DeepBreath87
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It would really help people make more informed decisions if we could know the number of unvaccinated vs vaccinated people who have died in the last 3 months. Is anything like that available?
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Hulk_Smash
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Humor me and explain what you mean here. Are you saying that people are going to work while having COVID? Like when people would sometimes work through the flu (remember Michael Jordan’s infamous flu game?)
Hulk_Smash
Banned
You’re not going to get any honest numbers of the number of people who died of vaccine side effects.
FunkMiller
Member
So, you mean people who are not taking the covid vaccine because they do not trust what they are being told by scientists. What exactly makes them different from the 'stupid' anti vaxxers?
Toots
Gold Member
On the contrary you should do it so you can develop hand coordination and improve your piano playing.Also you should be able to rub yourself anywhere pre or after vaccine, it’s your body dammit.
S sinnergy who are « they » who told you not to rub it during vaccine procedure? And was your pants on your ankles at the time?
FunkMiller
Member
nvm
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FunkMiller
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From the CDC website:
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 342 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 26, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Here's the UK government's run down:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...irus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
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the person who administered me the shot. You think you know it better than her? Do you have a problem with it that it was a woman?
Also you should be able to rub yourself anywhere pre or after vaccine, it’s your body dammit.
S sinnergy who are « they » who told you not to rub it during vaccine procedure? And was your pants on your ankles at the time?
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DeepBreath87
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I’m much more interested in deaths specifically from covid following vaccination vs unvaccinated over the last few months. So breakthrough infections. I’m not even skeptical, I just want to see the numbers. I’m not really worried about deaths from vaccine complications.
Does it matter ? At this point everyone needs to be vaccinated.. numbers are just numbers … we all know how you can end if you are not vaccinated..
DeepBreath87
Banned
It matters because I’m interested in it.
But why do you want to know?
DeepBreath87
Banned
I’m sorry. 4 kids admitted to hospitals in 10 days for the state? That would be less than 150 kids a year being admitted to the hospital in a state of over 21 million people, probably around like 5 million of whom are under 18. Forgive me if I don’t see that as a crisis for children. Not to mention we just had Michael Osterholm saying on TV that cloth masks are ineffective.
Maybe I’m misreading this. Is this referring to the whole state or just this district.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Please stop downplaying the loss of young lives to satisfy some bizarre political anti science stance you have.
Young people make up a fifth of Covid hospital admissions, says NHS England - Olive92
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olive92.com
MisterFalcon
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Florida leads the nation in kids hospitalized for COVID
Another sign the delta variant has reignited the pandemic in Florida: Pediatric hospitals are admitting more infected children than ever.
It's 32 per day for Florida.
DeepBreath87
Banned
Please stop downplaying the loss of young lives to satisfy some bizarre political anti science stance you have.
Young people make up a fifth of Covid hospital admissions, says NHS England - Olive92
Covid-19 vaccines updates Sign up to myFT Daily Digest to be the first to know about Covid-19 vaccines news. The new NHS chief has urged young people to come forward to be vaccinated, as data reveal that 18- to 34-year-olds make up one-fifth of Covid-19 hospital admissions in England. At her...
Stop hiding behind your moral indignation to justify posting fear mongering bullshit. What a pathetic, coward response. Just answer my question. Is that 4 kids hospitalized in the entire state of Florida in the last 10 days?
See, that’s how you are supposed to respond. 0.76 hospitalizations for every 100,000 kids. A lot more than your quote, still less than 1 kid per 100,000. Not a health emergency for children. And that’s the highest rate in the entire country. So no, covid isn’t a public health problem for children.Florida leads the nation in kids hospitalized for COVID
Another sign the delta variant has reignited the pandemic in Florida: Pediatric hospitals are admitting more infected children than ever.www.tampabay.com
It's 32 per day for Florida.
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Toots
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I have a problem with her spreading misinformation from her dominant position. I have a problem with her telling you crazy stuff while taking care of you. I don’t know this woman but if she said this to you, either she was taking the piss at you (which is plains stupid because of course you’ll take her seriously she’s the health practitioner), either I know better than her, and anyone who has even a tenuous understanding of vaccine does too.
i really don’t have problem with you and I think you’re victim of that misinformation (and I’m sorry I mocked you like a cunt).
Look, you could tell me anything about quantum physics I’ll believe you because I don’t know about the subject. And I’ll believe you even more if I was in a (more or less) life and death situation. What that effin nurse (I can’t believe a doctor told you that) did by telling you that stuff is so trash it makes me sad.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Unsure what MJ Flu game(he was hungover apparently) has to do with this.
If you're attempting to make a facebook antivaxxer level comparison between Flu and Covid to illustrate your point please continue. It's interesting to observe, although I may not respond since it's a bit of a waste of time. Most people are aware that the only similarity between covid and the flu is they are respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. Online antivaxx activists with their outspoken hero fantasy and martyr complex antivaxxer medicine isn't particularly convincing.
To bring your question to the point you missed:
My point -in context about vaccination, N95 vs masks and the changing direction of mandates increasing risk- was that vaccinated symptomatic people will be less likely to isolate due to restrictions being lifted and mandates, job protections and benefits to doing so being phased out. This will put the unvaccinated at higher risk of catching Covid and their use of cloth masks less effective.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
What does deciding on the time and day to get the shot have to do with knowing how many people died?
