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[Ritsu]

If anyone out there is worried about side effects, just get the Sinopharm vaccine, it's basically just a saline solution lol

 

[T8SC]

Toretto Boris has less than 3 weeks to boost everyone.

 

[jufonuk]

I can feel the U.K. going into lockdown. They have blamed one death on the new variant. A tidal wave of covid is on its way. According to Boris. But because they have been pulling shit for a while. I’m not now how truthful they are being.

I think they going to stoke fear. To force a lockdown. Despite party gate.
I’m expecting an announcement Wednesday before schools break up.

I’ve had my third jab. So let’s see what is what. Either way let’s stay safe.

 

[Chittagong]

UK made news today with the ‘first Omicron death in the world’. Boris used it as proof to make a point of Omicron being dangerous, to push boosters and to justify new curbs on freedoms.

The small print?

10 people in the U.K. were in hospital with the Omicron variant

The UK Health Security Agency revealed all of the patients were aged between 18-85.

The UKHSA said one patient – who was diagnosed in hospital, not before they were admitted – had died.

So basically the only known ‘Omicron death’ in the world is someone who was hospitalised for a reason we don’t know - not Covid - and was found to have Omicron before dying.

I am getting my third shot today, but damn if all this doesn’t feel dishonest.

 

[dcll]

The power and control given up by people with covid isn’t going away

 

[chromhound]

Lockdown once a year...

 

[sinnergy]

You build up in the The pubs and let it explode around Christmas

 

[BouncyFrag]

 

[ntropy]

IMPORTANT: Remote Instruction, New Dining and Event Protocols | Middlebury

We are writing with an essential announcement and changes to our campus status, including COVID-19 prevalence on campus, modes of instruction, dining, events, athletics, and visitor protocols. We are taking several steps, effective as of 5 a.m. Friday, December 10, out of an abundance of caution...

www.middlebury.edu

With more than 99 percent of students fully vaccinated and many already receiving booster doses, the risk of adverse health outcomes from the Delta variant is low.

 

[DragoonKain]

Lex Fridman is going to have the CEO of Pfizer on his podcast soon.

 

[DragoonKain]

Rogan has Dr. Peter McCullough on today

 

[The Fartist]

Rogan has Dr. Peter McCullough on today

I think you mean Dr. Joe Rogan.

 

[sinnergy]

Germany now has turbo boosters , boosters after 4 weeks now it’s waiting time for the megatron variant .. I feel like I live in a alternate reality , some sort of joke world .

 

[caffeware]

...

 

[ManaByte]

 

[delirium trigger]

UK made news today with the ‘first Omicron death in the world’. Boris used it as proof to make a point of Omicron being dangerous, to push boosters and to justify new curbs on freedoms.

The small print?

10 people in the U.K. were in hospital with the Omicron variant

The UK Health Security Agency revealed all of the patients were aged between 18-85.

The UKHSA said one patient – who was diagnosed in hospital, not before they were admitted – had died.

So basically the only known ‘Omicron death’ in the world is someone who was hospitalised for a reason we don’t know - not Covid - and was found to have Omicron before dying.

I am getting my third shot today, but damn if all this doesn’t feel dishonest.

It's the great covid scam of 2020 to infinity. They've been juicing those numbers for almost two years.

 

[prinz_valium]

As they break their own distance rule. Are they doing to break out the German Shepherds next?

Police and other groups are obviously exempt form those covid rules. Imagine they would need to follow those rules. Can't run a authoritarian state that way

 

[12Goblins]

Rogan has Dr. Peter McCullough on today

this guy is a new low for joe lol

 

[DragoonKain]

this guy is a new low for joe lol

I don't know much about him other than he is a real doctor.

 

[Chaplain]

 

[sinnergy]

It’s quite mild said most posters here disconnected from reality but not the internet .

always the same pattern people, not that hard , so many people that need hospitalization that the system overloads with deaths as outcome .

after 2 years , people should know.

 

[Chittagong]

Latest update from EU

Epidemiological update: Omicron variant of concern (VOC) – data as of 12 December 2021 (12:00)

As of 12 December and since 11 December 2021, 34 additional SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant of concern (VOC) cases have been confirmed in the European Union and European Economic Area (EU/EEA), contributing to an overall total of 766 confirmed cases so far.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

All cases for which there is available information on severity were either asymptomatic or mild. There have been no Omicron-related deaths reported thus far.

