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[Mrbob]

Can you give me some details on the Kill Bill spoof! You can put it in spoiler tags if you want!

 

[WordAssassin]

I can't take a screen of the Kill Bill bit, but I can tell you where/what it is.

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When Conker goes into the medical room and sees the two Tediz talking, ("What would happen if you gave this game to say, twenty, itelligent people. What would that do? I mean, let's face it what would that do?" "Yes, really..." "Huh, what's going on h--"OK I'll stop.) You shoot up all the Tediz in the room and as you're about the walk to the squirrel in the electric chair, the camera cuts to a kind of test tube thing and that ...uh..that music from Kill Bill...uh.. "VEEEEE DOOOOO VEEEEE DOOOOOO" starts playing. A giant nurse Teddi with a patch over one eye jumps out of the tube and throws syringes(sp?) at you. It's just a mini boss but it's still awesome.

 

[Mrbob]

Awesome! You said this scene is in the demo? If it is I'll have to fire up the demo in Jade Empire!

 

[Amir0x]

I can't take a screen of the Kill Bill bit, but I can tell you where/what it is.

Spoiler

When Conker goes into the medical room and sees the two Tediz talking, ("What would happen if you gave this game to say, twenty, itelligent people. What would that do? I mean, let's face it what would that do?" "Yes, really..." "Huh, what's going on h--"OK I'll stop.) You shoot up all the Tediz in the room and as you're about the walk to the squirrel in the electric chair, the camera cuts to a kind of test tube thing and that ...uh..that music from Kill Bill...uh.. "VEEEEE DOOOOO VEEEEE DOOOOOO" starts playing. A giant nurse Teddi with a patch over one eye jumps out of the tube and throws syringes(sp?) at you. It's just a mini boss but it's still awesome.

well that's sort of cool. I wish it was more extensive than just a general "nod", because there's a lot of material there.

 

[Mrbob]

well that's sort of cool. I wish it was more extensive than just a general "nod", because there's a lot of material there.

True.

I wish there was a parody of the battle with the Crazy 88s in the House of Blue Leaves!

 

[WordAssassin]

Yeah, but they have to save something for the sequel! Hyuk hyuk!


...


Seriously though, they do, since they're making one.

Sadly, though, you can expect a shit-ton of Staw Wars spoofs, because Chris Seavor wants to "really rip the shit out of Star Wars in the next one." Because, you know, Star Wars hasn't been ripped to shit already. :\

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah, but they have to save something for the sequel! Hyuk hyuk!

Seriously though, they do, since they're making one.

Sadly, though, you can expect a shit-ton of Staw Wars spoofs, because Chris Seavor wants to "really rip the shit out of Star Wars in the next one." Because, you know, Star Wars hasn't been ripped to shit already. :\

Well, they've never really been intelligent with the spoofs anyway. It's always been more of a goofy lowbrow sort of comedy spoof, which is appealing in its own way.

But hey, they're making a new Conker? Now that I have not heard! That makes me super excited. I doubt they'd just make it one massive string of Star Wars jokes either since the original was pretty varied.

 

[Jared Goodwin]

Yeah, but they have to save something for the sequel! Hyuk hyuk!


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Seriously though, they do, since they're making one.

Sadly, though, you can expect a shit-ton of Staw Wars spoofs, because Chris Seavor wants to "really rip the shit out of Star Wars in the next one." Because, you know, Star Wars hasn't been ripped to shit already. :\

Wouldn't Star Wars and Kill Bill parodies need to be coming out RIGHT NOW to be timely or relevant?

Even 15 months from now (which is a lot shorter than your typical Rare cycle) making fun of Star Wars and Kill Bill and Van Helsing is going to be...well, even more played

 

[Mama Smurf]

I've said it before, but Star Wars, Kill Bill, Spider-Man, Harry Potter and LOTR are just begging to be spoofed in a sequel.

Others too of course, less obvious ones hopefully.

 

[akascream]

I've said it before, but Star Wars, Kill Bill, Spider-Man, Harry Potter and LOTR are just begging to be spoofed in a sequel.

Others too of course, less obvious ones hopefully.

Xbox 3!!

