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[Heisenberg007]

Switch 2 is a beast.

But does it eat monsters for breakfast?

 

[Fess]

More like no penis at all and acting like they have their panties in a bunch and are jealous.
I just don't understand why. People can invest in a PS5 Pro, 5090, 9950x3D, PC handhelds etc and end up playing the exact same games only slightly better. But they can't go in with perfectly normal excitement when Nintendo is finally launching a new generation console?

Only thing I'm negative about is that there are no color variants for the new joycons. We'll have a couple Switch 2 in the household, and won't be able to tell them apart without putting on a sticker or powering them up.

 

[FalconPunch]

This looks and runs extremely well, above all my expectations. Can't wait for launch!

That's the entire root of the issue. Your expectations are below the lowest expectations for the release of new technology. New technology should be better than old technology. With Nintendo, they release a handheld after the pc handhelds with worse specs.

Why? Because they're the king of misers. If you take this chip they released and put it on tsmc 4n or 5nm, even 7 nm, it would easily be the best handheld. No adjustment needed to the specs. The battery life would be much better, it would run faster and produce less heat. Instead, at least in Canada, they charge more than the steam deck with equivalent performance in handheld mode. Their games are significantly more expensive than steam, you have to pay for online, pay for game chat, remasters of old games are grossly overpriced, some games are not even on the carts, backwards compatibility is still in question for 3rd party games, etc….

So I can understand how some are impressed but many are not and I say this as someone who has a Mario Kart bundle preordered.

 

[Same ol G]

What's the deal why can't supposed gaming enthusiasts handle a capable Nintendo console all of a sudden?

There is constant downplaying and the salt is oozing in every single Switch 2 thread here. Literally. Why??

Nintendo is kicking off a new generation after 8 years with original Switch. This is when we're supposed to be excited and celebrate, not be salty and act like you can't get one or want it to fail.

Just put in a preorder and enjoy like a normal person!

This looks and runs extremely well, above all my expectations. Can't wait for launch!

People have always been afraid of Nintendo because of the potential.
Nintendo has some of the best first party's in the industry, there's a reason they are being seen as the Disney of gaming.
Only their hardware was weaker than the competition the last few gens which cost them third party support.
Since the last 2 gens we start seeing diminishing returns, we know the term for longer but now were finally seeing it as handhelds are capable enough to play 'console' games.
So now third party games look for the average person the same on Switch2 but they also have acces to all the Nintendo first party which makes it best of both worlds, add to that the hybrid nature of the device and you have a killer system.

I think this sums up the fears that fanboys have and of course explains their childish reaction to it.

 

[Deerock71]

People have always been afraid of Nintendo because of the potential.
Nintendo has some of the best first party's in the industry, there's a reason they are being seen as the Disney of gaming.
Only their hardware was weaker than the competition the last few gens which cost them third party support.
Since the last 2 gens we start seeing diminishing returns, we know the term for longer but now were finally seeing it as handhelds are capable enough to play 'console' games.
So now third party games look for the average person the same on Switch2 but they also have acces to all the Nintendo first party which makes it best of both worlds, add to that the hybrid nature of the device and you have a killer system.

I think this sums up the fears that fanboys have and of course explains their childish reaction to it.

 

[seething left]

What's the deal why can't supposed gaming enthusiasts handle a capable Nintendo console all of a sudden?

It's because people finally want a capable Nintendo console after 8 years, but instead are getting a Switch Pro at best, even with the same games that partially were released 8 years ago. Imagine getting excited over an 8 year old game with slightly refreshed visuals, or over a 5 year old multiplatform game that meanwhile can be played on a potato .
That should tell you everything about the Nintendo fanboy's state of delusion, at least if you aren't one yourself.

