OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Don't patronize me. I'm not "shook to the core". Lockdown and going door to door to theatrically force people to take vaccines is not the same.
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thefool
Member
While the premise is, most likely, right (vaccines clearly protect against severe disease), I'll be the harbinger of bad news, people dying of respiratory diseases who have been vaccinated are not tabulated as covid deaths vs the others
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Cyberpunkd
Member
But it’s not government paying, it’s you. This is what many people in Europe don’t get - all that money comes from your taxes. Keeping it in line with Covid there are a lot of people that say ‘well, if the new wave comes that’s ok - government will pay money to keep people employed’. There is no logical link for people that this has to come from somewhere, aka taxes.
For now the government is trying to spin it as saying ‘no increase in taxes, we are just going to grow faster’, but I don’t know if it’s feasible.
TheDreadBaron
Member
I'm just trying to bring back the friendly nationalistic rivalry as a fun internet jousting competition, so far I'm loving the vibes as it's been all ragging on France.
Cyberpunkd
Member
I have to admit - when you got kids McDonalds is like the gift from the gods.
TheContact
Member
This delta variant is gonna suck I hope it doesn’t lead to mask mandates again.
DeepBreath87
Banned
There is no reason France would have to close again. 50% of the population has already been vaccinated with one dose. In a few more weeks, that will mean 50% fully vaccinated. That alone will be enough to at least dampen the spread and prevent any overwhelming of the healthcare system.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Nationalistic food competition - 100% agree, better than killing one another in a world war. Plus last time I checked we have the most Michelin stars in the world.
Cyberpunkd
Member
This is what I am hoping for, but I don’t know how bad the Delta variant can get.
I agree with all the personal health stuff. But maybe the real question is more along the lines of 'at what point should people who refuse to engage with issues of public health concern be asked to politely leave the society'? Or something.
Should those people be expected to go elsewhere and maybe meet to conglomerate in their own new nation where they can not only kill themselves with the familiar old pleasures, vices, and fuck-ups which we know are going to be part of human existence, but also agree with all their fellows to not give a shit how their choices affect each other?
TheDreadBaron
Member
Are you suggesting the punishment for not getting your glorified flu shot should be excommunication from society? Huh....
God it sure don't take much, huh?
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ManaByte
Gold Member
TheDreadBaron
Member
As much as your memes totally get me good I'd love to hear from you one of these times. I don't copy and paste from facebook, I write my thoughts out. Do you?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Nationalistic food competition - 100% agree, better than killing one another in a world war. Plus last time I checked we have the most Michelin stars in the world.
If I wanted to drown on butter I can do so from the comfort of my own home.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Nationalistic food competition - 100% agree, better than killing one another in a world war. Plus last time I checked we have the most Michelin stars in the world.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Everyone can calm down now.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
I appreciate a good laugh, but the opposite is true:
Military history of France - Wikipedia
TheDreadBaron
Member
This was mentioned on Bret Weinstein's podcast: people have been told the vaccines are safe. If they develop strange symptoms they have already been trained to believe it couldn't have been the vaccine. If anything, unfortunately, these incidences are probably underreported and I think more and more problems are going to show up with time. They're using that 100 number as the basis for making a percentage figure that's incredibly small and getting ahead of the controversy by repeating "vaccines are still worth the risks" That number is sure to grow as awareness of adverse vaccine events increases.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Increase? Obviously. But that doesn't mean people need to be freaking out or try to desperately use this as "proof" the vaccines are all unsafe. Especially considering how obscenely rare it is and the fact that the two much more popular vaccines are not even affected by this side effect.
The vaccines are fine and are no more dangerous than any other FDA approved medication that has ultra rare and possibly dangerous side effects. Eventually people will have to accept that fact and get over their baseless nonsense.
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TheDreadBaron
Member
"calm down" "freaking out" ... where?
Do you just read everyone's posts in all caps?
Here's a fact. Covid is an incredibly survivable disease. Old people have died all over the planet every day for however long the flu virus has been around. We just called it dying from old age / pneumonia.
More facts: everyone on the planet doesn't need to be vaccinated. Especially people who have already had covid, makes no sense at all. Yet we have people in here pushing for forced vaccinations, it's insanity.
My body my choice biotch.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Any source on this? I’m genuinely curious what could explain the claims being made about the US and the discrepancy between them and data from other parts of the world.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Have you seen social media? Idiots who have been desperately trying to paint the vaccines as dangerous are using this story as "proof" they were right despite it doing no such thing. In fact it's ironically shown the vaccines are actually surprisingly stable given the fact that this is the only possible major side effect that has been attributed to one of the vaccines and even then it's only affecting something like 0.00008% of cases out of over 13 million doses. Meanwhile this ONLY affects one of the less widely used vaccines and the two much more popular vaccines are not affected by this at all. Yet despite these facts you have every conspiracy theorist and their mother on Twitter right now going "AHA!" as if this changes anything. It's just tiresome to watch science get attacked by idiots who clearly have no idea WTF they are talking about.
I wish people would just use even a little bit of common sense before pushing these conspiracy theories about the vaccines.
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TheDreadBaron
Member
Well I'm confused, are you talking to every conspiracy nutter on twitter or the people in this thread?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Sorry to be direct, but: we knew you were an anti science, anti vaxxer type from your rhetoric and insincerity, but thanks for dropping pretenses and no longer beating around the bush. I can safely ignore you now.