DeepBreath87
Banned
It helps with risk calculation. I already got the shot. I want to know how well it’s working. This is basic shit. Why wouldn’t you want to know? I’m sure some people have died from breakthrough infections. Hopefully that number is low. But I’d like to know. I don’t see why this is something you’d have a problem with. It’s fine if you don’t know or don’t care. But I want to know.
Again, how many people in the last 3 months have died from covid after a breakthrough infection? It’s a pretty simple question. I’d like an answer to it if anyone has it. There’s no ulterior motive. I’d like to compare it to the number of unvaccinated people who have died in the same period of time.
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ManaByte
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betrayal
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What is this nonsense?
Who is talking about people who "don't trust scientists"?
Science also says "don't eat so much", "exercise more" or "don't take drugs". How about you get in touch with these people and start accusing them of some kind of bullshit.
It's people like you who label whole groups of people as stupid and further divide an already very divided society.
Why must every decision of people always be answered immediately with hatred and agitation. You don't have to share an opinion, but you should be able to respect other opinions without always assuming some garbage like "no trust in science".
I am strongly in favor of vaccination, but nevertheless the virus shows once again that not only the "stupid" anti-vaxxers are stupid, but also many of their antagonists.
MisterFalcon
Member
Is there a level where you would consider it to be a public health problem ? Florida is at 46 per day now so we may get there yet.
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The lack of available data and - possibly worse - the seemingly intentional obfuscation of data during this pandemic has been galling. Data is being presented in tendentious and/or disingenuous ways, and expressed in needlessly complex tables and graphs - shouldn’t clear and accessible data be a priority for a global pandemic so that the greatest number of people can benefit from it?
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DeepBreath87
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I mean there is a threshold of course. But less than 1 per 100,000 doesn’t even get close. Are you seriously trying to say that somewhere between 0.75 and 1 hospitalizations per 100,000 of any population group for a disease is a public health emergency for that population? Does that meet your standard? It certainly doesn’t meet mine.
Even 2 or 4 or 10 per 100,000 wouldn’t meet that criteria for me.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
This is great news. Should have been done from the start. Hopefully they actually follow through with it though.
Jaysen
Banned
You’re god damn right. People making this about race like it’s some GOTCHA to state that a lot of minorities don’t want the vaccine have completely lost the plot.
Jaysen
Banned
Please stop downplaying the loss of young lives to satisfy some bizarre political anti science stance you have.
Young people make up a fifth of Covid hospital admissions, says NHS England - Olive92
Covid-19 vaccines updates Sign up to myFT Daily Digest to be the first to know about Covid-19 vaccines news. The new NHS chief has urged young people to come forward to be vaccinated, as data reveal that 18- to 34-year-olds make up one-fifth of Covid-19 hospital admissions in England. At her...
They’ll downplay the numbers they don’t like, and then attempt to exaggerate the numbers of people who died from taking the vaccine. Its Just pathetic.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Thank God someone like you isn't in charge of any of this. We would be so fucked.
Jaysen
Banned
Texas GOP Official Mocked COVID Five Days Before He Died of Virus
H. Scott Apley’s Facebook page was filled with anti-mask, anti-vaccine content until he was suddenly hospitalized on Sunday.
www.thedailybeast.com
RIP to yet another stupid motherfucker.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
In a model with a couple dozen or so cities starting at population 200,000 to 2 million. 2 - 40 kids going into hospital during the start of a wave would raise some serious alarms in many imaginary sim nations. Definitely restrictions, isolation and tracing in most parts of my country. Prairie provinces maybe not.
Hospitilizations? Accurate? Insane.
Vaccine still isn't approved for 12 and under there either?
Used to be the elderly that were the most vulnerable. Now it's the kids.
DeepBreath87
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Thankfully, public health experts aren’t complete fools like you. Hence school will be open and kids will not be sentenced to educational and social stagnation because of your cowardice.
Most vulnerable? Kids? You’re joking right? Please tell me you’re joking. Vaccinated adults are being hospitalized at a much higher rate. If you want to be taken seriously, you can’t engage in this kind of nonsense.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Where did I say they should? I never mentioned school closings at all?
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RAÏSanÏa
Member
Masks, contact tracing and temporary isolation while symptomatic aren't social stagnation.
If you want to be taken seriously show some nuance.
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Please stop downplaying the loss of young lives to satisfy some bizarre political anti science stance you have.
Young people make up a fifth of Covid hospital admissions, says NHS England - Olive92
Covid-19 vaccines updates Sign up to myFT Daily Digest to be the first to know about Covid-19 vaccines news. The new NHS chief has urged young people to come forward to be vaccinated, as data reveal that 18- to 34-year-olds make up one-fifth of Covid-19 hospital admissions in England. At her...
You were talking about kids in the ICU, to which DeepBreath replied, to which you responded with a link about 18-34 year olds?!