 

[GigaBowser]

People have always been afraid of Nintendo because of the potential.
Nintendo has some of the best first party's in the industry, there's a reason they are being seen as the Disney of gaming.
Only their hardware was weaker than the competition the last few gens which cost them third party support.
Since the last 2 gens we start seeing diminishing returns, we know the term for longer but now were finally seeing it as handhelds are capable enough to play 'console' games.
So now third party games look for the average person the same on Switch2 but they also have acces to all the Nintendo first party which makes it best of both worlds, add to that the hybrid nature of the device and you have a killer system.

I think this sums up the fears that fanboys have and of course explains their childish reaction to it.

I SMELL FEAR

 

[daclynk]

People have always been afraid of Nintendo because of the potential.
Nintendo has some of the best first party's in the industry, there's a reason they are being seen as the Disney of gaming.
Only their hardware was weaker than the competition the last few gens which cost them third party support.
Since the last 2 gens we start seeing diminishing returns, we know the term for longer but now were finally seeing it as handhelds are capable enough to play 'console' games.
So now third party games look for the average person the same on Switch2 but they also have acces to all the Nintendo first party which makes it best of both worlds, add to that the hybrid nature of the device and you have a killer system.

I think this sums up the fears that fanboys have and of course explains their childish reaction to it.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Breaking News: Heavily optimized version of game runs better than unoptimized version, more at 11.

That argument would work if you couldn't load up the game right now on pc and see an actual 'Steam Deck Optimised' performance preset in the settings.

 

[FalconPunch]

People have always been afraid of Nintendo because of the potential.
Nintendo has some of the best first party's in the industry, there's a reason they are being seen as the Disney of gaming.
Only their hardware was weaker than the competition the last few gens which cost them third party support.
Since the last 2 gens we start seeing diminishing returns, we know the term for longer but now were finally seeing it as handhelds are capable enough to play 'console' games.
So now third party games look for the average person the same on Switch2 but they also have acces to all the Nintendo first party which makes it best of both worlds, add to that the hybrid nature of the device and you have a killer system.

I think this sums up the fears that fanboys have and of course explains their childish reaction to it.

Yes, that's the only logical explanation conjured by perhaps the most deluded individual ever to grace these forums.

The reason people don't like the switch 2 is because it sucks. It sucks from a hardware perspective for 2025. It's a new handheld dropping frames in first party games talk less of 3rd party games. The best they could do at launch is Mario and a really bad looking Donkey Kong game. Toss in some paid upgrades to existing games and call it a day.

No Hall effect joysticks, no new ui(similar to Xbox series launch, controller still doesn't have analog triggers, most expensive regular first party controller, most expensive games, charging ridiculous prices for old games, game key carts, 2021 hardware, etc. The list is unending. Imo, there hasn't been a more offensive console launch since when Microsoft tried to pull that rubbish during the Xbox One launch.

 

[GigaBowser]

Yes, that's the only logical explanation conjured by perhaps the most deluded individual ever to grace these forums.

The reason people don't like the switch 2 is because it sucks. It sucks from a hardware perspective for 2025. It's a new handheld dropping frames in first party games talk less of 3rd party games. The best they could do at launch is Mario and a really bad looking Donkey Kong game. Toss in some paid upgrades to existing games and call it a day.

No Hall effect joysticks, no new ui(similar to Xbox series launch, controller still doesn't have analog triggers, most expensive regular first party controller, most expensive games, charging ridiculous prices for old games, game key carts, 2021 hardware, etc. The list is unending. Imo, there hasn't been a more offensive console launch since when Microsoft tried to pull that rubbish during the Xbox One launch.

it is switch1 150 million sells wiiiiiith AAA games you post to tell it suck every 20 minute ahahahaha RENTS FREE FEAR

 

[Fess]

That's the entire root of the issue. Your expectations are below the lowest expectations for the release of new technology. New technology should be better than old technology. With Nintendo, they release a handheld after the pc handhelds with worse specs.

