Could Microsoft be the most evilest company to ever exist?

taylor34 said:
AI is not taking these jobs. That's the cover. What's really happening is they're laying off people and then bringing in H1-b's on the cheap. Microsoft has hired 5000 H1-b's this year under the cover of 'AI'.
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Think of it from a businessowner/ceo perspective- u can either pay 3x the salary to some woke leftists cuck/coloured hair lesbian who will go to HR anytime u order them to do something they dont like doing, or u hire much cheaper, queiter and more qualified indian/pakistani guy who is agreeable and does the job properly w/o any complaining and doesnt even know where HR has its office :messenger_sunglasses:
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hemo memo said:
Are you seriously suggesting Microsoft with its massive philanthropic efforts including over $4 billion in tech assets donated to nonprofits is comparable to insurance or pharmaceutical companies that are literally killing people? Come the fuck on man.
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This move has potential to be far worse, we just haven't seen the outcome yet.
 
bitbydeath said:
Tin foil hat time folks.

Could Microsoft be the most evilest company to ever exist?

It appears that Microsoft are using Xbox as a testbed to see what they can get away with in terms of AI.



www.bbc.com

Microsoft to cut up to 9,000 jobs as it invests in AI - BBC News

The US tech giant will axe 4% of its global workforce and plough money into artificial intelligence.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

The problem is, if it succeeds, other companies will want to follow suit once they see a successful use case. This will no doubt cause a domino effect, presenting companies with an option to do the exact same, gutting employees all over the world to drive their own stocks higher, while Microsoft reaps the benefits of societies downfall by supplying everyone with AI as the replacement.

This fear of AI taking over has been with us for a long time, but unless I'm mistaken it looks like Microsoft might be hastily trying to bring this into existence, starting with Xbox.

It may only start in gaming but if it truly takes off you can bet it won't stop there.
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You probably too young to remember the "Enron Scandal"
 
They aren't inherently evil, its just how this system works. It's all about the money. That's what keeps things going.

Are there a disproportionate amount of sociopaths in Microsoft compared to other companies? That may be the case as I've heard some insane shit during these layoffs.

Just another reason to get these companies out of your life. DeGoogle your phones and switch to Linux.
 
No, there are far worse.
But Microsoft has always been an evil company. Even when they were just a startup run by Gates, it would use the scummiest tactics to get ahead.
 
hemo memo said:
Are you seriously suggesting Microsoft with its massive philanthropic efforts including over $4 billion in tech assets donated to nonprofits is comparable to insurance or pharmaceutical companies that are literally killing people? Come the fuck on man.
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To be fair, loads of what MS does has been used in the death of folks all over the world. All major companies do charter work, specifically so someone like you, and i'm not saying this in an accusatory way, but doing any form of philanthropic work is basically PR image laundering for these folks. Its the same reason you have heads of corporations throw out memos about how inclusive they are, and throw up products with rainbows on them every June, or pink ribbons on in Breast-Cancer Awareness month, but then show up and give the Trump admin whatever they want, donate to his inauguration as they are cutting funding at the NIH for breast-cancer research.

Charity & philanthropic work for corporations is only done as a form of image rehabilitation so folks don't immediately grab the pitch forks as they are fucking over average people.
 
Nydius said:
Until AI is capable of programming itself and building its own network infrastructure and maintaining its own electrical systems, this is a straight up lie. The shift to AI is just like every other industry shift. Jobs are lost, new jobs in a new industry open up.
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It was a bit hyperbolic but this isn't just about one industry either. This has the potential to impact all/most industries.

You do that much damage at once and things will get out of control.

On the bright side if we were to ever get a world reset, this could lead to that.
 
bitbydeath said:
This is about cutting employees and replacing their jobs with AI, not just general firings/redundancies.
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Salesforce stated that they want all employees using AI, started cutting folks after "optimization" through said AI and slowed down hiring.

Facebook stated that they think AI can replace most of early to mid tier software engineers within a year or two.

Amazon is working to reduce staff through attrition and fire more using AI.

Goldman Sachs and other big financial companies are going hard on AI and significantly reduced out of college hiring.

We can go on and on. AI is going to completely fuck the job market in the conceivable future. Current estimation is 400 to 800 million jobs worldwide over next decade. That includes blue color , just look at what companies like Amazon, Walmart and a ton of companies in China are doing with robotics.

That said, MS fucking sucks. The fixation on AI and contractors while reducing staff in crucial categories including Enterprise support is ridiculous. And the whole model doesn't really work either game dev is you want to go beyond mid slop they have been generally producing.
 
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You guys don't understand how business works. These corporations are not our friends. They have one goal and this is to make money. Some of you guys think that Sony loves you but they are no different than Microsoft.
 
StereoVsn said:
Salesforce stated that they want all employees using AI, started cutting folks after "optimization" through said AI and slowed down hiring.

Facebook stated that they think AI can replace most of early to mid tier software engineers within a year or two.

Amazon is working to reduce staff through attrition and fire more using AI.

