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[ethomaz]

It means they should not be discriminated. Laws in your country might be quite advanced but in India, their situation is quite bad. It's like they are outcast. So yes I do sympathise with them.

CDPR thread on Resetera is just made up nonsense. They are so out of touch with what real issues are it's hilarious.

That is fine and I support that too.

But that doesn't chance you should be allow to talk about a game you like.

 

[Desless1]

Been lurking for years here, and holy shit the thread and how they act over at the other place is disturbing to human kind in general!
This game is exactly like good old Cyberpunk means for me and reviews looking good as well. Top notch CDPR!

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Holy shit I didn't think I'd ever post here again, but I REALLY needed a break from Era.

You think in a year like 2020, they'd want people to just relax and play the game to forget about the worlds problems for a bit.

 

[Sorc3r3r]

Resetera has gone mad. I support Trans right but what they do there is lunacy.

Has gone!!
It always was...bro.
Always.
Who's afraid of words is DANGEROUS.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

This thread is a garbage fire.

Seriously. No talk about the content at all and all talk about TRANSPHOBIA AND ERA!

 

[Raven117]

And now that thread was closed.

These people have their heads so far up their ass. They are letting the inmates run the asylum and now they have no idea what to do with the mess they have made.

Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be a banned game there before long.

They should have just outrighted banned it. With the rules they have created, they could not have been able to do what they tried to do.

No retribution, only humiliation and mockery.

Nah man. No judgment from me. Especially on the gaming side. It was a high traffic site that did, everyonce in awhile, talk about games.

 

[Karak]

Polygons review is almost entirely dedicated to trans shit nobody cares about. And then talks about the game a little. Why did I even look at that. I'll wait for a real review like Karak

IT WILL HAPPEN

 

[thuGG_pl]

The story? Choices? Lack of verticality? Are people just going to ignore those? Apparently so.

I only heard and red the good things about story and choices. What are you rambling about?

 

[Hugare]

Lets talk about the fucking reviews in the review thread, shall we?

Theres another thread exclusively to talk about Era: go there

 

[Coolwhhip]

It means they should not be discriminated. Laws in your country might be quite advanced but in India, their situation is quite bad. It's like they are outcast. So yes I do sympathise with them.

CDPR thread on Resetera is just made up nonsense. They are so out of touch with what real issues are it's hilarious.

Yeah of course, but there are a lot of backwards countries that sentence gay people to death, see women as 2nd rate citizens. But these reeeeetards aren't 'fighting' for them though. They are just hating for the sake of hating. They're all from safe, western countries.

 

[captainnapalm]

I know it doesn't have that kind of commentary, but I think it's fair to point that they missed some potential by talking about those issues seriously. It would make the world feel more alive if they did something like that. Also the fact it doesn't doesn't bother me at all, btw. I just get why some reviewers take issue with it. CP2077 still looks pretty good regardless.

Why does this an action sci-fi story have to stop for even one second to consider transgender people? Are you insane? Is that what was missing from Blade Runner for you?

 

[ozz ex machina]

Holy shit I didn't think I'd ever post here again, but I REALLY needed a break from Era.

You think in a year like 2020, they'd want people to just relax and play the game to forget about the worlds problems for a bit.

Not a chance dude. The narrative always has to be about them and their misery. And by god does misery love company.


On the game itself - I think there are a few clickbait low scores as expected and glitches as expected. Can't wait to play and hope the bugs aren't too bad.

 

[Kiraly]

IT WILL HAPPEN

Can't wait!

 

[Topher]

They should have just outrighted banned it. With the rules they have created, they could not have been able to do what they tried to do.

The painted themselves into a corner, didn't they?

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

But yeah, ERA in it's current form is what you get when you spend years cultivating an echo chamber that leans far left politically. I genuinely do wonder how long it can last the way it's going. I can't imagine that ERA is growing it's user base at this point.

