FunkMiller
Member
The same point we moved on from other pandemics - when it’s under control.
What is so hard to understand about this?
Some people around here act like there’s never been a widespread outbreak of a disease before.
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The same point we moved on from other pandemics - when it’s under control.
What is so hard to understand about this?
Some people around here act like there’s never been a widespread outbreak of a disease before.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'm not sure if you addressed my point.
We already have counter measures. We have an effective vaccine. We have alternative treatments that seem to be gaining traction. We have natural immunity in a large percentage of the population. We're seeing Covid death rates plummet throughout the planet.
At what point do we move on and live our lives normally?
38k automobile deaths occur annually in the United States per year. Compare that to our current 7 day rolling average and consider that Covid overwhelmingly takes the lives of people over the age of 70 and auto accidents take the lives of young people.
Is there a metric, where you personally believe we can get back to relative normalcy or do you need Fauci / CNN to tell you?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
"When it's under control."
You and I both know how vague this language is. Let's get specific.
Jaysen
Banned
We can start moving on when dipshits stop being dipshits and just get the vaccine. How is that so hard to comprehend?
FunkMiller
Member
When covid is not regarded as a pandemic by the world health organisation, and the medical governing agencies of the developed world.
Specific enough for you?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Well yes and no, for example if you listen to the media right now a lot of health workers are against that vaccine, but in the last few months I spent a lot of time in hospitals (some of you know why) and being someone easy to talk with I talk with a lot of people there, and none was against the vaccine, most were already vaccinated or going to be in the next few days.When I say a lot I talked to 6 different services and independant nurses in different hospitals.
Yet listening to the news it feels like they are all against it when it is in fact a small but very vocal and active community.
But those against it are strongly against it to a point it becomes ridiculous.
I don't blame them all of our lives were affected and people need a culprit, but when the culprit is a virus you can't yell at him, so you invent conspiracy theories and protest against your government.
But the thing is it happenned and most government were in over their heads, not knowing who to listen to and which decision would be worse than others etc.
thefool
Member
I can confirm this graph, which is pretty expectable tbh.
FunkMiller
Member
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So if Covid lethality plummets over the next 12 months, you'll still be stomping for 100 percent vaccination rates?
thefool
Member
Well, as long as you’ve confirmed it, I guess peer review no longer matters.
I guess you really have no idea what peer-review even is.
dusty_cookies
Member
Does the Johnson and Johnson vaccine no longer exist? Wondering about how it's effectiveness has held up.Another reason why I'm playing wait and see.
New data suggests Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines may be less effective against Delta
A senior Biden official called the preprint study "a wakeup call."www.axios.com
May the best vaxx win in the end.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I did. You asked what the difference is between our treatment and reaction to COVID vs our treatment and reaction to the flu. I gave you examples of why they're different both in theory and in real life.
At what point do we move on and live our lives normally? When the hospitals go back to normal operation.
Comparing car deaths to COVID deaths is not a useful comparison because of the different risk profiles, the different "essential" activities tied to them, and the different ways to mitigate death for either of them. One is also tied to a choice of opt in participation while another is much less so.
Jaysen
Banned
I mean, you did choose that username.
FunkMiller
Member
Well, if I didn't genius, I could look at the article you think you're being smart about, and read up on it:
"What is an unrefereed preprint?
Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally certified by “peer review.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before certification by peer review, allowing
other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.
We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous."
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Jaysen
Banned
Hospitals are overrun with the sick right now. So much so that surgeries are being canceled. You think we are doing ok?
thefool
Member
Well, if I didn't genius, I could look at the article you think you're being smart about, and read up on it:
"What is an unrefereed preprint?
Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally certified by “peer review.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.
Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before certification by peer review, allowing
other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.
We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous."
Because if you ever reviewed papers as a researcher (which you didn't) or published regularly papers on q1 journals (which, again, you clearly didn't), you would know that survey research is bottom-tier and isn't particularly hard to get published on random journals. Reviewing is only as good as where it is being published. But because you read somewhere about the power of peer-reviewing stamp without even understanding its value, why pre-print became essential to authors or the nonsensical shit that gets published through peer-reviewing, you end up having to resort to shitty gifs to display your stupidity.
