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Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]

DeaDPo0L84

Member
Why are people peddling this revolutionary fear porn? It's worse than the people who claim those who believe in COVID are falling for "fear porn".

I did say "if true". Honestly with this current administration it's say one thing and do the complete opposite so I have no way to gauge what the path forward is when it comes to covid.

Most of this entire pandemic period has been driven by fear porn no matter the label you want to apply, it's the reason the messaging is so murky even a year after dealing with this shit.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
It would be trivially easy for the pharma companies to take steps to improve their standing and reputation. They could renounce the immunities that they negotiated, for one. Instead they double down on the greed, and wonder why people mistrust them. They create and deserve the antivaxxers that don't want their shit.

Pfizer and Moderna applied for full authorization in May. Biden’s White House pledged not to intervene to accelerate the process, it’s expected to happen later this year.
 

QSD

Member
Pfizer and Moderna applied for full authorization in May. Biden’s White House pledged not to intervene to accelerate the process, it’s expected to happen later this year.
Ok, but how does this adress my point? Getting full authorization doesn't mean the immunities will be dropped everywhere around the world. It also doesn't lower prices and profit margins.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Ok, but how does this adress my point? Getting full authorization doesn't mean the immunities will be dropped everywhere around the world. It also doesn't lower prices and profit margins.

If two vaccine manufacturers choosing to get out of the emergency authorization protections and into normalcy doesn’t mean anything to you, what will?
 

I agreed with Osterholm right up until he started talking about N95. All I can tell you is if you think the normal pieces of shit we all spent the last year wearing were annoying and restrictive and cumbersome, just wait until they’re requiring you to wear one of those things to go get your groceries.
 
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Loki

Count of Concision
I don’t know man. I have a rather small circle of acquaintances and 3 of them, all healthy without comorbidities, one aged 50, the other 42 and the third 27 got fucked up by delta big time. The 42 yo women at some point she started to move away from the living spectrum.

At least in my country hospitalizations are driven by not fully vaccinated adults infected with delta.

I don't doubt that Delta can harm/kill healthy people, even healthy people under 50 years of age. But at the end of the day, we have to go with the data. And from everything I've looked at for the UK Delta wave and the incipient US wave thus far, deaths have remained fairly low. Now, there's a chance that the lagging deaths which will hit us in 2-4 weeks will be large, but we have no reason to suspect it will be based on the UK precedent. I'm taking a wait and see approach.
 

Raven117

Member
Watching the clip, he seems to be saying that "mouth covers" like cloth masks are useless and that the discourse should be about proper N95 masks not simply wearing a bandana over your mouth.
N95 are obviously actually effective. Don’t think anyone was arguing otherwise on that.

this is a goal post move right here.
 
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N95 are obviously actually effective. Don’t think anyone was arguing otherwise on that.

this is a goal post move right here.
The problem is N95s suck to wear. And in order to get the full effect, you really need to be fit tested, which you won’t be unless your job requires you to wear one. But a real N95 is very stiff and pretty difficult to breath well through. It’s tolerable for a while, but if you have ever had to do CPR with an N95 on, you find out really fast that they just suck.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
I don't doubt that Delta can harm/kill healthy people, even healthy people under 50 years of age. But at the end of the day, we have to go with the data. And from everything I've looked at for the UK Delta wave and the incipient US wave thus far, deaths have remained fairly low. Now, there's a chance that the lagging deaths which will hit us in 2-4 weeks will be large, but we have no reason to suspect it will be based on the UK precedent. I'm taking a wait and see approach.

I don't know about UK. I am talking about my country and the people I know. I was (and still am) reluctant to get the shot, but at the end of the day I have two choices before me: roll the dice with covid, or roll the dice with the vaccine. I chose the latter.

N95 are obviously actually effective. Don’t think anyone was arguing otherwise on that.

this is a goal post move right here.

