I mean in the official guide book it mentions there's a wide range of augments, high priced and for the cheap. Go to a shitty dealer and see if they can augment you with cheap parts. Be warned of course. So I don't think you know this "lore" you're talking about.
I wrote, q-u-o-t-e,. "
Implants are not "super cheap", as per the lore. "
Cyberpunk 2020:
"While cybernetics are still expensive, they are affordable by most of the middle class to some degree, and even by the poor in some situations. " (source)
I read a similar statement regarding Cyberpunk 2077 in-game cyberware not being cheap, which I can't seem to locate now.
But that's not what I'm talking about. You are getting hung up on nothing. A common story theme in cyperpunk is the changing definition of human and what it means to be one. In some of it that even comes down to the cheapness(cheapness as in ease of choice not money value) of changing aspects of your humanity.
Yes...and?
The reviewer does not see things the way you do.
Obviously.
The point is which of the two worldviews reflects reality more closely? A rational person will always choose the worldview that comports with reality. My claim is the view I happen to endorse better reflects reality than her flawed model and, as such, she should relinquish it.
If she's not a rational person, though, the entire conversation is meaningless. There's no conversation to be had.
She thinks representation is important. Not a big deal. She feels the games depiction of it has no nuance and is shallow. She feels that it doesn't say anything about gender change and instead makes a mockery of it.
Can you provide an example of the alleged mockery going on?
Maybe it does? it's possible and I would expect cyperpunk fiction to do that, but I would expect good fiction to have something to say about when it does.
Give me a concrete example of an idea, theme or message you'd like Cyberpunk 2077 to convey.
Maybe cyperpunk 2077 doesn't? That's something to critique about it even if you don't agree with the perspective. But it's not my problem if you don't.
No, t's not your problem. You have your own to deal with.
I haven't played the game and have no real opinion of it, so I don't know why you're asking me to prove something I have no real knowledge of. My point is this reviewer clearly felt a certain way and her review is just as valid.
And here we get to the bottom of the problem.
You apparently "feel" all points of view are valid.
Not true. Invalid points of view exist.
You apparently think as long as someone genuinely feels something that validates their point of view.
It doesn't. People can be genuinely wrong, even though they feel in their heart of hearts they're right. That's where rationality comes into play.
And from how the game has advertised itself I can see where she is coming from.
Ah, so you do know, after all, hey?
Please provide examples.
but that dosen't mean I'll be offended. Understanding someones point dosen't mean I have to react the same way. I'm not trans and I don't care about trans issues. But I see no problem brining them up if you reflect them. Saying it's not there on the other hand seems pretty regressive in my opinion.
Regressive is a completely hollow word in this context.
A it's a piece of fiction made currently so of course you are going to look at it with current eyes,
No, you can look at it as a piece of dystopian fiction set in the year 2077, based on Mike Pondsmith's take on the cyberpunk genre.
The game is not trying to endorse a certain kind of society. When the game depicts, hypothetically speaking, racism it is not endorsing racism. If the game has a stereotypical Latino character, the game is not making the claim Latinos are like that. And so on and so forth.
How about that?
Now please read that in front of a mirror.
Also it's fiction based on work that critiqued it's current day. Seems kind of dumb to give fiction that is based on crtiruqing society a pass just because it has its roots in the 80s.
That's not what I'm doing.
And well I'm well aware thats its a dystopian, but thats not a free pass.
You are judging fiction as though it were an endorsement.
A film about rape is not an endorsement of rape. A game, supposedly, about shallow people doing shallow things is not a claim about real-life people.
I expect my dystopian fiction to have something to say about society. Does Cyperpunk 2077 or is it just cool aesthetics? Clearly the reviewer just think it's cool aesthetics.
Again, provide an example of what you want "your" fiction to say.
Maybe you should write "your" dystopian fiction, in order to make sure it says what you want it to say.
Well I figure someone as close minded like you
Bwah.
wouldn't listen to others arguments
As soon as you have a decent one, let me know.
Deal?
since you probably have a tight grip on what is "rational"
This from someone who seems to think all points of view are valid.
Don't let the irony hit you like an oil-tanker.
Where does she say in the review she or anyone is owed anything?
And where did I say she thinks that?
But If anyone thinks, for example, Trans people are owed a certain kind of Representation, they most definitely believe something is owed to a certain demographic.
Hopefully, this point doesn't have to be explained to you.
Where does she say they have to change anything? What she says is "I'm docking points because I don't like this".
See above.
That's what a review is. You dont want a review.
I want a competent non-fallacious review.
I remember reading in get this Cyberpunk fiction class a book called "Down in Out in the Magical Kingdom". Where people just cloned themselves and lived forever, to the point they could just do anything. Maybe the lgbqt community would have an issue in the books depiction of homesexual relationships,
It's nothing short of bonkers you would think "the LGBTQ community" would have a consensual or even unanimous opinion on anything. Millions and millions and millions of people, different people, different backgrounds, different political affiliations, different worldviews, different philosophies, cultures, etc., all conveniently holding the exact same opinion for to you reproduce here.
Complete bonkers.
where people would try it because well they might as well, they have the time to. I don't know, but it worked in that book because that was a further example of how pointless living in society had become. It had substance and something to say.
Again, I eagerly wait you providing an example of a theme or a message you'd like Cyberpunk 2077 to convey.