FunkMiller
Member
Your argument for the validity of the article you feel so strongly confident about is that it's bottom tier and isn't particularly hard to get published on random journals?
Here's another shitty gif for you:
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
When the infection rate, hospitalization rate and death rate has been trending down for a month, maybe two months.
We were there, at least here in Virginia, everything was pretty much allowed full capacity without masks, but this Delta wave is poised to set us back - not to square one, I don't expect stay at home orders, but at least a couple of steps back.
thefool
Member
Your argument for the validity of the article you feel so strongly confident about is that it's bottom tier and isn't particularly hard to get published on random journals?
Here's another shitty gif for you:
You are the one who correlated validity with a stamp you don't understand. I didn't even talked about the article. I wrote that, in my experience, I can confirm the results of the survey presented in the graph. Everything else after it was merely you displaying idiocy and ignorance about the subject.
FunkMiller
Member
Yes, yes. I - the one advocating for peer review as a way to establish whether a piece of data is worth discussing or not - am the one displaying idiocy and ignorance about scientific research, whereas you - who are calling into question the validity of peer review - are most definitely the smart one, who understands how these things work.
Good for you champ!
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Interesting implication in the early education of children in different jurisdictions given the same tabula rasa.
In structured settings children can be kept fairly organized and develop quickly.
Maybe there are more parallels between french children of elementary school age(5-12) and 2 year olds.
When can they learn not to piss themselves?
Yes, facetious question. They can learn to keep a mask on properly with guidance.
ManaByte
Gold Member
California to require school employees to get COVID vaccine or be tested regularly
California is about to become the first state in the U.S. to require school employees to either show proof that they are vaccinated against the coronavirus or be subject to weekly testing. Gov. New…
ktla.com
WalterSobchak
Member
OK branch covidians . Please explain how this Dr. is wrong. I am curious.
www.bitchute.com
Also there is no test that determines variants, so all this noise about the so called Delta varient running wild seems odd , since ya know , they don't actually test for it.
How the VAXXED are causing the current increase of summer COVID infections
Dr. Dan Stock, MD explains how the measures recommended by the CDC and the NIH to combat Covid do NOT work and how the shots and the vaxxed are making things worse via antibody-mediated viral enhancement. Dr. Stock spoke at the Mt. Vernon, Indiana school board meeting. For more details and the...
www.bitchute.com
Also there is no test that determines variants, so all this noise about the so called Delta varient running wild seems odd , since ya know , they don't actually test for it.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I am sure you can find plenty of takedowns online, but I stopped watching after his antibody-dependant enhancement bit where he mischarcterizes it as a property of vaccines, when natural infection is as likely or probably more likely to cause this (more weakly binding antibodies). Fortunately for us he doesn't provide any evidence for it actually happening because there isn't any out there.OK branch covidians . Please explain how this Dr. is wrong. I am curious.
How the VAXXED are causing the current increase of summer COVID infections
Dr. Dan Stock, MD explains how the measures recommended by the CDC and the NIH to combat Covid do NOT work and how the shots and the vaxxed are making things worse via antibody-mediated viral enhancement. Dr. Stock spoke at the Mt. Vernon, Indiana school board meeting. For more details and the...
It is just a constant stream of randomness that it would take someone with a lot more time than me to take apart one stupid piece at time.
Cyberpunkd
Member
You are not accounting for the fact that the current state is after massive lockdown initiatives and prevention measures. Covid is way more contagious than flu, this is the problem.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
They periodically take tests from research hospitals and state labs and subject them to additional genetic sequence testing. They use this to model the statistics for various strains.
Your average COVID swab isn't a genetic test, but it's sent to a lab that takes a random sample of some of their tests and does genetic analysis of it, using that to create statistical models. If they see new outbreaks, huge increases in the rate of infection, or severe symptoms then those tests can be singled out for genetic testing as well.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yes there is.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
nothing too controversial about what he is saying. the part where he says he's treated 15 patients with VIT d, ivermectin, and zinc is a little bit eyebrow raising though. he could be right, but right now we don't have the data to warrant his level of confidence in those treatments IMO. that being said, there are still some patients being given those that still dieOK branch covidians . Please explain how this Dr. is wrong. I am curious.