Era isn't "far left," it's radical liberal. "Far left" is public control of the economy, which Era doesn't give a shit about.

 

[Senua]

Holy shit I didn't think I'd ever post here again, but I REALLY needed a break from Era.

You think in a year like 2020, they'd want people to just relax and play the game to forget about the worlds problems for a bit.

Dude those people live and breath negativity, fuck em

 

[Infested Goblin]

I have read all reviews and TL : DR is this
In two months from now, this game will be masterpiece and one of the greatest rpg ever made. But for now is a masterpiece underneath the pile of bugs

 

[Ivory Samoan]

Ok, I've been away for a while, but I'm so glad to be back on GAF.

91 MC despite the bugs, politicized nonsense reviews and expectations: burn worthy, can't wait

 

[kretos]

"When I read the Metacritic score, I want to quit my job. It's a scandal."
"Cancel you pre-order, it's not something I would advise ordinary."
"I couldn't go in any place without dildos to grab in my inventory, seriously there are dildos everywhere."
"The game is sex, sex, action, sex, sex, sex, action written like a crappy 90s actioneer."
"I am playing on a beefy PC, I have never seen a game so full of bugs for a decade."
"This game isn't an RPG, it's a narrative adventure on a GTA map."
"Imagine TW3 map but even smaller and without visual landmarks to guide you."
"Everything is shallow and buggy, driving gunfight, IA, scripting."
"I was flooded with goodies like not any other (french) Youtuber and get the press kit days ago."
"When I see people giving 10/10 I feel ashamed."

 

[Moogle11]

For real?

Yes. Multiple reviews put it at 15-20 hours to blow through the main story. They also stress that's not way to play the game and there are lots of side quests with their own multi-part story lines.

I don't see it as any different than things like Elder Scrolls games where the main story is relatively short for an RPG, but the game is long and full of other story lines with the Guilds etc.

I'm actually glad the main story isn't super long as that makes it easier to do one full playthrough trying to knock out most/all sidequests and then play the other two lifestories faster to see the major plot differences.

 

[Mattdaddy]

The thread you linked is locked. This is the only open thread currently. Open your own link ya lazy fuck

And Twitch banning the phrase "blind playthrough".

And a company I sometimes work with just started asking everyone to put preferred gender pronouns on their bio page.

We are in the goddamn twilight zone.


But whatever, I'm fucking pumped for this game baby!! LETS GOOOO

 

[FunkMiller]

The story? Choices? Lack of verticality? Are people just going to ignore those? Apparently so.

Sad face if there's none of the promised verticality.

 

[cyen]

I moved to Era doing the exodus but during the last few months it's impossible to have any type of discussion there without the ban hammer showing if you disagree with something or if you get someone reporting you because you share a different opinion about their favorite game/plastic machine.

The mods usually goes with the flow and consistency does not exist either you agree with the majority or goodbye.

Although I fully agree with protection specially around minories I don't agree that a discussion 100% around a game cannot happen due to this.

 

[iconmaster]

Era folks, you are 100% welcomed here

Eh…

Edit to add: So they can drag down GAF too? Let them build a third site and burn it down first.

 

[Ghostage]

Feels good to be back on Gaf. I usually dont give a crap about eras politics and just put all threads on ignore but this is just ridiculous.
I havent been hyped on Cyberpunk at all but some of the reviews has made me jump on the hypetrain.

 

[kiryani]

Neogaf is BACK

 

[hemo memo]

Not a chance dude. The narrative always has to be about them and their misery. And by god does misery love company.


On the game itself - I think there are a few clickbait low scores as expected and glitches as expected. Can't wait to play and hope the bugs aren't too bad.

I’m not worried about the glitches. This is CDPR after all not Bethesda. Glitches will be fixed.