Meanwhile, got my shot 3 yesteday. Symptoms

Moderna 1 - mild headache
Moderna 2 - sore arm, knocked out tired for a day
Pfizer 3 -

 

[FunkMiller]

What are all you conspiracy theorists going to say if omicron is proven to be mild, and the measures put in place are taken away again? Or will you all slope off again, just like when restrictions were lifted when delta got under control?

 

[FunkMiller]

Omicron looking to be 29% milder than original Covid:



The issue is level of transmissibility. If it’s much more infectious, it wipes out the positive effect of the disease being milder. Although, it seems we’re also looking at the booster vaccine being effective, which tips things back into positive territory again.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Meanwhile, got my shot 3 yesteday. Symptoms

Moderna 1 - mild headache
Moderna 2 - sore arm, knocked out tired for a day
Pfizer 3 -

Mine:
Moderna 1 - nothing
Moderna 2 - nothing, got hit a few times during boxing the next day, nothing
Moderna 3 + flu in the second arm - nothing

I guess the definition of YMMV.

France - government is making a bet and probably afraid of massively pissing people off a week and a half before Christmas, so no change in rules for now. My guess is they will do something early January.

 

[Chaplain]

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Kilau]

3 or more people? Hmm, she better not touch herself in that case.

Made myself sick.

 

[SpiceRacz]

What are all you conspiracy theorists going to say if omicron is proven to be mild, and the measures put in place are taken away again? Or will you all slope off again, just like when restrictions were lifted when delta got under control?

 

[Slaylock]

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I don't know much about him other than he is a real doctor.

There are a LOT of doctors that kill their patients through incompetence, just as they are a lot of bad lawyers, etc. Being a doctor doesn't make you immune from stupidity, it simply means you finished university.

 

[Rentahamster]

DragoonKain is this the kind of data you were looking for?

The effect of mandatory COVID-19 certificates on vaccine uptake: synthetic-control modelling of six countries

Mandatory COVID-19 certification could increase vaccine uptake, but interpretation and transferability of findings need to be considered in the context of pre-existing levels of vaccine uptake and hesitancy, eligibility changes, and the pandemic trajectory.

www.thelancet.com

Background​

Mandatory COVID-19 certification (showing vaccination, recent negative test, or proof of recovery) has been introduced in some countries. We aimed to investigate the effect of certification on vaccine uptake.

Methods​

We designed a synthetic control model comparing six countries (Denmark, Israel, Italy, France, Germany, and Switzerland) that introduced certification (April–August, 2021), with 19 control countries. Using daily data on cases, deaths, vaccinations, and country-specific information, we produced a counterfactual trend estimating what might have happened in similar circumstances if certificates were not introduced. The main outcome was daily COVID-19 vaccine doses.

Findings​

COVID-19 certification led to increased vaccinations 20 days before implementation in anticipation, with a lasting effect up to 40 days after. Countries with pre-intervention uptake that was below average had a more pronounced increase in daily vaccinations compared with those where uptake was already average or higher. In France, doses exceeded 55 672 (95% CI 49 668–73 707) vaccines per million population or, in absolute terms, 3 761 440 (3 355 761–4 979 952) doses before mandatory certification and 72 151 (37 940–114 140) per million population after certification (4 874 857 [2 563 396–7 711 769] doses). We found no effect in countries that already had average uptake (Germany), or an unclear effect when certificates were introduced during a period of limited vaccine supply (Denmark). Increase in uptake was highest for people younger than 30 years after the introduction of certification. Access restrictions linked to certain settings (nightclubs and events with >1000 people) were associated with increased uptake in those younger than 20 years. When certification was extended to broader settings, uptake remained high in the youngest group, but increases were also observed in those aged 30–49 years.

Interpretation​

Mandatory COVID-19 certification could increase vaccine uptake, but interpretation and transferability of findings need to be considered in the context of pre-existing levels of vaccine uptake and hesitancy, eligibility changes, and the pandemic trajectory.