How the VAXXED are causing the current increase of summer COVID infections
Dr. Dan Stock, MD explains how the measures recommended by the CDC and the NIH to combat Covid do NOT work and how the shots and the vaxxed are making things worse via antibody-mediated viral enhancement. Dr. Stock spoke at the Mt. Vernon, Indiana school board meeting. For more details and the...
Also there is no test that determines variants, so all this noise about the so called Delta varient running wild seems odd , since ya know , they don't actually test for it.
but like he says he's a functional doctor so he's more focused on the individual and even then be will treat individuals with the same problem in different ways. he's the polar opposite of the CDC which is focused on public health and generating treatment plans for the masses so it makes sense they would not see eye to eye
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WalterSobchak
Member
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Increased from what number in June to what number in July?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Don't ask for numbers, just look at percentages and be afraid and welcome a lockdown.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
It's bullshit. Their cases went from like 1 to 25 (2500%!!!!!!!111) and peaked at around 40 before going back down. Still was somewhat concerning for a population of only 34,000 with their vaccination rate, but they are already on their way out of their Delta wave it appears.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So there's no metric you can observe to formulate your own opinion?
It's just "When I'm told".
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
if there are no deaths and much fewer hospitalizations, the vaccines are doing their job.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yeah but they had an infinite increase in deaths. 0÷0 = infinity.
funkygunther
Banned
is there something wrong with this?
FunkMiller
Member
Are you high?
How am I supposed to formulate my own opinion on a friggin’ pandemic?
And who exactly am I supposed to listen to, if not the people responsible for public health?
Who would you suggest listening to in terms of the status of a pandemic? What metric are you suggesting?
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
"The CDC is like this whole governmental body with scientists and shit that just tell us what to do. You don't have to think about it dude."
FunkMiller
Member
"The CDC is like this whole governmental body with scientists and shit that just tell us what to do. You don't have to think about it dude."
Yes mate. In a PANdemic, we all listen to the American CDC.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
It's basically just going to be scientists looking at vaccination rates, infection rates, hospitalization rates, death rates, variant rates, new variants, the weather / seasons, and then making that determination. You have specialists in each area listed that submit data to politicians and public health admins who then make the call."The CDC is like this whole governmental body with scientists and shit that just tell us what to do. You don't have to think about it dude."
Or we can just wing it from home I guess?
I don't think there's a lot of evidence that anyone is out to prolong any kind of restrictions. Unemployment was not extended past September. Eviction moratoriums were not officially extended. Nationwide mask mandates were lifted already. I don't think any states have actual lockdowns anymore in the US.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
California doing better with delta variant than Florida, Texas and experts attribute it to higher vaccine rates, mask policies
Despite a significant surge in both coronavirus cases and hospitalizations this summer, California so far has managed to avoid the sky-high infection rates and increasingly overcrowded hospitals so…
ktla.com
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
there is no single metric that epidemiologists use to say "it's over." you have no idea how complicated and how many variables are at play here
however the good news is that you can always use your own metrics and "observations" to formulate your own opinions. problem is it will be a shit opinion, but you are still entitled to it
most of us are wise enough to defer to the learned people that understand what they are looking at. you don't have to though, and please let us know how it works out for you
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T8SC
Member
WalterSobchak
Member
Well it's a tiny country . Cases went from 1 or 2 on june 6 to 27ish in late July. They only have a 33,000 or so population . Point is 99% is vaxxed and they are spiking big time. Maybe just maybe these "vaccines" are shit.
FunkMiller
Member
most of us are wise enough to defer to the learned people that understand what they are looking at. you don't have to though, and please let us know how it works out for you
Especially next time he feels a lump.
Preeeeeety sure all the scepticism on this forum about what medical professionals have to say say would go right out the window at that moment…
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Get off Facebook before it's too late.
FunkMiller
Member
If they’re shit, you must think all the organisations across the world who say different are lying to us?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Anti-vax nurse injects 8,600 with saline instead of COVID vaccine: police
A German nurse is being investigated for allegedly injecting thousands of people with a placebo instead of the coronavirus vaccine.
www.foxnews.com