 

[WordAssassin]

Yeah, a sequel's coming. Eventually. Chris Seavor talked about it back before Conker's BFD came out on RareNet's forums and apparently he's said a thing or two about it on whatever forum he's posting on this time to hype Live and Reloded. Something like, "Now that this one's done I can get started on the next one." or some other such vague comment.

Which is surprising because by the time Live and Reloaded is out, Seavor will hav been working on Conker games for the last eight years. I'd think he'd want a break after a while. (Though apparently he did have a break between BFD and L&R, where he worked on a now-canned futuristic racing game or something).

But, yeah, anyways. As far as I know, the sequel is called "Conker's Other Bad Day" and it was trademarked a little before Bad Fur Day came out. I have no idea if they intend to use that as the title for the next one, but I hope they do. Then they could make it a trillogy, and have "Conker's LAST Bad Day" which would end in such a way that from then on, Conker only had good days.

 

[Manick Joe]

Spoofed in a sequel??? That should be what we're looking forward to in L&R. The omissions of gameplay I agree are minor and a handful of jokes updated/added is nice, but are you kidding me there's nothing new in single player? I remember way back early on Rare talking about a Titanic parody level that was cut and would be put back into the remake. As for the bleeping, I get the impression some people think the original was fully uncensored. Obviously it wasn't, but to me it had that perfect blend of bleeped and not. It sounds like the Great Mighty Poo's glorious song (probably THE highlight of the original, I know I made sure I showed that to a bunch of my friends) is going to be a myriad of bleeps now. Yes this game looks graphically amazing and modified Live multiplayer is nice, however this doesn't look to me like a real honest 3 year work effort.

 

[WordAssassin]

Ah yes, the Titanic spoof. I'd say that's gone forever now, as by the time a sequel came out...well, I guess it's never too late to make fun or something, you just kinda miss the boat (pun not intended) on a hot thing to spoof. I'd think that had something to do with them removing the "Uncut" half of the name too.

However, the N64 was funny about the bleeping. In some places, "shit" wasn't bleeped, and in some places it was. I know that "c*nt" was always bleeped though (in the Exorcist scene).

But we should wait-and-see on the whole bleeping thing for the Xbox version. You may need to play through it once to unlock it, but maybe the second time through, uncut, will have the other "no-hardware-lockup" ending as an incentive too. Or something. Let's wait till it's out. There's still the whole "Panther King in Carbonite" scene that nobody seems to have written about, but has been confirmed (even with a screenshot).

 

[Mama Smurf]

Wouldn't Star Wars and Kill Bill parodies need to be coming out RIGHT NOW to be timely or relevant?

Even 15 months from now (which is a lot shorter than your typical Rare cycle) making fun of Star Wars and Kill Bill and Van Helsing is going to be...well, even more played

Didn't seem to be a problem with the original, which came out early 2001. That parodied, among many others,

Spoiler

Terminator, Alien, Saving Private Ryan, The Matrix,

and those four alone range from 2 years before the game came out to 23 years before.

 

[Amir0x]

Trolling? Show me where, in this thread, I was actually "trolling". As in anywhere I ripped on the game for reasons beyond what would be considered reasonable. quotes will suffice.

I didn't say you were trolling. I said you were bitching about trolling

Okaaay. So you evidently missed it when I was talking about the omission of minor tasks, here and there? or when I compared their loss to the addition of multiplayer? Fuck, give it a quick reread. As far as the updated jokes, take a look at some of the later posts in the thread.

I admit the Kill Bill spoof is new, I'm just telling you that your particular example isn't exactly a major additional spoof. I didn't know about the KB spoof and the IGN article didn't talk about it (which is weird), but jus' sayin'. It's pretty much the exact same game (in terms of single player) with updated visuals and a better camera, but with some parts removed, extra bleepin' and an easier difficulty. So depending on your focus, the omissions are more serious than the additions are good. Again, I agree, it's not a dealbreaker though.

No, I am saying you have the wrong reason for wanting a game if its purchase hinges upon whether or not the words "twat" and "shit" are censored. Because, last I checked, that didn't affect the physics of the platforming, the control, the graphics, or the storyline. And people blubbering about boycotting the game because of the "principle" of the actual added bleeping are even more full of crap.

