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Cyberpunk 2077 - Review Thread

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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
I rather play the witcher 3 with bugs. than assassins creed with no bugs.

a great game can be a great game with bugs.

there's a difference between witcher 3 and an ubisoft game. not gonna give it a closer score to an ubisoft game because of a bug...can't do it, i see the big picture.
People said that Days Gone was great but riddled with bugs... so I waited. The game got updates on my ps4 every week for a year. On patch number 63 this year I finally decided to play it...
Not only it was absolutely medicore open world grind game with bad story and characters but by the end of the game it ran like trash, textures stopped loading and it was hitching all the time :p
I kinda still want to revisit it when I get ps5...

As for Witcher 3? That shit was unplayable for me due to bad controls but I struggled through and love it. I ran into every bush and door frame on the way though
 

Kuranghi

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You do you but it's hard to argue that DLSS isn't superior to native res in Death Stranding. I don't have your eyes though.

I can see how you'd think its as good, definitely, and although I dont think its superior I understand why many people think that as well. Its probably because the image is sharpened.

So if you sharpened the native res image a small amount in the DS comparison I think it would look better to your eyes than the DLSS image. I understand why people think the small quality tradeoff in IQ is wel worth it for the absolutely giant increase in framerate, but its not for me, I usually favour IQ over framerate (It still needs to be stable though obviously) except in cases like racing games, fpses, "devil may cry-like" games where control and timing are very important or where you move the camera manually very fast a lot of the time.

Having perfect IQ (no aliasing, within reason, or other artifacts from reconstruction/ML) is more important to me than 30 vs. 60, or 60 vs. 120 fps because better framerate doesn't make me appreciate the environments or small details I wouldn't otherwise have seen. I know that you see more frames of the animation in the game and that could be really important if everything is moving really fast, like in Doom for example, but thats often covered under the exceptions I made above. If I let my eyes get used to 30fps then after a while I don't even notice theres that much more stutter, same as when I watch a film at 24fps.
 

MC NME

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Don't really want to delve into reviews too much due to possible spoilers. But is there any information regarding next gen performance? Have the choice to go for ps5 or xsx, but rather go ps5. Just worried that backward compatibility mode will be weaker on ps5 despite parity in performances in compatible next gen games that have been seen so far.

BTW, it is nice to be able to speak about a video game freely... Imagine. On a video game site!
 

jbortz78

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Question I just looked through the pages here hoping for something on console performance (esp PS4 Pro). But seems all reviews so far are on PC or am I mistaken?
 

THEAP99

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Since when is Witcher 3 a sloppy game?

it's because these morons we'll have nothing but CoD/Gotcha clones in a couple of years.
I played it earlier this year. 80 hours total. I loved the world and narrative, but everything else was sloppy. Dialogue would cut out sometimes, combat enemies spasming out, etc.. here is an example I got first hand of the sloppiness



The controls especially
 
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Are you being serious right now?


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jaysius

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I played it earlier this year. 80 hours total. I loved the world and narrative, but everything else was sloppy. Dialogue would cut out sometimes, combat enemies spasming out, etc.. here is an example I got first hand of the sloppiness



The controls especially


Yup CDRP make shitshow quality games that take about half a year for them to unfuck, and even in that process they end up fucking some aspects they've previously fixed.

Hyperbolic reviewers that don't care about fucking their readers with a buggy shitshow put the games on the highest pedestals they can find to bolster sales, and then the fanbois of said product tell the people suffering from all the bugs that they're wrong or stupid because X number of media outlets didn't mention said bugs. The review sites keep their AD revenue from the company and the company makes their sales with vague promises to fix all the bugs in their game, the consumer gets a bucket full of slop and has to enjoy it as is.
 
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Here are some games that I've played in recent memory that are bugs galore, hurting the immersive experience games are supposed to provide. It's unacceptable:

- Days Gone
- Witcher 3
- Miles Morales
- FF7R
- Outer Worlds
- Black Ops 4
- Dying Light

It's time to get real.
Especially with the rising price in AAA games, constant immersive breaking bugs are unacceptable and should be factored into all reviews. The fact Cyberpunk is in a near unplayable state and is rated as high as it is pathetic. The fact that Miles Morales & Days Gone launched the way they did is pathetic. It's even more pathetic that 5 years later, I experienced numerous bugs in witcher 3 when I played through it this year. Don't hold your breath for the Cyberpunk bugs to be completely fixed for a while if at all.

This is highly anti-consumer as people with bad wifi or live in a poor country are getting a butchered game right out of the box.

STOP NORMALIZING SLOPPY GAMES


Unfortunately, people are going to (already are, actually) give the game a pass for bugs. Which is fine, cool, but, like you said, it bothers me that other games got decked negatively for bugs but this does not. It is what it is. Will see how bad the bugs are come launch day.

Question I just looked through the pages here hoping for something on console performance (esp PS4 Pro). But seems all reviews so far are on PC or am I mistaken?