Research in context

Evidence before this study
The introduction of COVID-19 certification or vaccine passports, particularly for domestic use, has been linked to reduced self-reported vaccine intentions in some contexts, yet national media and health offices report increases in vaccinations. We examined all English literature until Oct 15, 2021, on Web of Science, Scopus, PubMed, and preprint servers (medRxiv and bioRxiv) with the terms “vaccination certificate”, “COVID-19 certificate”, “health passport”, “health certificate”, “health pass”, “digital health pass”, “health code app”, and “vaccination”, “immunization”, and “immunisation”. We were unable to identify empirical studies that examined the effect of the implementation of mandatory COVID-19 certification on vaccine uptake.

Added value of this study
To our knowledge, this is the first rigorous empirical analysis of the relationship between the introduction of COVID-19 certification and vaccine uptake. Self-reported surveys suggest certification reduces vaccine intentions in certain contexts, and a previous systematic review found a lack of conclusive evidence on whether certification would affect vaccine uptake.

Implications of all the available evidence
Our study provides evidence that mandatory COVID-19 certification restricting access to certain settings can influence vaccine uptake for those groups affected by the intervention. Given higher vaccine complacency and hesitancy in certain groups, such as younger people (<30 years), this intervention could be an additional policy lever to increase vaccine uptake and population-level immunity. Future studies examining more countries and variation by eligibility criteria and factors beyond age are warranted.

 

[NT80]

UK made news today with the ‘first Omicron death in the world’. Boris used it as proof to make a point of Omicron being dangerous, to push boosters and to justify new curbs on freedoms.

The small print?

10 people in the U.K. were in hospital with the Omicron variant

The UK Health Security Agency revealed all of the patients were aged between 18-85.

The UKHSA said one patient – who was diagnosed in hospital, not before they were admitted – had died.

So basically the only known ‘Omicron death’ in the world is someone who was hospitalised for a reason we don’t know - not Covid - and was found to have Omicron before dying.

I am getting my third shot today, but damn if all this doesn’t feel dishonest.

So it wasn't Covid like symptoms that caused that person to go to hospital in the first place?

 

[DragoonKain]

There are a LOT of doctors that kill their patients through incompetence, just as they are a lot of bad lawyers, etc. Being a doctor doesn't make you immune from stupidity, it simply means you finished university.

What makes him stupid or incompetent? How much do you even know about this doctor? I certainly don't know nearly enough about him to make any kind of a judgement on him and I'm willing to bet most people don't either.

DragoonKain is this the kind of data you were looking for?

The effect of mandatory COVID-19 certificates on vaccine uptake: synthetic-control modelling of six countries

Mandatory COVID-19 certification could increase vaccine uptake, but interpretation and transferability of findings need to be considered in the context of pre-existing levels of vaccine uptake and hesitancy, eligibility changes, and the pandemic trajectory.

www.thelancet.com

Was looking for US data. Right now mandates are becoming more common and cases in the US are spiking.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I demand data!



Wait no not that data!

 

[Cyberpunkd]

What makes him stupid or incompetent? How much do you even know about this doctor? I certainly don't know nearly enough about him to make any kind of a judgement on him and I'm willing to bet most people don't either.

I was referring to you mentioning him ‘being a doctor’ - so what?

 

[Chittagong]

So it wasn't Covid like symptoms that caused that person to go to hospital in the first place?

No. Omicron was an incidental finding after admission.

Some real world data from the first 78,000 Omicron cases. Tl;dr - it causes less hospitalisations and vaccines work.

 

[sinnergy]

It’s so fucking hilarious to me (actually saddening) that people still think you can pretend it’s normal or going back to normal .. which is not the case .. 2 years ago our world changed its time to let go and move on.. let the technology help you live your life and obey the rules so we can have as much freedom this virus gives us ..the coming decade .

 

[DragoonKain]

I demand data!



Wait no not that data!

I asked for data that shows mandates make a significant difference in COVID spread. I didn't ask for data that shows mandates increase vaccination rates. And each country is going to respond to mandates differently. You're being disingenuous and you know it. Just stop.

I was referring to you mentioning him ‘being a doctor’ - so what?