Well let's say that the audience complaining here have played the original extensively. You can imagine that if they liked it original they wouldn't want certain things changed, and when they are changed they're complaining. That's understandable, which you agree to. But I think the main reason behind the complaint is that the motivation behind replaying the single player game seems to be lookin' at pretty visuals. But if we're being honest, the complaints (I think) are partially motivated by the fact that a lot of the people complaining probably don't have live anyway so they were bankin' on the single player game for their enjoyment.

Again--the addition of multiplayer isn't enough of an 'upgrade' to you? and, frankly, considering that the IGN peeps have been playing the N64 version of conker (remember their extensive comparison pics?) you don't happen to think that, just MAYBE, that had a significant effect on their completion time with the game? Do you seriously think more than, say, 5% is actually "missing"? And would that amount, whatever it may be, not be made up for with getting a vastly superior looking/playing (in terms of the actual controller, multiplayer features, etc) version?

Who knows. Have to play it. I hope the multiplayer is a good enough upgrade, but truthfully that's only half the package. I do wish their was a quality single player campaign that built upon the original significantly, but again it's not a dealbreaker.

Agreed. I would say I was a bit annoyed that certain things have changed--but not to the point that I'd be bemoaning it to the world at large, or declaring -1 purchase. That's pretty idiotic, if you actually are in this hobby to *play* the games.

Edit: and I suck at the internet :lol

Well, I agree.

Edit: And yes, as AniHawk said the original has multiplayer. Just not online multiplayer.

 

[AniHawk]

Again--the addition of multiplayer

Have you even played the original?

 

[fse]

Where can I get the demo?

 

[turok4n64]

someone please let me know that the music is intack

Rock Soild
Depressed Ending Music

they both better be in there....or purchasing I'm not.

 

[WordAssassin]

You get the demo when you preorder Conker (which is how I got it) or in...last month's? OXM.

Also, I just remembered another addition to the "single player" is a whole new Chapter, called "Chapter X." It's in the multiplayer mode, but IIRC it's an offline/playing multi by yourself mode and it's supposed to continue the single player story (there are nine chapters to the single player, Chapter X = Chapter 10, get it? Ha ha.)

As far as multiplayer goes, I'm all for the Old War and New War shit they added, but I really, really hope that the old mulitplayer modes made it in too. Like Beach, Heist, It's War, Catpure the Flag, Race, that Tank one, etc. It's War was my FAVORITE and Heist was worth playing simply for the music.


EDIT: I remember reading that all the music is the same, just re-recorded for the Xbox's higher quality. I think the only music that's changed is the Pisstastic urination music. (Which is really sad if true, because I really liked that pissing music--which, here's some pointless trivia for you, is a remix from Conker's Pocket Tales. Yes, I am that fucking retardedly hardcore. )

 

[AniHawk]

Where can I get the demo?

Check for stores that still have it. It's a preorder bonus. If that fails, and if you have access to Xbox retail, you can get a copy for 100 points.

 

[AniHawk]

I seem to recall BUYING an N64 for the game. Even put it on the same shelf as my Dreamcast.


In actuality, I meant to say 'online multiplayer' in my haste to write the words "twat" and "shit" one more time :lol did I mention I suck at the internet, on occasion?

Answer the damn question.

 

[Amir0x]

you know, m0dus, on second thought you really do fail at the internet

 

[Prince of Space]

WTF? The game plays an Ironside knockoff when a Tediz appears, and you people are calling it a Kill Bill parody?

 

[Prine]

i thought the demo was pretty hard, kept dying on beach assualt

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

the humor is in the bleeping you stupid bleeps

Fixed.

 

[Azure Dream]

Continuing the fact that Nintendo seems to be the bastion of FREEEEDOM, has anyone actually played Paper Mario 2? I mean, in the first town of the game, there's a hang man's noose right in the town square!

There was also the outline of a dead Toad (not "the," just a) near that area with the noose, ala a crime scene, but it was taken out of the US version.

Still, I'll agree, TTYD did have a slightly nasty side in a few respects (and I remember the "Penguin Murder Mystery" in the N64 original, and thinking that

Spoiler

even though the penguin nonsensically wasn't dead

that some of the language they used to describe what they assumed happened was pretty graphic.

And the much sought after but never officially confirmed alternate ending where Berri doesn't die. (Didn't Chris Seavor recently say something like, "With more powerful hardware, you get less lockups."?)

