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Cyberpunk 2077 Lead Quest Designer Says No Changes Based on George Floyd Aftermath; Game is “Not a Political Statement, [or] a Political Thesis”
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Psykodad
Banned
It's never too soon for a joke.
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Wth have the protests to do with Cyberpunk?
Kamina
Golden Boy
Nothing, and that is CDPR’s point. However, Woke-tards want to drag every little bit of their political agenda into the media they consume, including games.
Retardera would probably only be happy if Cyberpunks world was to be filled with BLM banners.
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Psykodad
Banned
Good, glad the Polish don't give a shit about all that SJW/PC pressure.
karasu
Member
probably shouldn't take him literally there.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
This makes no sense. Why would they add a George Floyd mission or something.
Elektro Demon
Banned
A game that doesn't want politics and real world events in game? Blasphemy I tell you. How dare they.
MMaRsu
Member
Ofcourse it will be political. Just not our current world politics. Was it that hard to understand?
The Fartist
Gold Member
Psykodad
Banned
Lol I know.
Grinchy
Banned
I'd assume there are people out there who think that the police from the game have to be removed, or have to be always depicted as the bad guys, ect. If your in-game player has a friendly encounter with a police officer in the game, then that's "tone deaf" or some stupid shit, because police officers are all racist black-killers and need to be vilified.
I noticed in the recent gameplay footage they released, you and another person are subdued by some kind of officers or agents on the ground. The most hyper sensitive will see that as a reminder of their hero George Floyd and could demand that it all be re-worked so as not to "offend anyone."
So even if things have nothing to do with any of these ridiculous current events, the twitter mobs will find a way to manufacture outrage that ties to it anyway, and thank god this person from CDPR is saying nothing is getting changed just because those dumb tweets are coming in hot.
Oddvintagechap
Banned
Not all mobs are the same though. If you give them attention, that would be the only reason they will have staying power. Some are inevitable. Like the removable of confederate flags and statues. Then there’s things like PAW Patrol. There is no juice to it. Ignore it, and its forgotten.
B-universe
Banned
The problem is that the term political has been taken to encompass almost all of reality, the point at which it would become meaningless.
I won't spend 60 bucks to be lectured upon by a studio, especially when, as a medium, videogames are probably one of the worst places to entertain a serious in-depth philosophical discussion.
The game can depict scenarios that raise questions and let the player make up their own mind, which is what TW3 seems to have managed to do so well and been rewarded for it sales wise.
Exactly.
My experience has been that, often, people who claim all games are political, but never substantiate their claim, or people who claim games should be political, have a very specific brand of politics in mind: their own.
Oh, I see now.
CDPR standing by the original plot and quests and recorded VA and not changing a thing to accommodate recent real-world events is now being described as "catering to angry gamer culture".
Just so you know, creative writing doesn't change reality.
I've saved the best posts for last:
Of course they don't. Mike Pondsmith is consulting, but obviously not on lore or worldbuilding. No, he is a fashion consultant, specializing in cyber-underwear.
If only CDPR would have requested your services, this game might have stood a chance.
I take Pawel Sasko's statement to mean the game's message won't be along the lines of an overt opinionated thesis or statement such as "Capitalism is evil, Socialism smells like rosewater" or "You should riot till corporations come crashing down". I think he uses "political", "statement" and "thesis" in that context.
That doesn't prevent the game from being political in the broader sense, that is, that it depicts a fictional dystopian scenario where certain political ideologies play out and you get to draw your own conclusions about them.
It would be the pinnacle of cynicism for CD Projket Red to criticize real-life capitalism. The Polish studio was born out of the economic and cultural devastation inflicted by 52 years of tyrannical communist rule. The company now stands as a shinning example, the poster child for the immense and unsurpassable virtues of capitalism, as it exemplifies the triumph of talent, persistence and hard work, the absolute superiority of freedom and individualism over brute collectivism.
Just imagine. CDPR's founders would probably be working at a cheese factory, had despotic communism not been kicked out and, thank goodness, replaced by a free market economy. We certainly wouldn't have the Witcher franchise nor Cyberpunk 2077 were it not for capitalism.
Equally important, the studio is a public company (source). CD Projekt is listed on the Warsaw Stock Exchange, where it's enjoyed constant growth over the years. Currently, its market cap sits at €8.01 billion (source). Marcin Iwisnki, co-founder and current co-CEO, is now a billionaire (source). That's billionaire, with a B.
It simply doesn't get any more capitalist than that.
Fantastic.
I would not be looking forward to being preached upon.
Provided it's the product of voluntary interactions and thus not of violations of rights, wealth inequality is fair and moral. Especially because the system that generates the most inequality also happens to be the system that's most effective at eradicating poverty and promoting overall prosperity: capitalism.
What a silly silly response.
First off, Cyberpunk is set in an alternate reality. Secondly, corruption is a direct by-product of statism and state regulation. Thirdly, you don't get to interpret silence or omission at your discretion, just because it's convenient to you. You can't read minds and discern intentions without providing evidence for your preferred explanations.