Why? Because they're the king of misers. If you take this chip they released and put it on tsmc 4n or 5nm, even 7 nm, it would easily be the best handheld. No adjustment needed to the specs. The battery life would be much better, it would run faster and produce less heat. Instead, at least in Canada, they charge more than the steam deck with equivalent performance in handheld mode. Their games are significantly more expensive than steam, you have to pay for online, pay for game chat, remasters of old games are grossly overpriced, some games are not even on the carts, backwards compatibility is still in question for 3rd party games, etc….

So I can understand how some are impressed but many are not and I say this as someone who has a Mario Kart bundle preordered.

I don't see why. Lower end cheaper PC hardware in a nicely designed shell with first party exclusives and optimized console versions is what console gaming has been like for decades. I have a 5090 PC, you think I'm excited about the hardware in PS5 Pro?

So why is weaker PC hardware a problem for consoles now??

We've had at least 2 generations of low-end PC type of consoles. At least previously we had exclusives, it didn't matter that your PC was more powerful, you still couldn't play Uncharted on your PC.

Today you get PC ports for everything on PlayStation and Xbox, which makes it completely fair to question if anyone with a PC actually need a Playstation or Xbox. But Nintendo ain't doing PC ports, yet. And their old hardware was launched 8 years ago. Even if Nintendo's artists can't do anything like Cyberpunk there should be excitement here for this launch considering the increased capabilities on display here and the exclusives we'll get.

 

[Kikorin]

Why spent 469€ on a Switch 2 when you can have that Steam Deck little monster for just 569€?

 

[Fess]

It's because people finally want a capable Nintendo console after 8 years, but instead are getting a Switch Pro at best, even with the same games that partially were released 8 years ago. Imagine getting excited over an 8 year old game with slightly refreshed visuals, or over a 5 year old multiplatform game that meanwhile can be played on a potato .
That should tell you everything about the Nintendo fanboy's state of delusion, at least if you aren't one yourself.

So what exactly did they expect if hardware more capable than what got you - TLOUP2, Forza Horizon 3-4, Driveclub, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne, FF7R, Gears 5, Uncharted 4 - in handheld form with a 120hz gsync screen isn't enough?

I think people got stuck staring at Mario Kart World and thought that looked too similar to Mario Kart 8.

The videos showing Cyberpunk should change the tone, but it isn't.

The hardware seems great. Can't expect much more unless they go for a more expensive one or a stationary console.

Nintendo's own artists might still be stuck in the past though. That's something they need to sort out imo. But we'll see if things change when they release their next Mario or Zelda game.

 

[Mr Moose]

When DF compare footage: Fucking DF, why didn't they just wait? Assholes! LIARS!
When this guy, who makes shit videos, does it:

 

[seething left]

So what exactly did they expect if hardware more capable than what got you - TLOUP2, Forza Horizon 3-4, Driveclub, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne, FF7R, Gears 5, Uncharted 4 - in handheld form with a 120hz gsync screen isn't enough?

If you like playing old games (for nostalgia) then it may be enough. Have been playing most of the mentioned games on a Deck years ago.
Otherwise, no, that's not enough.
Show me Alan Wake 2 or other recent AAA games (that are not visual novels) running on that modern, powerful Nintendo hardware everyone seems to praise.

I think people got stuck staring at Mario Kart World and thought that looked too similar to Mario Kart 8.

That's another perfect example. MKW could perfectly run on the 8 year old Switch. But since Nintendo fanboys are fine with Nintendo feeding them the same old shit for 8+ years, why even bother? Nintendo doesn't need to innovate when their average fanbase are so unpretentious.

 

[MrJangles]

What's the deal why can't supposed gaming enthusiasts handle a capable Nintendo console all of a sudden?

Because they are you-know-who fanboys. The biggest shower of pricks the industry has seen since they crawled out under rocks back in 1995, most of whom had never even played a game beforehand.

 

[FireFly]

That's the entire root of the issue. Your expectations are below the lowest expectations for the release of new technology. New technology should be better than old technology. With Nintendo, they release a handheld after the pc handhelds with worse specs.