Yes, only PC right now.
 
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THEAP99

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Unfortunately, people are going to (already are, actually) give the game a pass for bugs. Which is fine, cool, but, like you said, it bothers me that other games got decked negatively for bugs but this does not. It is what it is. Will see how bad the bugs are come launch day.



Yes, only PC right now.
What's even worse is it sets a bad precedent for massive day one patches to supposedly fix everything (even though people like skillup said that's impossible for this). Like it'll literally be unplayable for people without wifi.
 

GetemMa

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I'm guessing no console review code means the console versions are significantly compromised versions of the game and would have reviewed significantly worse. From the leaked video I've seen of console gameplay, the visuals are not very good at all. I'm glad I have a good PC but they really should have just made this a next gen game and waited for release until the middle of next year. Would have saved some crunch and a lot of bugs. Also would have saved them from their big game being played on really old tech.
 
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Don't really want to delve into reviews too much due to possible spoilers. But is there any information regarding next gen performance? Have the choice to go for ps5 or xsx, but rather go ps5. Just worried that backward compatibility mode will be weaker on ps5 despite parity in performances in compatible next gen games that have been seen so far.

BTW, it is nice to be able to speak about a video game freely... Imagine. On a video game site!
There are leaked videos of the game running at a smooth 60fps on PS5, and this is before day one patch.
Welcome to NeoGaf!
 
I'm guessing no console review code means the console versions are significantly compromised versions of the game and would have reviewed significantly worse. From the leaked video I've seen of console gameplay, the visuals are not very good at all. I'm glad I have a good PC but they really should have just made this a next gen game and waited for release until the middle of next year. Would have saved some crunch and a lot of bugs. Also would have saved them from their big game being played on really old tech.

I think current gen will be fine

Last gen will be a shitshow I bet though
 

noise36

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Just came in here to say: Fuck ResetERA.

Enjoy Cyberpunk my fellow gamers. I for one am glad the OTT “politically correct” twats making a big deal over nothing are going to miss out on this game.

The irony is the mods there act like the thought police constantly banning people for their thoughts and opinions and not actually for breaking any rules.

For a place apparently safe for those that are different to the norm it's not very safe for people with different opinions to their own.

Glad the game is reviewing well, would have bought it anyway. Those couple of low scores scream of clickbait, surprised by GameSpot as it used to be respected, clearly not anymore.
 
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ChazGW7

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The entire idea of even judging this game based on how it handles transgender issues is totally insane. She talks about "fetishization at every turn", but that's because she often sees that one ad that uses a woman with a dick to sell a drink. I'm sure all the billboards repeat just like they do in real life.

It's all based on one stupid ad, which is totally in keeping with the cyberpunk genre and the crass commodification of sexuality, by the way, as you point out. That's it - so because the game has this ad it has to stop to consider transgender people? It's a sci-fi action game - think about how insane that is. The whole thing is just a concocted, manufactured bullshit controversy.
It’s all based on one ad? Have you played the game? Cause if not, I don’t think you are in a very strong position to boil down all the problems this reviewer has with the game in regards to trans issues to a singular ad in the game. They’ve actually played the game, mind you.

they are likely playing the game from a skewed and biased perspective yes, but it is wholly possible and even likely IMO that there are other areas of the game we haven’t seen yet that are extensions of the issues some people have with that ad
 
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I mean in the official guide book it mentions there's a wide range of augments, high priced and for the cheap. Go to a shitty dealer and see if they can augment you with cheap parts. Be warned of course. So I don't think you know this "lore" you're talking about.

I wrote, q-u-o-t-e,. " Implants are not "super cheap", as per the lore. "

Cyberpunk 2020:

"While cybernetics are still expensive, they are affordable by most of the middle class to some degree, and even by the poor in some situations. " (source)

I read a similar statement regarding Cyberpunk 2077 in-game cyberware not being cheap, which I can't seem to locate now.

But that's not what I'm talking about. You are getting hung up on nothing. A common story theme in cyperpunk is the changing definition of human and what it means to be one. In some of it that even comes down to the cheapness(cheapness as in ease of choice not money value) of changing aspects of your humanity.

Yes...and?

The reviewer does not see things the way you do.

Obviously.

The point is which of the two worldviews reflects reality more closely? A rational person will always choose the worldview that comports with reality. My claim is the view I happen to endorse better reflects reality than her flawed model and, as such, she should relinquish it.

If she's not a rational person, though, the entire conversation is meaningless. There's no conversation to be had.

She thinks representation is important. Not a big deal. She feels the games depiction of it has no nuance and is shallow. She feels that it doesn't say anything about gender change and instead makes a mockery of it.

Can you provide an example of the alleged mockery going on?

Maybe it does? it's possible and I would expect cyperpunk fiction to do that, but I would expect good fiction to have something to say about when it does.

