling people they have the wrong reasons. And, you know, I am willing to agree to that so much as the focus of this game is obviously multiplayer. But it's quite realistic to be disappointed at some of the changes. I don't know if it'd be enough to make me not buy it, but I'm sorry - a big visual upgrade and a gameplay/dialogue downgrade is NOT the reason many wanted to replay the single player section. You can't understand that? Well that's a damn shame, because the complaints are relevant. There's an overreactionary tone to it, but it's certainly not unexpected. When you want X, Y and Z but only get X, Y and they take away Z and replace it with B, some people are going to be annoyed. That's what happens.
And like I said, I myself am annoyed. It's not enough to prevent me from getting it (unless Live play is totally fucked), but it IS a legitimate disappointment.
Ninja Scooter
Member
akascream said:
who says it bothers me? Its freakin videogames. Lighten up, i don't take this shit that seroiusly. ANd for what its worth, i was never going to buy this game anyway (at least not at full price, maybe for cheap if the single player is still solid) I just think the censoring is dumb, and there is really no logical reason for it, and the cutting of levels/scenarios,/gameplay elements is dumb AND lazy.
Amir0x said:
And this is why you're one of my favorite posters here. Well said.
I always have been planning to get Conker's Reloaded off the Xbox retail site, but I was hoping it'd be a beefy remake. The fact that it's shorter and only a few things have been added is a big bummer.
WordAssassin
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I'm wondering why nothing has been said of the "Panther King frozen in Carbonite" scene they added. And the much sought after but never officially confirmed alternate ending where Berri doesn't die. (Didn't Chris Seavor recently say something like, "With more powerful hardware, you get less lockups."?)
I mean, hell, the demo already has two new parts in it. A new boss battle that's a spoof of Kill Bill, and a VERY extended electrocution scene. I have a feeling there's been plenty added to the single player, it's just scattered around and in little bits, so IGN didn't notice. I likely wouldn't have noticed the extended scene in the demo had I not been such a major Conker whore when it first came out. (I mean, I know the 'official' name of the sequel, for Christ's sake.
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I mean, hell, the demo already has two new parts in it. A new boss battle that's a spoof of Kill Bill, and a VERY extended electrocution scene. I have a feeling there's been plenty added to the single player, it's just scattered around and in little bits, so IGN didn't notice. I likely wouldn't have noticed the extended scene in the demo had I not been such a major Conker whore when it first came out. (I mean, I know the 'official' name of the sequel, for Christ's sake.
)Kobun Heat
Member
Christ, now they're changing the ending? That was one of the best parts.
WordAssassin
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Maybe not getting rid of it, but having like a "you beat the game 100% here's an alternate ending" type of thing.
Though they already totaly fucked the Clockwork Orange spoof at the start of the game (shown in that movie linked to earlier.) In the N64 version (and the movie) he's holding a glass of milk. That MAKES the spoof for everyone I know. Now he has a big silver...I don't know what they're called, like a metal wine glass. Why did they do that?
Though they already totaly fucked the Clockwork Orange spoof at the start of the game (shown in that movie linked to earlier.) In the N64 version (and the movie) he's holding a glass of milk. That MAKES the spoof for everyone I know. Now he has a big silver...I don't know what they're called, like a metal wine glass. Why did they do that?
WordAssassin said:
The ending hasn't been changed, according to IGN:
IGN said:
So it appears.
WordAssassin said:
Wait...there's a new mini-Kill Bill spoof? I find that extremely hard to believe that IGN wouldn't have noticed that unless you're misclassifying the spoof. Do you have an images of it? See cause yeah, a Kill Bill spoof has potential. Seems like they spruced the camera up a bit, that's good to hear.
WordAssassin
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I'd wadger that if you think before you act you can censor yourself. Say you get into a joking conversation with a female friend and you're about to say "Yeah, they were as big as your tits." but you think better of it and don't say it.
Or, in my case, if I'm making a comic and I'm describing it to someone who I know won't get the content, I'll leave key things out. Like, I wouldn't tell my mom that there's a zombie animal gang-bang sequence in Kids and the Creep II: Zombie Jamboree.
Or, in my case, if I'm making a comic and I'm describing it to someone who I know won't get the content, I'll leave key things out. Like, I wouldn't tell my mom that there's a zombie animal gang-bang sequence in Kids and the Creep II: Zombie Jamboree.