That would make things worse, though, wouldn it? Conker

Spoiler

used the lock-up to blackmail the developer, Berri was already dead and he forgot to ask the developers to resurrect her.

 

[Mejilan]

*shakes head*

I always hated Conker, but this isn't good news for the fans.

 

[WordAssassin]

WTF? The game plays an Ironside knockoff when a Tediz appears, and you people are calling it a Kill Bill parody?

Well, we're calling it a Kill Bill parody because that's what it IS. They play the MUSIC from Kill Bill. A Tedi dressed as a NURSE with A PATCH OVER ONE EYE attacks you WITH SYRINGES while said music is playing.

Now, what recent movie had a character like this in it?

If you said Kill Bill, you're right!

 

[DDayton]

I still find it hard to believe that anyone is going to buy this game for the multiplayer. Maybe I'm nuts, but I've yet to see the appeal in it...

An as an aside... we are not going to see a Conker sequel if this game fails to sell, and we haven't been given sufficient evidence as to why a Rare title, OR a Conker title, will necessarily sell in copious amounts these days.

 

[Alex]

I'm buying it for the multiplayer, visually hiked single with much better controls is just an added bonus.

The war mode multiplayer on the N64 was great stuff, even with how amazingly limited it was. Brilliant design, I just can't wait to give it a go with all the added fluff and polish. Maps, vehicles, classes, all that jazz.

My only minor complaint is the other modes are taking an omission so they can focus on the War stuff, right? There's no real problem with that, although I also had a (although much smaller) thing for the Bank Heist mode.

 

[WordAssassin]

Conker didn't sell on the N64 but Rare decided to make a sequel to it for Xbox. Conker Live. Then they decided to throw in the N64 game. Then they saw that the N64 game looked like shit compared to the multiplayer part so they redid the graphics. Conker Live and Reloaded.

Also, Rare doesn't really have any say anymore as to what games it makes. Microsoft wants Conker and Perfect Dark to become their mature franchise titles along with Halo and Project Gotham Racing. Weather Rare wants to do it or not, if MS wants a Conker's Other Bad Day then there will be a Conker's Other Bad Day. Just as Bungie didn't want to make a Halo 3, and wanted the series to end with Halo 2. But guess what? It didn't end at Halo 2 did it, and we're going to get a Halo 3, aren't we?

Same goes for Banjo. The Banjo Team was absolutely sick of Banjo by the time Banjo-Tooie was done. They said it'd be years, is ever, before they made a third Banjo game. However I can assure you that there's a Banjo-Threely in development at Rare right now for the Xbox 360. And if not right now, very, very soon.

 

[Deleted member 284]

Well, we're calling it a Kill Bill parody because that's what it IS. They play the MUSIC from Kill Bill. A Tedi dressed as a NURSE with A PATCH OVER ONE EYE
attacks you WITH SYRINGES while said music is playing.

I think he was trying to say the sample is from Ironside (music by Quincy Jones)

 

[WordAssassin]

I think he was trying to say the sample is from Ironside (music by Quincy Jones)

Shhhhhhh!




Actually, I think he was trying to say that just because the music sounded like Ironside didn't mean it was a Kill Bill spoof. That's choosing to ignore the ripoff Tedi character, though.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Same goes for Banjo. The Banjo Team was absolutely sick of Banjo by the time Banjo-Tooie was done. They said it'd be years, is ever, before they made a third Banjo game. However I can assure you that there's a Banjo-Threely in development at Rare right now for the Xbox 360. And if not right now, very, very soon.

Well gee, it was 3 years between the release of Tooie and GBTG, the team could well be refreshed and ready to take on the Banjo universe again. Doesn't necessarily have to be MS forcing them (though given GBTG's sales, the team couldn't exactly put up a case).

And even if it comes out at the end of this year, which I hear is unlikely, Banjo-Kazoothree would be 5 years after the last console version. So it's not like what they said doesn't hold up.

 

[Alex]

Conker cleared like 500k on the N64 I believe. It just didn't sell by classic Rare standards.