Give me a concrete example of an idea, theme or message you'd like Cyberpunk 2077 to convey.

Maybe cyperpunk 2077 doesn't? That's something to critique about it even if you don't agree with the perspective. But it's not my problem if you don't.

No, t's not your problem. You have your own to deal with.

I haven't played the game and have no real opinion of it, so I don't know why you're asking me to prove something I have no real knowledge of. My point is this reviewer clearly felt a certain way and her review is just as valid.

And here we get to the bottom of the problem.

You apparently "feel" all points of view are valid.

Not true. Invalid points of view exist.

You apparently think as long as someone genuinely feels something that validates their point of view.

It doesn't. People can be genuinely wrong, even though they feel in their heart of hearts they're right. That's where rationality comes into play.

And from how the game has advertised itself I can see where she is coming from.

Ah, so you do know, after all, hey?
Please provide examples.

but that dosen't mean I'll be offended. Understanding someones point dosen't mean I have to react the same way. I'm not trans and I don't care about trans issues. But I see no problem brining them up if you reflect them. Saying it's not there on the other hand seems pretty regressive in my opinion.

Regressive is a completely hollow word in this context.

A it's a piece of fiction made currently so of course you are going to look at it with current eyes,

No, you can look at it as a piece of dystopian fiction set in the year 2077, based on Mike Pondsmith's take on the cyberpunk genre.

The game is not trying to endorse a certain kind of society. When the game depicts, hypothetically speaking, racism it is not endorsing racism. If the game has a stereotypical Latino character, the game is not making the claim Latinos are like that. And so on and so forth.

How about that?

don't be stupid.

Now please read that in front of a mirror.

Also it's fiction based on work that critiqued it's current day. Seems kind of dumb to give fiction that is based on crtiruqing society a pass just because it has its roots in the 80s.

That's not what I'm doing.

And well I'm well aware thats its a dystopian, but thats not a free pass.

You are judging fiction as though it were an endorsement.
A film about rape is not an endorsement of rape. A game, supposedly, about shallow people doing shallow things is not a claim about real-life people.


I expect my dystopian fiction to have something to say about society. Does Cyperpunk 2077 or is it just cool aesthetics? Clearly the reviewer just think it's cool aesthetics.

Again, provide an example of what you want "your" fiction to say.
Maybe you should write "your" dystopian fiction, in order to make sure it says what you want it to say.


Well I figure someone as close minded like you

Bwah.

wouldn't listen to others arguments

As soon as you have a decent one, let me know.
Deal?

since you probably have a tight grip on what is "rational"

This from someone who seems to think all points of view are valid.
Don't let the irony hit you like an oil-tanker.

Where does she say in the review she or anyone is owed anything?

And where did I say she thinks that?

But If anyone thinks, for example, Trans people are owed a certain kind of Representation, they most definitely believe something is owed to a certain demographic.

Hopefully, this point doesn't have to be explained to you.

Where does she say they have to change anything? What she says is "I'm docking points because I don't like this".

See above.

That's what a review is. You dont want a review.

I want a competent non-fallacious review.

I remember reading in get this Cyberpunk fiction class a book called "Down in Out in the Magical Kingdom". Where people just cloned themselves and lived forever, to the point they could just do anything. Maybe the lgbqt community would have an issue in the books depiction of homesexual relationships,

It's nothing short of bonkers you would think "the LGBTQ community" would have a consensual or even unanimous opinion on anything. Millions and millions and millions of people, different people, different backgrounds, different political affiliations, different worldviews, different philosophies, cultures, etc., all conveniently holding the exact same opinion for to you reproduce here.

Complete bonkers.

where people would try it because well they might as well, they have the time to. I don't know, but it worked in that book because that was a further example of how pointless living in society had become. It had substance and something to say.

Again, I eagerly wait you providing an example of a theme or a message you'd like Cyberpunk 2077 to convey.
 
People said that Days Gone was great but riddled with bugs... so I waited. The game got updates on my ps4 every week for a year. On patch number 63 this year I finally decided to play it...
Not only it was absolutely medicore open world grind game with bad story and characters but by the end of the game it ran like trash, textures stopped loading and it was hitching all the time :p
I kinda still want to revisit it when I get ps5...

As for Witcher 3? That shit was unplayable for me due to bad controls but I struggled through and love it. I ran into every bush and door frame on the way though
I haven't played days gone until the ps5 ps plus collection and it's pretty good so far. Definitely benefits and the bugs are mostly Patched out
 

Luipadre

Gold Member
I'm guessing no console review code means the console versions are significantly compromised versions of the game and would have reviewed significantly worse. From the leaked video I've seen of console gameplay, the visuals are not very good at all. I'm glad I have a good PC but they really should have just made this a next gen game and waited for release until the middle of next year. Would have saved some crunch and a lot of bugs. Also would have saved them from their big game being played on really old tech.

The game looks and runs good on the PS5 based on the leaks i saw
 
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