Why? Because they're the king of misers. If you take this chip they released and put it on tsmc 4n or 5nm, even 7 nm, it would easily be the best handheld. No adjustment needed to the specs. The battery life would be much better, it would run faster and produce less heat. Instead, at least in Canada, they charge more than the steam deck with equivalent performance in handheld mode. Their games are significantly more expensive than steam, you have to pay for online, pay for game chat, remasters of old games are grossly overpriced, some games are not even on the carts, backwards compatibility is still in question for 3rd party games, etc….

So I can understand how some are impressed but many are not and I say this as someone who has a Mario Kart bundle preordered.

Going from Ampere to Ada on 5nm gets you around 50% more performance per watt. So split between more battery and life and performance, you could get a product with the same battery life as the Switch 1 with slightly better performance than the Switch 2. (In reality the improvement would probably be less because the Switch 2 already incorporates Ada's clock gating) I doubt that if such a product was actually released, it would change your opinion at all, since it wouldn't alter any of the other points you list and would barely qualify even as a "Pro" level upgrade.

I think the reason to get a Switch 2 was never to "win" the PC handheld wars, because the majority of PC games will not be available on it. A Nintendo handheld was always going to have more expensive games, on a closed platform, that don't see significant price drops over the course of its lifetime. That's just the reality of Nintendo's strategy, which has continued to make huge profits for them. The people that are interested in the Switch 2 are those that already believe this trade-off is worth it, for example because of Nintendo's 1st party output or because they want physical games they can resell.

 

[seething left]

Because they are you-know-who fanboys. The biggest shower of pricks the industry has seen since they crawled out under rocks back in 1995, most of whom had never even played a game beforehand.

Nintendo fanboys are so simple-minded. They think you have to be a Sony fanboy to point out that their hot new hardware wonder is a cheap bath toy. I get that Starbucks customer vibes.

 

[Kurt]

Yeah i mean, steamdeck isnt even released a generation behind the switch 2 (while switch 1 was 1 gen behind in terms of time, 5y+ in between with steamdeck), and steamdeck is even as outdated as the switch 1 was compared with a steamdeck.

Not sure why we would use steamdeck outdated hw anyway. We would better compare it with rog ally extreme. Steamdeck isnt relevant anymore. Its like comparing switch 2 with ps4. Its pointless.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Yeah i mean, steamdeck isnt even released a generation behind the switch 2 (while switch 1 was 1 gen behind in terms of time, 5y+ in between with steamdeck), and steamdeck is even as outdated as the switch 1 was compared with a steamdeck.

Not sure why we would use steamdeck outdated hw anyway. We would better compare it with rog ally extreme. Steamdeck isnt relevant anymore. Its like comparing switch 2 with ps4. Its pointless.

The real test is how long you can hold these handhelds in the air at eye level before your arms get tired. I'd include the ROG Ally but I suspect the battery will die first so it would be a waste of time.

 

[Kataploom]

Yes, that's the only logical explanation conjured by perhaps the most deluded individual ever to grace these forums.

The reason people don't like the switch 2 is because it sucks. It sucks from a hardware perspective for 2025. It's a new handheld dropping frames in first party games talk less of 3rd party games. The best they could do at launch is Mario and a really bad looking Donkey Kong game. Toss in some paid upgrades to existing games and call it a day.

No Hall effect joysticks, no new ui(similar to Xbox series launch, controller still doesn't have analog triggers, most expensive regular first party controller, most expensive games, charging ridiculous prices for old games, game key carts, 2021 hardware, etc. The list is unending. Imo, there hasn't been a more offensive console launch since when Microsoft tried to pull that rubbish during the Xbox One launch.

People hate the Switch 2? The console that's way above all expectations and that has gaming industry taken by their balls because it's releasing very veeeeery soon already? I don't see where is that people buy most people see everywhere is excited out just indifferent, I haven't seen the first actual hater outside of the internet and even those are the overwhelming minority, just people that will hate on Nintendo no matter what

 

[MrJangles]

Nintendo fanboys are so simple-minded. They think you have to be a Sony fanboy to point out that their hot new hardware wonder is a cheap bath toy. I get that Starbucks customer vibes.

