superdeluxe
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Normally I would agree, but Head to Head. At that point you putting up head to head vs Conf champ.
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Cxllege Fxxtball 2016 Week Thirteen: Whx gets the best lxss?
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Normally I would agree, but Head to Head. At that point you putting up head to head vs Conf champ.
FloydtheFathead
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I think it will be on the table..
Let's face it.. people are going to be pissed either way
superdeluxe
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On what table? Michigan would have 2 losses and out of the champ game. I think the more interesting discussion will be how the 2-4 seeds will be looking like between Ohio State, Washington and Clemson. (If the latter two take care of business of course).
bucknuticus
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Our AP friend has realized he is a maroon.
Two from one conference, with neither team having played in their championship game would be a farce. I don't disagree that it will happen if either Clemson or U Dub lose, but it would still be a farce.
FloydtheFathead
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I meant that if Colorado beats Washington.. Michigan might back themselves in to the playoff as MRE said because of them beat Colorado. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
I think that Washington and Clemson will win next week and be in. I think Wisconsin beats Penn State and Oklahoma wins Bedlam
1) Bama
2) Ohio State
3) Clemson
4) Washington
Is what I think the final ranks will look like..
Michigan easily has the best resume of any 2 lose team. The only thing they're missing is a conference championship.
If Clemson loses, Colorado wins and Penn St wins.
It gonna be really hard for the Committee to put any of these teams over Michigan since Michigan creamed both Penn St and Colorado and have a much better resume than all three.
Hell if the above scenario happens, it would be hard pressed not to put 3 Big 10 teams in the playoffs.Their resumes are just so much better than Colorado's and Clemson's.
If Clemson loses, Colorado wins and Penn St wins.
It gonna be really hard for the Committee to put any of these teams over Michigan since Michigan creamed both Penn St and Colorado and have a much better resume than all three.
Hell if the above scenario happens, it would be hard pressed not to put 3 Big 10 teams in the playoffs.Their resumes are just so much better than Colorado's and Clemson's.
Hippopuncher12
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I would put Clemson at 2 but obviously that is irrelevant but I would agree with this as long as it is Wiscy that wins the B10.
There's no such thing. It's feigned happiness when he wins national championships. He's dead inside, and wants everyone else to feel that way, and he's certainly accomplished that for everyone else in the SEC.
superdeluxe
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Oh that makes sense then, I thought we were talking 1 loss UW and 2 loss Michigan.
GoldenEye 007
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Liberty University decided to hire former Baylor AD Ian McCaw to the same position....
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...ars-athletic-director-hired-same-post-liberty
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...ars-athletic-director-hired-same-post-liberty
Jerry Falwell Jr said:
Yeah, that checks out.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
It's true. The SEC is a hollowed out shell this year. So much mediocrity propped up by being in the formerly best conference. Alabama is the best team, imo, but would they have survived OSU, Wisconsin, or Michigan's schedules and come out unscathed? Not sure. It will be interesting as hell to see these playoffs play out. I fully expect Alabama to cream Florida in the SECCG.
I've been saying that Clemson might get left out but the more I think about it, I'm leaning toward Washington getting left out and it being:
1. Alabama
2. tOSU
3. Clemson
4. Big 10 Champ
Not sure how you leave out the outright Champ of the best conference in CFB. Sure it's just this year, but it's the case.
1. Alabama
2. tOSU
3. Clemson
4. Big 10 Champ
Not sure how you leave out the outright Champ of the best conference in CFB. Sure it's just this year, but it's the case.
Lol. Your logic is all fucky. The best team from the best conference will make it. The actual champ is not necessarily that good. Especially to screw the best team from the second best conference.
Conference championships only matter if you're comparing "like" teams. So if the committee thinks the B1G champ is a lesser team than whoever else they're competing with for that spot (UW, Michigan, Colorado, whoever) then their conference title won't even factor into the decision.