What's funny is that since such history has been recorded, France has won more battles than any other nation.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Oh wow I missed that. Yeah I'm done wasting time then.
TheDreadBaron
Member
LOL we reach the end of the road, farewell dear friends, next time send your A team this was a tragic effort
I forgot the golden rule, you can only compare covid to the flu if it makes it seem scarier.
I forgot the golden rule, you can only compare covid to the flu if it makes it seem scarier.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
Yeah. That’s a fairly disgusting idea. You sound like every genocidal maniac ever. “When should people who won’t do what we want be removed from society?” Should we concentrate them in camps? The idea that we would criminalize inaction with respect to personal health is insane.
The vaccines protect those who take them. Those who chose not take them will bear the result of any consequences. Very very few people who choose to vaccinate will bear any consequences from the people who choose not to. So I fail to see why we should be forcing people to take care of themselves when the opportunity to protect ourselves is readily available to us all.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Dude you compared a vaccine for a virus that has killed millions of people and upended society for the last year to a flu shot.LOL we reach the end of the road, farewell dear friends, next time send your A team this was a tragic effort
I forgot the golden rule, you can only compare covid to the flu if it makes it seem scarier.
You don't look like a big brain right now. You just look like a bit of an ignorant nutter.
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TheDreadBaron
Member
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12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Covid: Seoul bans speedy songs in gyms to stop sweating
Users in South Korea's capital are told to limit sweat-splashing and quick-breathing.
www.bbc.com
wut
DeepBreath87
Banned
Over a much larger time scale, that is true. However, it is hardly a fair comparison.I guarantee you the flu has killed more
TheDreadBaron
Member
refer to edit
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
So has alcohol and cigarettes. Just because something else also kills large numbers of people doesn't mean people shouldn't be responsible and protect themselves as best they can when they can.I guarantee you the flu has killed more
That logic is just as stupid now as it was when chuckleheads were spamming it last Summer during the lockdowns.
TheDreadBaron
Member
Seems like if the two things you're comparing are respiratory viruses killing large numbers of people might be a fair basis of comparison, no?
edit: Nice try with the smoking thing though, it made no sense but that confused me enough to hesitate, well played
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
No. It's not. The deadliest flu season the US has had in the last decade according to the CDC is around 60k.
Covid killed over 500k people in the US in roughly that same period of time. Does that sound like a fair comparison to you?
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TheDreadBaron
Member
I edited my post but you probably missed it. The spanish flu? Ever heard of it?
TheDreadBaron
Member
Have y'all had covid? For me and the vast majority of people, from what I understand, the experience is like a bad flu. That's my experience, if you want to ignore me for that then your loss sweetheart.
DeepBreath87
Banned
This is also a somewhat unfair comparison. Covid was a disease no one was immune to, which caused it to spread far more rapidly. The Spanish flu is a good comparison for covid, but we have to account for population difference.
So covid has killed something like 623,000 people in the US with a population of +330,000,000.
The 1918 flu killed 675,000 people with a US population of 103,000,000.
So if we scaled up the Spanish flu to current population levels, you’re looking at something like 2,000,000 dead. Now we would also have to take into consideration how medical advances today would keep more people from dying. But I’d say covid and the Spanish flu are very comparable in terms of their impacts.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Except you know that when he was talking about the flu shot earlier (which is what kicked off this tangent) he wasn't talking about the Spanish flu.
"Flu" comparisons have been a ridiculous line of argument favored by anti-science anti-vaxxers since all of this started last year.
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TheDreadBaron
Member
You should be embracing the comparison, it was a horrible pandemic that wiped out millions.
DeepBreath87
Banned
No they haven’t. It’s fine to compare things. Covid is worse than any flu that anyone alive can remember. But it’s not unprecedented in human history. I think that’s the point I’d make. So I think people who want to upend society over it are misguided.
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Raven117
Member
This...This so freakin much.
So many....SO MANY...people miss this point that is boggles my mind. It seems many humans still can't comprehend the notion of freedom in any real sense. They'd rather just be told what to do and bitch about it rather than make choices for themselves (and or make choices for others).
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The fact you feel the need to reach back to the Spanish Flu in order to find a comparison you think is fair actually proves my point about the seriousness of all of this quite nicely I think.
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TheDreadBaron
Member
I got you to agree with me, just admit it
Raven117
Member
The flu comparison is simply incomplete. For MANY people, its a flu. For many people under the age of 60 and without pre-conditions, its a flu. For people over 60 and/or pre-conditions, it is absolutely not the flu.
There is more of a game of Russian roulette going on with Covid than the flu. For some, covid is even weaker than the flu...for others, well...it ends in death.
There is more of a game of Russian roulette going on with Covid than the flu. For some, covid is even weaker than the flu...for others, well...it ends in death.
xrnzaaas
Member
Covid: Seoul bans speedy songs in gyms to stop sweating
Users in South Korea's capital are told to limit sweat-splashing and quick-breathing.
wut
people trying not to sweat in the gym be like
BouncyFrag
Member
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Is England still going along with the complete removal of restrictions on the 19th? Sorry. I haven't kept up. I've only got so much bandwidth for international affairs.
CloudNull
Banned
Yeah I was going to post it but it I felt it was crossing the line and I didn't want to get the thread closed. What is happening with all the countries across the pond making it mandatory to do anything and then that really causes some concern.