Sorta like Chrono Cross, which what, cleared like 700k in Japan and another 500k in the US but Square was still dissapointed by comparison?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Conker cleared like 500k on the N64 I believe. It just didn't sell by classic Rare standards.

it was a long time ago so maybe im not remembering clearly, but im pretty sure most of that is because the game went bargain bin fairly quickly, and was available for $10 at TRU and Targets for what seemed like AGES.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Conker cleared like 500k on the N64 I believe. It just didn't sell by classic Rare standards.

Yep, a big part of that was Nintendo's terrible marketing campaign they put together for the game. They wouldn't air it until a certain time at night and then it was only aired on certain male oriented channels.

Sorta like Chrono Cross, which what, cleared like 700k in Japan and another 500k in the US but Square was still dissapointed by comparison?

I think they were especially pissed that Legend of Dragoon outsold it in the US.

 

[WordAssassin]

Pretty sure they said they wanted to take an eight year break, but I can't back that up in the least (the website's long gone).

The general feeling of the article was that the Banjo Team didn't want to make Banjo games anymore. (Hence they're now the Ghoulies Team, and wil soon be...what, I'm not sure, the Sabreman Stampeed Team?)

Another good point it Killer Instinct III, but whatever. The main point is, if Microsoft wants Rare to make a game they're not going to say no, just as they didn't say no to Nintendo fucking up Dinosaur Planet into Starfox Adventures (even though the DP team really, really didn't want to.) If Conker preforms poorly but Microsoft wants another to develop it into a series, MS will blame it on its late launch, and say "we'll do better this time." and push out a sequel on the 360.

 

[Alex]

Legend of Dragoon was great. Oh, not the game, it was complete piss. But steam rolling it's apologists, and holding it against them to this day is fun. Take that Brandon F/Folken, you Grandia hating bastard.

it was a long time ago so maybe im not remembering clearly, but im pretty sure most of that is because the game went bargain bin fairly quickly, and was available for $10 at TRU and Targets for what seemed like AGES.

Yeah, you're right. I actually picked mine up at that price point. I'm not really aware of how it did on the charts prior to the price reduction though. Would be nice to get a final Conker number after all these years if anyone is aware.

Also, I'm gonna do the unthinkable here: Starfox Adventures was a pretty solid game. The license sucked, the character design was filth and there were some hangups to be sure. But it was a solid early Gamecube Zelda knockoff, in my opinion. Decent dungeons, played smooth, all that jazz.

However, Grabbed by the Ghoulies? Worst game I've played this gen, bar none. I have no idea what the hell they were trying to acomplish there.

 

[VALIS]

However, Grabbed by the Ghoulies? Worst game I've played this gen, bar none.

Whaaaaaaaat? Why? Why do so many people hate this game? Not only didn't I hate it, I thought it was good. Like 7.5-8.0 good. I also liked Luigi's Mansion so maybe I'm the twisted one, but I just don't get the hatred for Ghoulies. There are no crippling flaws. Graphics are pretty good. Difficulty evolves naturally. Fun (if not very original) "beat the ghosts in a haunted house" concept. What's so bad about it? Tell me. I really want to know.

 

[J2 Cool]

I can't believe this. The charm was the mixture of shits, assholes, etc, etc. They bleeps were rare and funny when they did them too. This game was so damn hilarious, I really am not happy about any changes they make. Give us an option, jeez. I think the only appropriate response to this is, what the fuck?

 

[Alex]

I don't care for Luigis Mansion, but it has redeeming qualities and actual mechanics.

Grabbed by the Ghoulies just felt like an inferior version of The Bouncer (yeah, you read that right) aimed at children to me. Poor lil' tykes, never saw it coming.

Actually...that's pretty much on the money. Ghoulies VS Bouncer that is...only Bouncer had something resembling a working combat engine.

Anyway, I nabbed it at the CC $5 deal, and got $7 of trade in credit for it and honest to god, in a non-sarcastic fashion I still felt ripped off. Sorry to be so negative guy, I hate to rip shit to this degree right to the faces of folks who enjoy it but I really, really hate that game.

 

[Kobun Heat]

Right when it came out, I took a couple of free games over to TRU and "returned" them for credit (unopened anything without a reciept). Then I cashed in on their buy two get one free deal. Since one of my free games was the GTA Double Pack, I got four games -- that, Disgaea, and GBTG -- for just under ten bucks after tax.

So I spent $2.50 on Ghoulies.

Ripped. Off.

 

[DDayton]

I think some folks misunderstood me.