But the tweet you posted seem to imply that they're flip-flopping about mask effectiveness when the reality is the guy is just saying something that should've been said out loud a long, long time ago: unless you're wearing a N95, you might as well wear a fake moustache - it will have same effectiveness as that cloth mask.

The problem is N95s suck to wear. And in order to get the full effect, you really need to be fit tested, which you won’t be unless your job requires you to wear one. But a real N95 is very stiff and pretty difficult to breath well through. It’s tolerable for a while, but if you have ever had to do CPR with an N95 on, you find out really fast that they just suck.

Yep they suck. And you need a new one after like a couple days, they soften and start to have gaps. I've actually had to do 8 hour shifts with one, not a pleasurable experience.
 
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ntropy

Member
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Raven117

Member
The problem is N95s suck to wear. And in order to get the full effect, you really need to be fit tested, which you won’t be unless your job requires you to wear one. But a real N95 is very stiff and pretty difficult to breath well through. It’s tolerable for a while, but if you have ever had to do CPR with an N95 on, you find out really fast that they just suck.
Understood, but at the very least, we would not have had this bizarre "scientific" debate about whether the cloth masks were effective. So much argument was had about these things...Just look at the previous thread....and boom...here we are.

Whether we SHOULD wear an N95 (which at the beginning of the pandemic, we would have had zero way of getting those to everyone), is a different discussion.
 

Raven117

Member
But the tweet you posted seem to imply that they're flip-flopping about mask effectiveness when the reality is the guy is just saying something that should've been said out loud a long, long time ago: unless you're wearing a N95, you might as well wear a fake moustache - it will have same effectiveness as that cloth mask.
Just look at that previous thread (and the social discourse surrounding "masks.") It was not about N95...it was about the cloth masks. We had pages and pages and pages and people argued and argued and argued about the effectiveness of "cloth" masks. Socially, we argued about it. Everyone in the country had an opinion.

The N95 we knew was actually effective, but that was never the discussion.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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I agreed with Osterholm right up until he started talking about N95. All I can tell you is if you think the normal pieces of shit we all spent the last year wearing were annoying and restrictive and cumbersome, just wait until they’re requiring you to wear one of those things to go get your groceries.

Unlike surgical masks and cloth (or worse) garbage, properly fit N95 masks actually do have a good chance of blocking a good deal of the particles. You're not supposed to wear them for extended periods of time, though.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Just look at that previous thread (and the social discourse surrounding "masks.") It was not about N95...it was about the cloth masks. We had pages and pages and pages and people argued and argued and argued about the effectiveness of "cloth" masks. Socially, we argued about it. Everyone in the country had an opinion.

The N95 we knew was actually effective, but that was never the discussion.

The previous thread? Who's moving the goalposts now? At least agree that the way that tweet is worded twists what is said in the video.

Do you agree with the mask mandate yes or no?
 

Raven117

Member
The previous thread? Who's moving the goalposts now? At least agree that the way that tweet is worded twists what is said in the video.

Do you agree with the mask mandate yes or no?
What? Are you kidding? Are you going to sit here and argue that the argument over masks and their effectiveness over the last year in the social discourse was about N95 masks and not cloth masks?

Ummm, there was absolutely nothing misleading about that tweet. Ordinary masks are not effective. Yup. Check. Focus on vaccinations. Yup. Check.

Do I agree with a mask mandate? No. (if we are talking we all have fitted N95 masks...that is different. If you are talking we all are going back to cloth masks...no....no mandate).
 

raduque

Member
It’s certainly gross negligence to not ban guns in a country with multiple shootings a year. 19000 dead in 2020.

I have to say this: I find it super ironic that so many Americans dont want to take a vaccine because they think it might be dangerous or too risky, but insist they should be allowed to own fucking assault rifles.

Sorry for the derail, but that shit makes my teeth itch.
You know what makes my teeth itch? People like you who think a modern semi automatic sporting rifle is an "assault weapon", which is something that doesn't even exist.
 
The previous thread? Who's moving the goalposts now? At least agree that the way that tweet is worded twists what is said in the video.