Whatever lets you build the fear narrative, I guess. Keep them scary tweets coming.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The narrative being pushed by a certain side of this mess so far has been that it only affects older people severely and your reaction to a story like that showing that nearly 1/5 of those severely affected are between the ages of 18 and 34 is to say "AHA BUT ITS NOT KIDS LIKE YOU SAID!"
Eventually there's going to come a moment where you guys have to admit that it's just more serious than what you thought. It's okay to be wrong.
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Jaysen
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You didn’t. But I guess when certain people have no actual argument to rail against, they create one out of thin air.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
To be fair he might not have read who he was talking to and just responded.
I've done that before and gotten discussions crossed up.
I’m not sure how using singular cases of someone dying of COVID helps ones argument. Is it to elicit an emotional response?
We had another death in Australia from the AZ vaccine, just 34 years of age. Does this change anything re vaccine efficacy? Of course not. Will anyone weep for this woman beyond her family? I seriously doubt it.
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Might step away from this thread… as mentioned above, my shithole city of Melbourne has entered another lockdown. More income lost and little social contact again.
fuck Covid, fuck the politicians, fuck the ccp. fuck it all.
We had another death in Australia from the AZ vaccine, just 34 years of age. Does this change anything re vaccine efficacy? Of course not. Will anyone weep for this woman beyond her family? I seriously doubt it.
source
Might step away from this thread… as mentioned above, my shithole city of Melbourne has entered another lockdown. More income lost and little social contact again.
fuck Covid, fuck the politicians, fuck the ccp. fuck it all.
DeepBreath87
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You’re the guy who just said children were most at risk and you’re attempting to chide someone else about nuance? Really?
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What in the world are you talking about? Of course it can cause serious illness. It mostly kills old people, not that it doesn't affect anyone else.
Here's a snapshot of the new hospitalizations in Florida by age for August 2nd (latest the data goes):
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov
These are all by 100,000 population. Here's population data for Florida: http://edr.state.fl.us/Content/population-demographics/data/Pop_Census_Day.pdf
Yep... looks to me like people over 50 still represent the vast majority of new hospitalizations. The 0-17 group accounts for very little of the total, although we should all be disturbed by its increase.
Still, people are acting like this is the worse the country has ever seen.
If you poke around in the data, you can see that Delaware had a spike in the 0-17 age group all the way up to 6.17 per 100,000! That's 6x what Florida is currently seeing. D.C. has hit 2.5 per 100,000 in that age group multiple times over the past year. Montana hit 3 per 100,000 last October.
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DeepBreath87
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See this is what context and data look like everyone.What in the world are you talking about? Of course it can cause serious illness. It mostly kills old people, not that it doesn't affect anyone else.
Here's a snapshot of the new hospitalizations in Florida by age for August 2nd (latest the data goes):
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.covid.cdc.gov
These are all by 100,000 population. Here's population data for Florida: http://edr.state.fl.us/Content/population-demographics/data/Pop_Census_Day.pdf
Yep... looks to me like people over 50 still represent the vast majority of new hospitalizations. The 0-17 group accounts for very little of the total, although we should all be disturbed by its increase.
Still, people are acting like this is the worse the country has ever seen.
If you poke around in the data, you can see that Delaware had a spike in the 0-17 age group all the way up to 6.17 per 100,000! That's 6x what Florida is currently seeing. D.C. has hit 2.5 per 100,000 in that age group multiple times over the past year. Montana hit 3 per 100,000 last October.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Without vaccination and the concurrent reduction in mitigation efforts to contain spread they are becoming the most vulnerable at this point if the data of hospitalizations are 46 a day for a state of 21 million.
If my province(1/4 size) had 12 kids per day going ICU with government saying "this is fine." and no policy change in sight there would be a good chance of civil unrest.
Different jurisdictions, priorities...
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
So you admit the numbers regarding kids are disturbing and you acknowledge the rise in hospitalizations among young adults, but you still have the same stance towards vaccinations against it.What in the world are you talking about? Of course it can cause serious illness. It mostly kills old people, not that it doesn't affect anyone else.
Here's a snapshot of the new hospitalizations in Florida by age for August 2nd (latest the data goes):
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.covid.cdc.gov
These are all by 100,000 population. Here's population data for Florida: http://edr.state.fl.us/Content/population-demographics/data/Pop_Census_Day.pdf
Yep... looks to me like people over 50 still represent the vast majority of new hospitalizations. The 0-17 group accounts for very little of the total, although we should all be disturbed by its increase.
Still, people are acting like this is the worse the country has ever seen.
If you poke around in the data, you can see that Delaware had a spike in the 0-17 age group all the way up to 6.17 per 100,000! That's 6x what Florida is currently seeing. D.C. has hit 2.5 per 100,000 in that age group multiple times over the past year. Montana hit 3 per 100,000 last October.
Help me understand where you are coming from because I don't get it. You clearly see how bad it is, but at the same time you don't seem to care.
DeepBreath87
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I’m sorry, but if you honestly think children are at most risk from covid, we have nothing else to discuss. That is completely unreasonable when looking at any data regarding covid. Period. It’s not up for discussion. It’s simply counter to reality. So if you’re going to persist with that, we can just stop talking and you can go on with your delusions.
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