Works both ways. Tell a PS warrior his PS5 Pro isn't on par with a €10,000 PC and you can be sure they'll try and convince you otherwise

 

[Donkusei]

When DF compare footage

DF does not only compare, they also give their (biaised) thoughts.

Hall effect joysticks

We know that the sticks are different with a really good feeling. Who cares about hall effect if they made something basically as good or even better. My guess is that they couldn't use hall effect because of the magnetic system for the Joy-Con 2.

Nintendo fanboys are so simple-minded. They think you have to be a Sony fanboy to point out that their hot new hardware wonder is a cheap bath toy. I get that Starbucks customer vibes.

What about PC fanboys? Steam Deck was great... but now the toy is better...

 

[Mr Moose]

DF does not only compare, they also give their (biaised) thoughts.

If you think this guy isn't biased... *sigh*

 

[Minsc]

It's not getting a pass because its dock mode is inferior because it doesn't have a docked mode at all. The steam deck has a handheld mode with the option for hdmi out. With that logic, you might as well argue that the psp had a docked mode as well since it had video out.

A handheld with the option for HDMI out.

Only there's this thing Valve calls a "dock" they sell for it, which allows you to use it docked, as a desktop PC complete with any USB desktop accessories you might like, including a docked power supply just like the Switch 2, though the Steam Deck actually supports VRR docked, unlike the Switch 2. Only difference is the Switch 2 was designed to allow more power to be used when connected to a Dock, and the Deck does not. The Deck still has a docked mode, its docked mode however does not provide additional power beyond the undocked mode.

Shortcoming or smart design, you decide. Clearly in this scenario it's a shortcoming if it creates a large performance gap in a similarly priced hardware.

 

[Fess]

If you like playing old games (for nostalgia) then it may be enough. Have been playing most of the mentioned games on a Deck years ago.

I'm thinking more about getting that level of fidelity, not about playing old games. Not long ago people said that TLOUP2 and Red Dead Redemption 2 was still the best looking games on console. PS4 and Xbox One games.
Games with that fidelity can in theory be done on Switch 2.
How can that not be exciting?

I think if all it takes is hiring great graphics artists then that's the best scenario I can think of for a system launch.

 

[Donkusei]

If you think this guy isn't biased... *sigh*

I mean, he doesn't talk. It's just a footage vs a footage.

 

[Mr Moose]

I mean, he doesn't talk. It's just a footage vs a footage.

Footage can be misleading, you can make it look worse than it should be.

 

[memoryman3]

Incredibly misleading and biased comparison. Steam Deck can get native 800p res if you tweak shadow quality to fall more in line with the Switch 2

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

So much of this right now:

 

[daclynk]

Yes, that's the only logical explanation conjured by perhaps the most deluded individual ever to grace these forums.

The reason people don't like the switch 2 is because it sucks. It sucks from a hardware perspective for 2025. It's a new handheld dropping frames in first party games talk less of 3rd party games. The best they could do at launch is Mario and a really bad looking Donkey Kong game. Toss in some paid upgrades to existing games and call it a day.

No Hall effect joysticks, no new ui(similar to Xbox series launch, controller still doesn't have analog triggers, most expensive regular first party controller, most expensive games, charging ridiculous prices for old games, game key carts, 2021 hardware, etc. The list is unending. Imo, there hasn't been a more offensive console launch since when Microsoft tried to pull that rubbish during the Xbox One launch.

wasnt the same said about the Switch.

 

[Topher]

Because they are you-know-who fanboys.

It takes two to tango and some Nintendo fans in these threads are doing just as much warring as anyone.

 

[LordOcidax]

This thread

 

[Donkusei]

Footage can be misleading, you can make it look worse than it should be.

It could, but the quality of his videos is absolutely ok. He even shows us what settings he is using on SD.