 

[Kuranghi]

I feel like the reviews are taking issues with how certain groups aren't portrayed in a realistic or even respectful light, which is why I think it's appropriate to point out and critique. Cyberpunk is a world about transhumanism and whatnot, so for the game to view trans people primarily in an aesthetic or pornographic light, then the game doesn't do a good job at portraying them within the context of the world. There should be some nuance when depicting minority/marginalized people in a world like Night City, and CP2077's getting criticized for not doing that, and I think that's fair criticism.

If they mean the sex workers with opposite genitals to what their birth sex would usually have (In 99.9% of cases), I don't view those people as trans. They aren't trying to look like or live their lives as the other sex, they just grafted something onto to them. If there are people in the game trying to live as the sex they weren't born as and people the game itself trivalizes this with no nuance or its just to "laugh at the weirdo" then I am more inclined to agree.

I don't place people who use "they/them" and talk about 3rd genders, etc in the same category as what the word trans used to mean in the past. Ie people who want to live as the other gender and no one will ever know. If CDPR is making fun of the former people with the male/female sex workers with tits/dicks then I'm fine with that because I believe a lot of those people have some sort of personality disorder.

Sorry if that sounds horrible but those people don't want to left alone to live in peace, they want to be centre stage and I find something morally wrong with that. Anyone telling others how they should think or feel is not a society I want to live in.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Someone mentioned Yong Yea. Never heard of the dude. Watched his review. Dude managed to get me hyped as he strikes me as a non bullshitter....a straight shooter. My instincts in this regard are usually on point.

Get these bugs sorted and show me it runs more than good enough on Series X and I’M SO F*CKING THERE.

YongYea is pretty good though no review can replace just watching and experiencing yourself.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Metacritic 91 is all I need to see.

Now to figure out whether I want to wait for the "next-gen patch"; is that still a thing?

 

[PotatoBoy]

Nah man. No judgment from me. Especially on the gaming side. It was a high traffic site that did, everyonce in awhile, talk about games.

I was just kidding. I think it's good that you can poke at a poster here and not get swatted out of class by an obese teacher.

 

[mckmas8808]

Seriously. No talk about the content at all and all talk about TRANSPHOBIA AND ERA!

It's just too much. It's like, if we all hate what's going on over there.......then why talk about here in "THIS" thread?

 

[Afro Republican]

All reviews are paid for, will ignore unfinished buggy game with glitches all over the place.

See open world = 10/10 and they subtract points from there.

 

[Black Chamber]

I'm predicting a 94 Metascore

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

These protest reviews don't feel legitimate. Socialism has no place in game reviews as it just makes everything agenda driven.

 

[Belmonte]

YongYea said he spent 35 hours to beat doing few side-quests.

I like a lot the shorter campaign. I never saw a RPG with lots of choices & consequences which has 80+ in length so this is a good sign for me.

 

[Raven117]

The painted themselves into a corner, didn't they?

Yup. Either they have a thread that just talks about the trans issues (if there even are any)...and strictly this. Or they ban the game. They can't have their cake and eat it to.

 

[A Regular Guy]

Gamespot gave it a 7/10, citing graphical issues and bugs, as well as being too "edgy"

 

[Desless1]

IT WILL HAPPEN

Save us! A review with no bull shit.

 

[Moogle11]

Game sounds like its fantastic overall aside from the bugs.

Shame all the reviews I've read so far are of the PC version. I want to make sure it runs fine on PS5/XSX before buying and whether one of those versions is superior since I have both consoles and need to decide where to buy.

 

[Irobot82]

IT WILL HAPPEN

Thanks brother. I don't always agree with your reviews but I fucking love that you actually review a game. It's been years since I've "read" reviews and I remembered why today. I just want to know if the game is fucking fun or not.

 

[vpance]

It's nice that people are coming back to post here, but y'all should've never left. Can't support the mental illness brigade over there.

 

[FunkMiller]

Folks... if you want to discuss Era's reaction to the game, pop over to the Era thread: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rese...get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-713

 

[jaysius]

Holy shit I didn't think I'd ever post here again, but I REALLY needed a break from Era.