Do you agree with the mask mandate yes or no?
The guy who is advising the President said the masks people by and large have been wearing and continue to wear are ineffective. So mandating masks for the general public when what they are going to wear is essentially useless is not something anyone should support. Mandating N95 is not a good idea, for a variety of reasons.
 
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It’s certainly gross negligence to not ban guns in a country with multiple shootings a year. 19000 dead in 2020.

I have to say this: I find it super ironic that so many Americans dont want to take a vaccine because they think it might be dangerous or too risky, but insist they should be allowed to own fucking assault rifles.

Sorry for the derail, but that shit makes my teeth itch.
Not sure why you brought guns into this but yes, we should absolutely have the right to own firearms. Plus, it's not like banning firearms will solve gun violence because you will just create a black market on guns in America, AKA alcohol prohibition and the war on drugs in America. Also, the vast majority of deaths are caused by handguns not assault rifles.
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
Getting back to Covid FR:
Martinique, Guadeloupe and Réunion under lockdown, they have less than 20% vaccinated with a single dose. Sucks for tourists.

Vaccination / PCR certificate will go into effect next Monday for trains, restaurants, etc. assuming it is allowed by the Consotitional Court this Thursday.

Macron is answering questions from young people re vaccination on TikTok wearing a t-shirt, for all the pomp French presidency has you cannot say he doesn’t know how to stay cool to young people.
 
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FunkMiller

Member
Macron is answering questions from young people re vaccination on TikTok wearing a t-shirt, for all the pomp French presidency has you cannot say he doesn’t know how to stay cool to young people.

Has he explained why he went full on anti-vaxxer regarding the AstraZeneca vaccine, just because him and his mates are pissed at Britain for leaving their little club?
 
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QSD

Member
If two vaccine manufacturers choosing to get out of the emergency authorization protections and into normalcy doesn’t mean anything to you, what will?
I consider the shit big pharma have been up to to be bad enough that one slight step won't rehabilitate them
Kind of like some friend who turned into a junkie and has stolen from you on several occasions, now asking to be let into your house on the promise that he won't steal again
I'd say that maybe something out of the 12 step program would be in order: make a complete moral inventory of all the people you've hurt or wronged during your addiction (in pharma's case, to money) and apologize/make amends
then we can talk

of course they would *never* do this, but that is what I think is honestly required.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
What? Are you kidding? Are you going to sit here and argue that the argument over masks and their effectiveness over the last year in the social discourse was about N95 masks and not cloth masks?

Ummm, there was absolutely nothing misleading about that tweet. Ordinary masks are not effective. Yup. Check. Focus on vaccinations. Yup. Check.

Do I agree with a mask mandate? No. (if we are talking we all have fitted N95 masks...that is different. If you are talking we all are going back to cloth masks...no....no mandate).

Ok then, so the guy is saying the masks should be N95. I suppose you’re happy then.

The guy who is advising the President said the masks people by and large have been wearing and continue to wear are ineffective. So mandating masks for the general public when what they are going to wear is essentially useless is not something anyone should support. Mandating N95 is not a good idea, for a variety of reasons.

Wait, so the guy is saying: wear effective masks and the people choose ineffective masks and it’s his problem?
 
Ok then, so the guy is saying the masks should be N95. I suppose you’re happy then.



Wait, so the guy is saying: wear effective masks and the people choose ineffective masks and it’s his problem?
No. The problem is we spent the last year bitching at everyone to wear a piece of cloth over their face and the public health experts told us it was the “key” to controlling the pandemic. They didn’t say N95s. They said cloth masks. Unless you’ve had your head up your ass for the past 18 months, you know that already.

So it turns out they were full of shit for the past year, and all those assholes chasing people down in stores for not having a piece of a T shirt strapped to the front of their face were being assholes for no good reason. This moving of the goalpost you’re trying to pull here is fun though.