 

[ReBurn]

At least Switch 2 seems to be getting a decent port. Surely that can't be a problem for anyone.

 

[Parazels]

Nothing new. Gaming device is always better than a fake gaming device.

 

[Parazels]

The fact that you think it's reasonable to power an x86 processor with the same juice as an ARM shows just how little you understand about hardware.

No, it means the dying x86 architecture is simply not proper for handhelds and won't last long.

 

[Mr Moose]

It could, but the quality of his videos is absolutely ok. He even shows us what settings he is using on SD.

Guess which is PS5 and which is Switch 2 (though apparently might not even be Switch 2).

His videos have always been shit.

 

[Parazels]

Not to mention that the Deck came out in 2022 so it's not like it's a huge win to be as good as that.

Switch 2 features three-year-old hardware as rumored. So, both consoles are roughly the same age, but with different approaches.

 

[LordOcidax]

Switch 2 features three-year-old hardware as rumored. So, both consoles are roughly the same age, but with different approaches.

The Switch 2 tech can go from 2018 to 2025 all depends the goalpost…

 

[RodriGames40]

The only thing powering the "underpowered" discourse at this point is Nintendo just phoning in their next gen offerings. There's a direct coming soon, and it's not like third party haven't been doing an excellent job considering these are super early ports.

 

[Fess]

It takes two to tango and some Nintendo fans in these threads are doing just as much warring as anyone.

I don't think that's true, most fans are just excited for the launch. And who can blame them after 8 years of the last generation with no mid generation update to spice things up? Excitement is perfectly normal. Many are just happy that the new hardware is capable enough to run some of the best looking multiplat games out there without looking like crap. It could've been muuuch worse.

But then there are these grumpy salty negative people with no interest in the console rushing into every thread trying to downplay exactly everything positive that is shown of the console.

The whole thing is bizarre tbh. I mean a new generation Nintendo console is launching in two weeks after 8 years of the last generation and the constant moaning like in this thread is how the talk goes on an enthusiast gaming board. Very disappointing.

 

[LordOcidax]

 

[Topher]

I don't think that's true, most fans are just excited for the launch. And who can blame them after 8 years of the last generation with no mid generation update to spice things up? Excitement is perfectly normal. Many are just happy that the new hardware is capable enough to run some of the best looking multiplat games out there without looking like crap. It could've been muuuch worse.

But then there are these grumpy salty negative people with no interest in the console rushing into every thread trying to downplay exactly everything positive that is shown of the console.

The whole thing is bizarre tbh. I mean a new generation Nintendo console is launching in two weeks after 8 years of the last generation and the constant moaning like in this thread is how the talk goes on an enthusiast gaming board. Very disappointing.

Most fans? Sure. I didn't say all. There are warriors on both sides of these types of threads all the time. Switch 2 is no different. So when folks say it is all just one-sided....I just think that's bullshit. If someone is just excited about the console then they wouldn't care about "serving crow" which seems to be a focal point for some here.

Edit: Perfect timing

 

[LordOcidax]

Most fans? Sure. I didn't say all. There are warriors on both sides of these types of threads all the time. Switch 2 is no different. So when folks say it is all just one-sided....I just think that's bullshit. If someone is just excited about the console then they wouldn't care about "serving crow" which seems to be a focal point for some here.

Edit: Perfect timing

What's the range of power that you think the Switch 2 have? Handheld - Docked?

 

[Topher]

What's the range of power that you think the Switch 2 have? Handheld - Docked?

Ask me when we have some third party outlets with hands on time with Switch 2.

 

[LordOcidax]

Ask me when we have some third party outlets with hands on time with Switch 2.

Just respond the question Is not that hard… Is simple for me… Handheld =PS4 base and Docked = PS4 Pro with Series S features.

 

[Mr Moose]

What's the range of power that you think the Switch 2 have? Handheld - Docked?

10-40W.

 

[LordOcidax]

10-40W.

That's a power consumption range an also a Fact not a graphics power range… Cmon Be brave