Goldman Sachs and other big financial companies are going hard on AI and significantly reduced out of college hiring.

We can go on and on. AI is going to completely fuck the job market in the conceivable future. Current estimation is 400 to 800 million jobs worldwide over next decade. That includes blue color , just look at what companies like Amazon, Walmart and a ton of companies in China are doing with robotics.

That said, MS fucking sucks. The fixation on AI and contractors while reducing staff in crucial categories including Enterprise support is ridiculous. And the whole model doesn't really work either game dev is you want to go beyond mid slop they have been generally producing.
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I agree others are doing it but they are rather small scale compared to Microsofts intentions which could easily become the catalyst for all others given how they are viewed, the use cases they are seeking, and the AI they will be pushing to sell.
 
FMX said:
You guys don't understand how business works. These corporations are not our friends. They have one goal and this is to make money. Some of you guys think that Sony loves you but they are no different than Microsoft.
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I don't think anyone is saying that.
I even provided an example earlier how they launched PS+ for their own financial gain.
 
bitbydeath said:
Tin foil hat time folks.

Could Microsoft be the most evilest company to ever exist?

It appears that Microsoft are using Xbox as a testbed to see what they can get away with in terms of AI.



www.bbc.com

Microsoft to cut up to 9,000 jobs as it invests in AI - BBC News

The US tech giant will axe 4% of its global workforce and plough money into artificial intelligence.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

The problem is, if it succeeds, other companies will want to follow suit once they see a successful use case. This will no doubt cause a domino effect, presenting companies with an option to do the exact same, gutting employees all over the world to drive their own stocks higher, while Microsoft reaps the benefits of societies downfall by supplying everyone with AI as the replacement.

This fear of AI taking over has been with us for a long time, but unless I'm mistaken it looks like Microsoft might be hastily trying to bring this into existence, starting with Xbox.

It may only start in gaming but if it truly takes off you can bet it won't stop there.
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Are you just talking about games, OP?

Because the defense industry is lightyears ahead of MS when it comes to AI and layoffs.
 
The "AI will take all our jobs" handwringers remind me of the auto workers who opposed robotics in auto manufacturing because they were convinced that robots would take all their jobs and there'd be no more need for human workers. Not only did that not happen, it helped boost entire industries around robotics, giving people in other fields and other industries more opportunities.

Again I point to electricity. When Tesla and Edison were warring over the future of electricity, do you think either of them could imagine that their invention would end up leading to a future where people use it to create fake audio-visual worlds for the entertainment of others?

"AI will take all our jerbs!"

No it won't. Industries will shift, the workforce will shift. New industries will be created. We're in the first labor pains of this new change. Just like every other major technological shift.
 
You can say a lot of things about MS, but certaintly not that they are innovative, god forbid a leader in anything. So when these idiots proclaim everything will be ai soon, you can bet your ass it won't be long until they go on a massive hiring spree after learning that they were wrong. ai sure makes some work obsolete, and maybe even some jobs/roles, but not most of them. Lots of people will learn this lession the hard way in the next decade or so. You can bookmark me on that.
 
bitbydeath said:
Tin foil hat time folks.

Could Microsoft be the most evilest company to ever exist?

It appears that Microsoft are using Xbox as a testbed to see what they can get away with in terms of AI.



www.bbc.com

Microsoft to cut up to 9,000 jobs as it invests in AI - BBC News

The US tech giant will axe 4% of its global workforce and plough money into artificial intelligence.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

The problem is, if it succeeds, other companies will want to follow suit once they see a successful use case. This will no doubt cause a domino effect, presenting companies with an option to do the exact same, gutting employees all over the world to drive their own stocks higher, while Microsoft reaps the benefits of societies downfall by supplying everyone with AI as the replacement.

This fear of AI taking over has been with us for a long time, but unless I'm mistaken it looks like Microsoft might be hastily trying to bring this into existence, starting with Xbox.

It may only start in gaming but if it truly takes off you can bet it won't stop there.
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HerjansEagleFeeder said:
You can say a lot of things about MS, but certaintly not that they are innovative, god forbid a leader in anything. So when these idiots proclaim everything will be ai soon, you can bet your ass it won't be long until they go on a massive hiring spree after learning that they were wrong. ai sure makes some work obsolete, and maybe even some jobs/roles, but not most of them. Lots of people will learn this lession the hard way in the next decade or so. You can bookmark me on that.
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This is the best outcome, hopefully where things end up.
 
Nydius said:
The "most evilest company to ever exist"?
Ever?

Call me crazy but I'm fairly certain the European companies of the 17th and 18th centuries who existed solely to traffic in African slaves were much more evil. And then there's the story of a certain company called IG Farben that created a certain gas for Germany in the 1930s and 1940s...
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Were those more evil than the ones capturing and selling the slaves though?
 
bitbydeath said:
The difference is that jobs were created in that instance. Where as AI only takes jobs without giving back.
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So movie sub plan companies like Netflix created more jobs than all the people who lost their jobs at Blockbuster and indie movie shops?