Further; N95s for the general public are not feasible. It is not reasonable to expect school children, for instance, to wear an N95 for 8 hours a day. If you’ve ever worn one, you would already know that. Fully grown adults can barely wear one for a few hours at a time. Ask someone who has had to do it and they’ll tell you.
 
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Raven117

Member
Ok then, so the guy is saying the masks should be N95. I suppose you’re happy then.
You are deliberately being obtuse...his admission that cloth masks that most folks wear are not very effective was a key part of that interview. To downplay that is simply intellectually dishonest.

As for N95, thats a totally different discussion.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
I consider the shit big pharma have been up to to be bad enough that one slight step won't rehabilitate them
Kind of like some friend who turned into a junkie and has stolen from you on several occasions, now asking to be let into your house on the promise that he won't steal again
I'd say that maybe something out of the 12 step program would be in order: make a complete moral inventory of all the people you've hurt or wronged during your addiction (in pharma's case, to money) and apologize/make amends
then we can talk

of course they would *never* do this, but that is what I think is honestly required.

😵‍💫
 

Loki

Count of Concision
NYC's Mayor De Blasio announced that proof of at least one vaccine dose will be required in NYC starting August 16th for all indoor dining, gyms, theaters, and indoor entertainment (I assume this includes museums etc.). Unbelievable what is going on. I sincerely hope business organizations protest and file lawsuits when they lose 35-45% of their revenue/customer base as a result of this.
 
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Raven117

Member
NYC's Mayor De Blasio announced that proof of at least one vaccine dose will be required in NYC starting August 16th for all indoor dining, gyms, theaters, and indoor entertainment (I assume this includes museums etc.). Unbelievable what is going on. I sincerely hope business organizations protest and file lawsuits when they lose 35-45% of their revenue/customer base as a result of this.
Also, do recall that these folks don't want to require an ID to vote.....So, think about that.

Regardless, SCOTUS will crush this quickly.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Also, do recall that these folks don't want to require an ID to vote.....So, think about that.

Regardless, SCOTUS will crush this quickly.

I really don't have much hope for that with how concetrated all levers of power/control are these days and the incestuous relationship between the government and the media. I wouldn't be surprised if they refuse to hear any such case, even if one is brought and eventually makes its way to them (which would take many months or more).

EDIT: And yes, the voter ID irony is rich.
 
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Hulk_Smash

Banned
NYC's Mayor De Blasio announced that proof of at least one vaccine dose will be required in NYC starting August 16th for all indoor dining, gyms, theaters, and indoor entertainment (I assume this includes museums etc.). Unbelievable what is going on. I sincerely hope business organizations protest and file lawsuits when they lose 35-45% of their revenue/customer base as a result of this.
Fucking insane. Millions in tourism revenue will be lost. Get ready for 500k more residential vacancies in city limits this year alone.
 

vpance

Member
Fucking insane. Millions in tourism revenue will be lost. Get ready for 500k more residential vacancies in city limits this year alone.

Somehow I don't think potentially losing money from mandating these passports is an issue anymore. There's like trillions more free money floating around now since this all started and it's just been consolidated even more among the 1%.
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
NYC's Mayor De Blasio announced that proof of at least one vaccine dose will be required in NYC starting August 16th for all indoor dining, gyms, theaters, and indoor entertainment (I assume this includes museums etc.). Unbelievable what is going on. I sincerely hope business organizations protest and file lawsuits when they lose 35-45% of their revenue/customer base as a result of this.
How about said customers get vaccinated to support their local business?
 

Burning Blade

Gold Member
What I find strange is how this whole thing is very clearly being used as another method of divide and conquer but no one seems to notice. Humans and our tribalism always getting exploited in different ways.

I don't want to get political because I like it here, but if you look at the last couple years (especially in the states) the clear direction everything is going in involves vilifying your neighbor.
There has always been a boogeyman in the American consciousness. Whether it be communism/red scare, Muslim extremism/taliban/ al-queda/Iran. Now we are the boogeyman to each other.
 
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