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Malakhov
Banned
Yeah, especially when Pfizer CEO's just said we need the 4th shot faster than in a year now, even though we're still on the 3rd one, because of omicron.
We're so damn good
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I don't know how I could blame anyone who looks at the money being made by pharma companies and suspects nefariousness. How could I?
The amount of corruption behind money in human history is immeasurable. I'm not saying there is, nor am I saying the vaccines don't work, they obviously do. But that doesn't mean there can't also be motivation to sell the public on unneeded extra shots to keep that money rolling in.
As of now, we've seen nothing from Omicron that warrants some emergency booster. We don't even know how deadly it is. If anything it seems much milder than other variants.
The amount of corruption behind money in human history is immeasurable. I'm not saying there is, nor am I saying the vaccines don't work, they obviously do. But that doesn't mean there can't also be motivation to sell the public on unneeded extra shots to keep that money rolling in.
As of now, we've seen nothing from Omicron that warrants some emergency booster. We don't even know how deadly it is. If anything it seems much milder than other variants.
Malakhov
Banned
There is, I've worked with pharmaceuticals from 2003 to 2021. Anyone saying otherwise are clueless
funkygunther
Banned
Everything is up in the air at the moment. One German study says 3 shots gives 25% protection compared to 0% with 2 shots. One South African study says that double vaccine with natural immunity is the way to go. These aren't contradictory. The problem is that another study advocating for boosters was by Pfizer themselves, so of course there's a potential conflict of interest there.
As this is a developing situation though it won't be wise to selectively choose sources to confirm an already set viewpoint.
Narasumas
Member
Pardon my ignorance, but keep seeing this. Where’s this from?
T8SC
Gold Member
Timestamped it. Keane & Carragher arguing on Sky Sports with Jimmy in the middle.
Fits quite well with this topic.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
They're trying to push an additional 4th booster just to combat Omicron. Which at the moment seems way premature and totally unnecessary if you've already gotten 3 shots.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That statement is irrelevant to your original criticism and my rebuttal.
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funkygunther
Banned
If you're referring to the recent CNBC interview there's something funny about the reporting. In written articles there's direct quotes about "fourth dose" but if you watch the video he is specifically talking about an Omicron tailored version of the vaccine as the fourth one.
Anyway, he's a CEO so take it with a pinch of salt. It's important to view his words through the lense of his position.
Malakhov
Banned
Man I couldn't make that shit up. That sounds so reee it's scary.
Can I play too?
You're irrelevant and so are your supposed rebuttals.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
We don't even know yet. Yeah companies are gonna try and make money, but the Pfizer CEO doesn't get to decide if we need one, the data does. If Omicron hits like a wet fart, then it might be a 'think about getting it' rather than a 'you have to get this'. Time will tell.
Chaplain
Member
So sorry for what you are going through. Have you asked your nurse (s) to have a chaplain come and visit you? They offer spiritual care and emotional support to the religious and non-religious. I would recommend, if you are willing, to have one come and talk with you so that you can process many of the feelings you are experiencing (i.e., disconnectedness, isolation, fear, etc.). They are experts in listening and are prohibited from proselytizing.
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betrayal
Banned
These stupid pure mathematical nonsense forecasts are becoming annoying. According to "Telegraph Global Health Security" (which are part of the highly "reputable" and "never dependent on clicks & money" Telegraph), Gauteng should currently have 50,000+ new cases per day. Let's look at the numbers for the Gauteng province, which is by far the hardest hit region with Omikron.
1 Dec - 6.168
2 Dec - 8.280
3 Dec - 11.553
4 Dec - 11.607
5 Dec - 7.929
6 Dec - 4.488
7 Dec - 8.445
8 Dec - 11.703
9 Dec - 11.791
QSD
Member
This sounds like a good tip, these people are normally available in many hospitals and might have some kind of special dispensation to visit covid patients.
QSD
Member
Here I'd say there is a fine line between acknowledging the corrupting influence of money, and acquiescing in it. Obviously profit motives play a role, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be holding people (especially pharmaceutical companies) to a higher standard. Putting profits ahead of human lives/suffering is and will always be unacceptable.
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
I'll be playing this 80s banger from Monday.
I had my booster yesterday (Pfizer) Woke up at 1am shaking like having a fit. Not fun when you try and go for a piss and end up friendly fireing the walls. Whole body aches today.
I had my booster yesterday (Pfizer) Woke up at 1am shaking like having a fit. Not fun when you try and go for a piss and end up friendly fireing the walls. Whole body aches today.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
I've gotten 3 shots, I will take a booster because I am not a damn snowflake spending precious hours of my life debating stuff and 'educating myself'. Imagine in 1944 soldiers in their 20's being afraid of that happens if Germans shoot at them.