That is, of course, assuming that the committee sticks to the guidelines they've laid out, which is not necessarily a safe assumption.
GoldenEye 007
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As for playoffs, I think 6 is actually the best number. I'm not convinced a 7th or 8th team really has a claim to compete for the playoffs at the end of the season.
If it is 6, it allows for the 5 P5 conference champs (not that there would be an autobid), and a wildcard. But of course if one of the conferences is weak and their champ just is ranked low and out of the top 6, then that opens up another slot.
Treat the format like the NFL conference playoffs. Top two get a bye, and it goes from there. Use the big bowls as rotating regional sites - unless Rose continues to be fucks. Just leave them out at that point. They can get Big 10/Pac 12 leftovers every season.
But Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Cotton, and Peach can all be in the mix to rotate the regional games and host the championship.
If it is 6, it allows for the 5 P5 conference champs (not that there would be an autobid), and a wildcard. But of course if one of the conferences is weak and their champ just is ranked low and out of the top 6, then that opens up another slot.
Treat the format like the NFL conference playoffs. Top two get a bye, and it goes from there. Use the big bowls as rotating regional sites - unless Rose continues to be fucks. Just leave them out at that point. They can get Big 10/Pac 12 leftovers every season.
But Orange, Fiesta, Sugar, Cotton, and Peach can all be in the mix to rotate the regional games and host the championship.
FloydtheFathead
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It is.. you can dicker with Clemson over Ohio State.. but it doesn't in the grand scheme of things matter since we'll play them regardless..
and we probably lose to them..
Ohio State needs two things to happen this Saturday..
Wisconsin beating Penn State first and foremost because if Penn State wins.. I really think Ohio State is fucked and Penn State will be in (SOS or not) They'll have the championship and the the head-to-head and those might be the biggies if I'm the committee.
They also need Oklahoma to beat Gondo State.. if Oklahoma loses to Gondo State.. that hurts Ohio State's SOS argument if Gondo State beats Oklahoma should number one not go the way we all hope..
If Penn State wins and Gondo State wins..
1)Bama
2)Clemson
3)Washington
4)Penn State
look at it this way CFB-GAF, if they make it.. we can all enjoy watching Alabama just dunk on them hard.
Yeah, the SEC was dire this year. Usually there's at least two or three presentable teams, but this year it was almost all terrible except for Alabama.
Just look at the QB situation. I couldn't name more than one or two good QB's in the SEC right now.
The good news is that there's some good, young QB talent in the conference that will pay off in a year or two. The bad news is that there's several coaches still on hot seats and those schools are delaying the inevitable. The other bad news is that first year coaches don't typically do well, the league had a few this year and likely will have more next year or year after.
Kirby's 7-5 first season puts him on average with UGA coaches for first season. Some good news is that the average wins in year 2 is 10.7.
The link actually has a pretty funny comment in comparing this Kiffin job cycle to Westworld.
sf2fanatic
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Question gaf, how big of difference if any would be if Bama played USC now instead of the first game?
FloydtheFathead
Member
Darnold would have made it a lot more competitive I can bet you.
Eason will be a year better too. An extra spring and fall camp will be huge. Browning is only a true sophomore and he went from mediocre to outside shot at the Heisman.
Don't think anyone wants to play USC right now. They're peaking at the right time.
I would love to see an SEC school take a risk and hire an Air Raid guy or something along those lines. You aren't going to out Bama Bama so might as well come in with a completely different look.
A big difference. Bama probably still wins but it would be close.
aTm and Auburn did. It worked for a time but Bama adjusted.
What usually happens when USC plays teams from mid-tier conferences.
Oh its happening. Either this year if Butch bolts for some smaller job or next year after Butch goes 6-6 with an upperclassman loaded team and Kiffin turns LSU into an offensive juggernaut.
superdeluxe
Member
It would definitely be a game. SC actually have the athletes to hang.
superdeluxe
Member
USC vs Michigan would be an amazing game,.