CDPR stands as a great corporation, a genuine triumph of freedom and free enterprise, a triumph of resolute will and creative spirit, a triumph of capitalism. Without capitalism, CDPR wouldn't exist, the Witcher games wouldn't exist and Cyberpunk 2077 would be a mirage destined never to leave an obscure American writer's imagination.
Long live capitalism.
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Denton
Member
Prerequisite for humor is that it needs to be funny, your post was just cringe.
That said there can be cringe humor that IS funny - Ricky Gervais's Extras is a masterpiece at that - but you're gonna have to train before you get there.
Grinchy
Banned
Yeah, it's a shame more companies don't have that philosophy. The vast majority seem to cave into the demands instead.
Everyone's so mortified by just the sheer possibility that the mob will figure out the sponsors or any other company affiliated and attack them for a while to get them to drop support for the original "offender."
So you end up with Aunt Jemima going away instead of the company saying, "You guys are idiots. Don't buy our shit if you don't want to." They're too afraid of the mob forcing grocery stores to drop the parent company.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
Good. No reason why it should be changed.
1st person will work better. if they do a 3rd person mode then cool but not gonna wait for it.
what do you mean bring back? it was never there except for cutscenes and on vehicles.Couldn't care less just bring back third person mode.
1st person will work better. if they do a 3rd person mode then cool but not gonna wait for it.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
Initially they said it would feature a 3rd person mode, but decided to scrap that idea. Thats what people mean with „bring back“.
Sentenza
Member
I was just watching how ResetEra is already in full crybully mode because they can't tell that "The game is not a political thesis" (as "it doesn't hamfist a single message down to the player's throat") does NOT equate to "There's absolutely no political subtext in the entire game".
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Children die every day in Africa. CHILDREN. Not a man with a criminal record. Yet the west don’t seem to care.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Exactly.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Those 'tards don't play games anyway.
Venom Snake
Member
In Poland, nothing will pass without the political context. 
FunkMiller
Member
Video games - like movies, tv and any other form of entertainment media - should always strive to tell the best stories first... and highlight politics second. If the second gets in the way of the first, it shouldn’t be in it. All of the best stories that have successfully and organically highlighted a political standpoint have made sure the story and characters are right first. That’s the only way it works.
turtlepowa
Banned
Thank god. One reason to play games is to escape reality. I don't want political or SJW stuff in games.
Night.Ninja
Banned
Why would anyone expect it to change the game?
cormack12
Gold Member
Nail. On. Head.
Dev is obviously saying the game will only self reference itself. They're not going to try and absorb real world happenings and use their game as a vehicle to make a commentary on them, or push an ideology. A game can have political themes or messages while not taking a position or forcing a cause based on real world current affairs.
Also I'm fed up of these outlets asking loaded questions like this as well. How the fuck could they suddenly absorb this into years long productions?
Jack Videogames
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NeoGiffer
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BacklashWave534
Member
Normally i would agree but based on where most of these companies are located, the TDS is off the charts. Many of us are sick of hearing how these self proclaimed communist/Marxist heroes are fighting against the evil capitalist orange man. Luckily CDPR seems somewhat immune to it for now.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
I get the feeling they mean not 2020 political. There’s a difference between issue of the day politics and the politics of humanity, the eternal struggle of ideas and ideologies. The former would quickly date and become ham fisted, but the latter, focusing on the eternal and universal nature of the human condition, gives you something that will last and become a true classic.
turntablekeepsonspinning
Banned
*kneel to progress*
nyr88nyg
Banned
Why would they? Murders happen all the time. Floyd’s death was not the result of anything systemic. The BLM was born out of a lie that unarmed black people are being mowed down in the streets by cops, but if you look at facts, that isn’t the case. Black on black violence is a much more serious problem that libs don’t want to address.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
I love how stupid and childish game journalists are
“so did you put any major changes into this game as a result of last weeks news?”
are these people idiots? do they think you can magically change development on a game suddenly at the end?
what do they honestly expect from these devs? or were they told to cram that question in no matter how irrelevant it was to the topic at hand?
“so did you put any major changes into this game as a result of last weeks news?”
are these people idiots? do they think you can magically change development on a game suddenly at the end?
what do they honestly expect from these devs? or were they told to cram that question in no matter how irrelevant it was to the topic at hand?
nyr88nyg
Banned
Gaming journalism isn’t a real job, that’s the type of job you expect liberal arts majors to flock to.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
1. They don’t have the brainpower to understand the processes behind developing a complex piece of software.
2. They wanted their gotcha question. They always want their gotcha question.
Blond
Banned
R.I.P. George Floyd
Edit: Salty Xbox Fan can't take a joke
Haha, yeah funny, black people are apes, haha so funny.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
what happened to your avatar you silly donkey?
Are you stupid?
Dontero
Banned
You can buy Braindance about Floyd death. You play as Floyd in that scene, you have to important choice to make: Do meth and fentanyl or go to your wife and kids. Player picks go to wife and wins the game. Credits roll.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
You should try playing wokenstein 2
Shai-Tan
Banned
even if there weren't a pre-existing grudge people on forums/social media tend to pile on without reading beyond the headline. something like 80% of retweets of articles are by people who don't even read them. the headline for this article is misleading
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