T8SC
Gold Member
Cyberpunkd
Member
People being snowflakes refusing to get vaccinated.
T8SC
Gold Member
How does that make someone a snow flake?
Are you insinuating that they're afraid of needles and that, therefore, makes them a snow flake?
Cyberpunkd
Member
Billions of doses administered.
Proven efficiency in multitude studies.
Clear impact on reducing ICU admissions.
Still 'educating themselves'.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I will take another booster if the data backs it up being necessary and the antibodies from the booster start declining. Not because some Big Pharma CEO told me so.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You may not be familiar with actual reeeing if you're getting triggered by this.
I'm stating facts. You wondered why things developed so quickly. I responded with an explanation that demonstrates how things are different now than 50 years ago and why that enables quicker R&D.
Your response to that was to move the goalposts and change the subject to a completely different criticism instead of acknowledge the point I made.
Conversations don't work if you change the subject when you're not supposed to.
The Fartist
Gold Member
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
People going into the ICU for a second time from COVID-19, still won't get vaccinated. "My ImMuNNE syTEm!". It's starting to feel like a cult at this point.
www.cnn.com
Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying ‘at a rate we’ve never seen die before’ – and it’s taking a toll on health care workers | CNN
Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad – and certainly not this late in the pandemic.
www.cnn.com
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Is that from your link?People going into the ICU for a second time from COVID-19, still won't get vaccinated. "My ImMuNNE syTEm!". It's starting to feel like a cult at this point.
Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying ‘at a rate we’ve never seen die before’ – and it’s taking a toll on health care workers | CNN
Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad – and certainly not this late in the pandemic.
I can not find anything in there about going in to the icu after reinfection.
Liljagare
Member
Patients in ICU/IVA in Sweden, unvaccinated outnumber vaccinated by 9 fold over the last four weeks (mean average per 100000 treated).
(source in Swedish, use google translate, unsure how to post it translated)
www.expressen.se
Cases rising by 16%/week.
(green line, unvaccinated, dotted line, vaccinated)
(source in Swedish, use google translate, unsure how to post it translated)
Larmet: Nio gånger fler ovaccinerade på iva
Den ökade smittspridningen slår hårt mot Sveriges ovaccinerade. Antalet intensivvårdade per 100 000 personer var nio gånger högre bland ovaccinerade än vaccinerade de senaste fyra veckorna. Patienterna på iva som inte tagit doserna har också en betydligt lägre medelålder.
www.expressen.se
Cases rising by 16%/week.
(green line, unvaccinated, dotted line, vaccinated)
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chromhound
Member
Covid horror as ANOTHER new variant discovered in France
ANOTHER variant of coronavirus has been detected by experts working in Marseille, France, as the world continues to battle the deadly virus.
www.express.co.uk
before Xmas the UK will have even more new measures!
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
People going into the ICU for a second time from COVID-19, still won't get vaccinated. "My ImMuNNE syTEm!". It's starting to feel like a cult at this point.
Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying ‘at a rate we’ve never seen die before’ – and it’s taking a toll on health care workers | CNN
Nurse Katie Sefton never thought Covid-19 could get this bad – and certainly not this late in the pandemic.
I hate to break it to you, but if they were reinfected after recovering, then vaccination is extraordinarily unlikely to have helped them in the slightest.
You do understand that vaccines stimulate immune response right? They don't do shit in an immunocompromised person.
If you want to avoid serious complications from any strain of Covid then having a strong and healthy immune system is a requirement.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
On day 7 of catching covid with no vaccine. Im almost 40. Was a bit rough at the start but now I just have the shits and nausea. Being locked up at home for 10 days is the worse part of it. Eyes are tender and the odd mild chest pain.
Ulysses 31
Member
The for profit multibillion dollar international company telling us to keep using their product?
QSD
Member
Random PSA:
Last thursday all (50-ish) residents at my work (assisted living home for psychiatric patients) got a pfizer booster after getting the moderna vaxx 2x in april. I just asked one of my colleagues whether there were any major adverse reactions or heavy side effects but so far everyone seems fine. These are generally people whose overall health isn't great (a lot of chain smokers, overweight people, use a lot of other medication, etc) which is why it's so surprising to me that so few of them report any side effects at all. The overall picture is pretty similar to the first round of vaccinations, where there were also very few side effects reported.
Last thursday all (50-ish) residents at my work (assisted living home for psychiatric patients) got a pfizer booster after getting the moderna vaxx 2x in april. I just asked one of my colleagues whether there were any major adverse reactions or heavy side effects but so far everyone seems fine. These are generally people whose overall health isn't great (a lot of chain smokers, overweight people, use a lot of other medication, etc) which is why it's so surprising to me that so few of them report any side effects at all. The overall picture is pretty similar to the first round of vaccinations, where there were also very few side effects reported.