You think in a year like 2020, they'd want people to just relax and play the game to forget about the worlds problems for a bit.

These freaks don't sleep a second, those are seconds they could be attention whoring and being "triggered" over a shadow... THAT SHADOW DIDN'T RESPECT MY PRONOUNS!!!!! That shadow was racist!

These people are anxiety junkies even worse than the most insane Sony Fanboi of Gaf that creates stories out of unrelated tidbits.

This game is super buggy and it needs to be known, and it needs to be the top story, not it's rave reviews that ignore that aspect.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Being in the mid-80's would be just fine with me. My expectations are not that high. I didn't really like The Witcher 3, so yea. I am intrigued by the world/theme of CyberPunk the most, along with the open-world and RPG aspects of it.

 

[Senua]

These protest reviews don't feel legitimate.

 

[M1chl]

It means they should not be discriminated. Laws in your country might be quite advanced but in India, their situation is quite bad. It's like they are outcast. So yes I do sympathise with them.

CDPR thread on Resetera is just made up nonsense. They are so out of touch with what real issues are it's hilarious.

But what the fuck does that has to do with this game? Normal person obviously support pro-trans rights or something like that, but I don't see how is this related...

 

[karasu]

They are invalid because Representation itself is a fraudulent concept.



That's not the role of fiction. It's bizarre this has to be repeated ad nauseum.
In fact, Representation directly leads to poor writing. The two are not compatible. I have explained myself at length before, so I'll leave it at that for now.



For example?
Are you familiar with the lore?

People who can't fathom the fundamental difference between a fictional world set in a dystopian future and contemporary reality have no business in philosophising about fiction. People who view fiction merely as a tool to further real-life political advocacy are forever stuck in the adolescent phase of the bookshop dweller and fundamentally misunderstand what fiction is about.

you clearly don't read lmao

 

[JeTmAn81]

Can you elaborate what is transphobic about that imagery? I mean, to me it seems like it celebrates "openess" in future society.


Well I would welcome some Gaas type added content, because DLC is probably going to take a lot of time. But that's just me. I think I payed a lot for the game already, if it's on the RPG short side...

I don't find it transphobic, personally. But I'm not part of that group. I have empathy for those who have lived a different life path and do my best to understand that I won't be able to see things exactly as they do. They say the imagery overly sexualizes transgender people and turns them into something less than human. So I can understand being critical of that, even if it doesn't strike me the same way. It's similar to how people who aren't black (or maybe just people who ARE white) are forbidden from singing along with a certain word in certain songs. Completely nonsensical to me, but I'm also not part of a group that has a special relationship with that word. So I choose to respect their feelings.

 

[CaptainConlock]

They are invalid because Representation itself is a fraudulent concept.



That's not the role of fiction. It's bizarre this has to be repeated ad nauseum.
In fact, Representation directly leads to poor writing. The two are not compatible. I have explained myself at length before, so I'll leave it at that for now.



For example?
Are you familiar with the lore?

People who can't fathom the fundamental difference between a fictional world set in a dystopian future and contemporary reality have no business in philosophising about fiction. People who view fiction merely as a tool to further real-life political advocacy are forever stuck in the adolescent phase of the bookshop dweller and fundamentally misunderstand what fiction is about.

lol chill, you're giving me a lot to work with. For one, to imply that fiction cannot address real-life events and issues is pretty baffling to me. Stories are better when they discuss complex subject matters and analyze them through worldbuilding. If you think The Lord of the Rings has no commentary on real-world events, then you haven't really understood the point of that work. Cyberpunk is no different and if CDPR doesn't try to sincerely talk about those real-world issues, then they aren't really taking Cyberpunk seriously. They are merely viewing it as an aesthetic, which is highly reductive of the genre and source material. We can agree to disagree, but I think demanding fiction should be blind to real-life and not have any themes applicable to reality would make entertainment a lot more boring.