Nobody seemed to care. People love NF.
 
bitbydeath said:
No, Microsoft are intending to apply it everywhere.
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Microsoft will apply what everywhere?

AI is already everywhere. Microsoft is not the frontrunner in AI innovation. I would probably give that hat to Google. And of course it matters what kind of AI you're talking about. Companies are already producing their own proprietary AI for their businesses. I work for one of the top 3 defense corporations and we've been hiring AI-centric developers for years.
 
Nydius said:
Until AI is capable of programming itself and building its own network infrastructure and maintaining its own electrical systems, this is a straight up lie. The shift to AI is just like every other industry shift. Jobs are lost, new jobs in a new industry open up.
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It's going to decimate the lower income white collar workers. There won't be an industry for them.
 
bitbydeath said:
It appears that Microsoft are using Xbox as a testbed to see what they can get away with in terms of AI.
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You bring this up twice but never explain why you think that's what they're doing. Microsoft is very transparent about their AI ambitions, and so far in Xbox, they've used AI to create some sort of playable game.

To the question though: Ever? Not even close. America isn't the center or the world. There are worse companies doing worse shit in places where people can't hop on an internet forum and complain.
 
Nydius said:
Until AI is capable of programming itself and building its own network infrastructure and maintaining its own electrical systems, this is a straight up lie. The shift to AI is just like every other industry shift. Jobs are lost, new jobs in a new industry open up.
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If technological advances over the decades or centuries is so bad for employment, then unemployment rates should be 85% by now and every person lucky enough to still have a job should be getting bled dry with bad wages as Terminator AI, assembly lines and office ERP software automates everything. Number of employees needed to run a company..... 10,000 ----> 1. One person left. The CEO.

Well look at that! Unemployment rates are at close to historical lows, wages still go up over time and society hums along.
 
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Very bad for sure, but most? Not even close. Have you ever heard of the World Bank or International Monetary Fund? Far more evil.
 
Nah, that's Google considering the massive data harvesting that's been going on for decades now. "Don't be evil" is more tragic than ironic at this point.
 
Evil? Sure, and you can make the argument that Microsoft has become more evil. But the most evil? I can easily name a few corporations that are worse than Microsoft for different reasons like Google or *insert any big-name health insurance company*.
 
PeteBull said:
Think of it from a businessowner/ceo perspective- u can either pay 3x the salary to some woke leftists cuck/coloured hair lesbian who will go to HR anytime u order them to do something they dont like doing, or u hire much cheaper, queiter and more qualified indian/pakistani guy who is agreeable and does the job properly w/o any complaining and doesnt even know where HR has its office :messenger_sunglasses:
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Yup.

Everyone in life does some cost/benefit/value analysis. It doesnt even have to be job related. Just anyone at the grocery deciding on buying apples can pick the cheaper ones flown from across the ocean than buy local.

But the argument you'll get is..... Well, MS (and any other big company) have tons of money. So why not give people a break and keep them on the payroll forever even if they arent needed, or did a bad job, or someone else can do a better job for cheaper.

The funny thing is most big companies grow their employee pool over time. It's just that when there's firings, the company does them in organized waves so everyone knows about it (ie. a company laying off 5,000 people). But no company or people track that over the past 5 or 10 years, they actually hired 20,000 spread out. So people think it looks bad though the company actually has grown 15,000 jobs.

Unless its a company like Amazon or Walmart publicly saying they are hiring 50,000 to help with the Xmas rush, or a car company saying they are hiring 2,000 people for a new plant, most companies dont publish hiring sprees.
 
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bitbydeath said:
That's a good point.
Microsoft would be paid for use of their AI, would they look much beyond that?
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I'm not just talking about Microsoft. If the advancement of AI makes billions unemployed it would crash the global economy.

People need jobs for money. Money is then spent on goods and services. Take away the jobs and the whole system crashes.
 
It's certainly one of the biggest pushing for the obliteration of its workforce through faceless AI.

You know how you keep these sharks at bay? With the R-word.
Regulation.
 
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The concern is we keep paying for regurgitated windows and office and word is still awful on top.
 
Nydius said:
Until AI is capable of programming itself and building its own network infrastructure and maintaining its own electrical systems, this is a straight up lie. The shift to AI is just like every other industry shift. Jobs are lost, new jobs in a new industry open up.
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It is, and the rest will be make in the next few years by robots.
 
Come on OP... It's just a poorly mismanaged company that has no vision and are scrambling with anything they can to stay relevant even if that means cutting people's jobs.

Shit like that happens, it's how the world works when you are working under corporations.Microsoft or other corporations out there DON'T care about you,they care about profits,always work under the assumption that you're expendable when working for a corporation,especially one with such poor management.

Most evil though? Unless you were born yesterday there are countless companies throughout history that have led to mass slavery,death and other unimaginable things worse than losing a fucking job.
 
Probably... they completely bought out and squashed competition when ever possible on their rise. I doubt it has stopped since. But that's every huge company.
 
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