Purple Cheeto
Member
Bama still wins comfortably. Darnold gets the Trojans more than 3 points but he's too turnover prone right now to beat a team as disciplined as the Crimson Tide.
Alabama destroyed the SEC:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-sec-isnt-so-mighty-anymore-thanks-to-nick-saban-202630171.html
This past Spring, one of our best defensive players, redshirt sophomore Dakota Allen, was kicked off the team with two other players after a burglary. He played 2016 at a JUCO and we've heard recently that apparently all charges were dropped and he reached out to our coaches to see if they would be willing to let him return. Nothing set in stone yet but it seems like a decent possibility. Would really help out our LB corps.
The real reason I bring it up here is because the JUCO he went to was East Mississippi Community College, better known as the subject of the Netflix documentary series Last Chance U. He's rumored to be one of the focuses in the upcoming season 2.
The real reason I bring it up here is because the JUCO he went to was East Mississippi Community College, better known as the subject of the Netflix documentary series Last Chance U. He's rumored to be one of the focuses in the upcoming season 2.
You're joking right? Like Hugh Freeze, Sumlin, Gus. Even Mullen to a degree used the spread with the almighty Dak. Petrino was at Arky. Mizzou ran spread light. Urb ran the style out at UF and I believe Saban was 2-1 against him in the SEC.
The point is, Saban adjusts and tweaks and gets better. You are right in most teams aren't gonna out bama bama, but thats because Saban is driven by something so few people are and not many coaches come close. Urban is the closest when he talks about aligning the whole school etc. Sounds awfully a lot like the process.
People also miss the 3*s he gets that are either just missed players or the coaches develop.
The real secret sauce is the huge staff, former HCs as analysts, former pro coaches everywhere, the best damned Strength Coach in CFB, and full time on staff Nutrionist. All of that is part of the process of achieving the best out of players.
You can't just hire kirby and some of the coaches, you gotta commit in full. Coach Boom was elsewhere for too long, Coach Mac didn't quite take everything with him. Jimbo has been the most successful and I believe FSU has put a lot in to the program the last decade to get there.
Very few schools can commit the resources or have the football revs to py for the operation Alabama has. Honestly Saban will retire in 4-5 years and the program will probably be okay for another 6-10. That's insane.
Purple Cheeto
Member
There are probably more spread teams than non spread teams in the SEC now. Even Bama uses elements of it.
Saban has adapted his personnel on both sides of the ball during his tenure at Alabama. He's not a fake genius like Chip Kelly who failed evolve and adapt.
Saban has adapted his personnel on both sides of the ball during his tenure at Alabama. He's not a fake genius like Chip Kelly who failed evolve and adapt.
This plus everyone saw that Bama went from basically went from dumpster fire to GOAT overnight and thought they could replicate that without realizing that there are 3-4 coaches that can do that. Which lead to a lot of bad hires and then whatever the hell Derrick Dooley is.
It's year one of Kirby. They're #3 in recruiting right now behind Bama and tOSU. That's not bad for his first full year recruiting. As far as staffing goes, it started expanding when Pruitt came and has continued to expand under Kirby.
Things are improving but nobody is going to reinvent what Bama has in one season.
sf2fanatic
Member
I still don't like the PAC-12 championship game on a Friday. They should make it a mandatory After Dark game
UGA will be fine. I think the one thing you have to remember is Kirby was the hottest assistant coach destined for an HC position for years, so the expectations were really high.
Too high for a first year head coach coming into a situation so dire on OL. Richt may have had a couple more wins due to more experience but he wouldn't have had an undefeated team with this bunch.
Whoops. I meant Air Raid. Not sure how I got those confused.
Sumlin is air raid. Not sure if Josh Heupel at Mizzou is. Maybe. Mizzou's problem this year oddly enough was on defense. Connelly's stats show that they have a good chance of improving drastically next year