I said all I know was he is a real doctor. You somehow drew the conclusion that it was some kind of defense for him.

 

[arkhamguy123]

It’s so fucking hilarious to me (actually saddening) that people still think you can pretend it’s normal or going back to normal .. which is not the case .. 2 years ago our world changed its time to let go and move on.. let the technology help you live your life and obey the rules so we can have as much freedom this virus gives us ..the coming decade .

Get help.

 

[NT80]

No. Omicron was an incidental finding after admission.

But if it's not known why they were in hospital in the first place how would you know it wasn't Covid symptoms? Were they tested prior to admittance and found to be clear?

I hope this is a much milder version and if it becomes the dominant variant it could bring an end to this. There's also the supposedly highly effective antiviral treatments on the way too. I wonder how useful they might be for other viruses.

 

[funkygunther]

I asked for data that shows mandates make a significant difference in COVID spread. I didn't ask for data that shows mandates increase vaccination rates. And each country is going to respond to mandates differently. You're being disingenuous and you know it. Just stop.

did you?

Has there been any data yet on the effectiveness on vaccine mandates?

is that what you mean by difference in spread? Because you might be barking up the wrong tree when the one thing vaccine mandates are there for is to increase vaccination rates

also, why do you think in this specific instance the USA should be any different from France, Denmark, Israel and Germany and please evidence the disparity

 

[Schattenjäger]

It’s so fucking hilarious to me (actually saddening) that people still think you can pretend it’s normal or going back to normal .. which is not the case .. 2 years ago our world changed its time to let go and move on.. let the technology help you live your life and obey the rules so we can have as much freedom this virus gives us ..the coming decade .

Decade? Where you get that from?

 

[DragoonKain]

did you?



is that what you mean by difference in spread? Because you might be barking up the wrong tree when the one thing vaccine mandates are there for is to increase vaccination rates

also, why do you think in this specific instance the USA should be any different from France, Denmark, Israel and Germany and please evidence the disparity

Yes.

But I think right now the data we do have does say a lot.

Since November 21, COVID cases are up 22% in the US, as mandates are increasing. The mandates aren't working. The increases in COVID cases are evidence of this.

If more data comes out to suggest otherwise, I'll reassess, but as of right now, the data indicates that the mandates have not had the intended effect.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I asked for data that shows mandates make a significant difference in COVID spread. I didn't ask for data that shows mandates increase vaccination rates. And each country is going to respond to mandates differently. You're being disingenuous and you know it. Just stop.

Vaccinations help slow the spread of Covid. Mandates help increase the number of vaccinated people. Therefore yes the mandates help.


1+1=2. Shocking!

 

[Termite]

Had my Pfizer booster yesterday as I'm going to be travelling through a bunch of airports over Christmas (London Heathrow, Miami, Copenhagen, Dublin, Santo Domingo). Not fucking with all of that without some extra protection, especially as I'll be seeing a lot of relatives in the 65+ age range.

Shot 1 - Sore arm
Shot 2 - 24 hours of violent flu and shaking
Booster - Mild fever and headache when waking up this morning. Took an extra 2 hours in bed.

 

[DragoonKain]

Vaccinations help slow the spread of Covid. Mandates help increase the number of vaccinated people. Therefore yes the mandates help.


1+1=2. Shocking!

And cases in the US are increasing(by a lot) as mandates increase. So it has not worked that way. Mandates have not helped at all.

They aren't doing anything.

No one can provide any data that has shown cases have dropped with mandates. I gave data that shows the opposite.

 

[Stitch]

anti-vaxxer dressed up as santa

 

[arkhamguy123]

And cases in the US are increasing(by a lot) as mandates increase. So it has not worked that way. Mandates have not helped at all.

They aren't doing anything.

No one can provide any data that has shown cases have dropped with mandates. I gave data that shows the opposite.

They actually decreased slightly and have plateaued/stalled this past week and a half or so.

 

[Nobody_Important]

And cases in the US are increasing(by a lot) as mandates increase. So it has not worked that way. Mandates have not helped at all.

They aren't doing anything.

No one can provide any data that has shown cases have dropped with mandates. I gave data that shows the opposite.

Okay well luckily for the country you aren't in charge.