I didn't say that RARE would be the deciding factor in whether any new Conker games arrived... I just said that if Conker collapses miserably on its own weight, I find it hard to believe that MS will want to release a sequel to it.

 

[Alex]

I guess it had a few decent quirks. Some of the enemy design was pretty nice, I liked the ninja imp things for example, and uh...you could break things.

Presentation was pretty good too, but that just ties in with the horrendous game progession.

 

[Jasoco]

Well, I don't know what to make of this thread now. First it was changed completely, then just a little, then not much was changed and one thing was added. I'm cunfused. Just how much has changed?

But what does it matter? I haven't beaten the N64 version. I bought it brand new at EB Games for $5 a year ago, but I got to a part underwater where I couldn't get passed by going forward, and couldn't figure out how to get back to the surface by going back, so I gave up. I had beaten the Mighty Poo, and loved it up until then. But I just gave up. (Been meaning to go back and maybe start over.) So I'd been looking forward to the remake since it was announced.

I watched that video, and the graphics are amazing, and I will be buying, but I really hate when they change stuff. I'm paranoid now that I'll never know what I'm missing.

Also, I don't give a flying bleep about the Live part. I have Live, but I never use it! In fact, I'm actually planning on canceling it at the end of my term (December) and saving some money. I don't need it. So the whole single player part was what I was really looking forrward to. I could give a crap about another deathmatch game. I don't even like Halo 2 online. Why would I want to play Conker?

That said, I hope it's not too bad, and I will be getting it at launch. And from what I saw in the video, I will enjoy it. A lot of it I remembered vividly from playing on the N64, it was nice to see what they did to it.

Censored bleeping doesn't bother me, making it easier doesn't bother me, but removing parts does.

 

[WordAssassin]

If I remember the ring part they're talking about correctly, it was a fucking bitch. Not like, "Oh, you're just not skilled enough" kind of a bitch, like, "you seriously can't get past this part without copious ammounts of luck."

So before I go any further crying about this, lemme see if I have it right: is this part with loops and eels the bit in Pisstastic where Conker puts on a little helmet with a light on it and you have to swim through an underwater maze? Because I fucking hated that part of the game and if it's gone, good riddance.

Another total bitch was swiming through the fans after BMP sings in Sloprano, but I could deal with that. The light-hat part, I can seriously do without.


Now, if I'm completely off base with this, then what the hell part are they talking about? I wish I knew where my N64 was...I have the cart on top of my TV, but damned if I can find the '64.

 

[Gek54]

Yeah the only part of Conker that really pissed me off was swimming through the blades and I agree I could easily do with out that section I probably used 50+ lives trying to get the timing right. The underwater maze was pretty damn easy, the lights walked you through it.

The missing part with the eels at the begining of military level where you must swim under some half circles so that the electic eels will follow you and charge half circles. It was pretty easy.

 

[ecliptic]

Whoever wrote that IGN article is a fucking idiot. He beat it in 7 hours, total newb. I beat Conker in around 5 hours my second time through.

Conker didn't sell on the N64 but Rare decided to make a sequel to it for Xbox. Conker Live. Then they decided to throw in the N64 game. Then they saw that the N64 game looked like shit compared to the multiplayer part so they redid the graphics. Conker Live and Reloaded.

Also, Rare doesn't really have any say anymore as to what games it makes. Microsoft wants Conker and Perfect Dark to become their mature franchise titles along with Halo and Project Gotham Racing. Weather Rare wants to do it or not, if MS wants a Conker's Other Bad Day then there will be a Conker's Other Bad Day. Just as Bungie didn't want to make a Halo 3, and wanted the series to end with Halo 2. But guess what? It didn't end at Halo 2 did it, and we're going to get a Halo 3, aren't we?

Same goes for Banjo. The Banjo Team was absolutely sick of Banjo by the time Banjo-Tooie was done. They said it'd be years, is ever, before they made a third Banjo game. However I can assure you that there's a Banjo-Threely in development at Rare right now for the Xbox 360. And if not right now, very, very soon.

Actually you are dead wrong. Microsoft doesn't force their game developers to do anything.

 

[Azure Dream]

Actually you are dead wrong. Microsoft doesn't force their game developers to do anything.

...

*bursts out laughing*