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[Topher]

Just respond the question Is not that hard… Is simple for me… Handheld =PS4 base and Docked = PS4 Pro with Series S features.

Why are you so annoying with this shit?

 

[Mr Moose]

That's a power consumption range an also a Fact not a graphics power range… Cmon Be brave

So what type of power do you want to measure? We know the TF of the GPU.

 

[LordOcidax]

Why are you so annoying with this shit?

Just answer

 

[kevboard]

Just respond the question Is not that hard… Is simple for me… Handheld =PS4 base and Docked = PS4 Pro with Series S features.

well, you're wrong then.

Handheld = sub PS4, docked between PS4 and Pro in raw GPU power.

 

[LordOcidax]

So what type of power do you want to measure? We know the TF of the GPU.

Just give a range for God sake, is not that hard…

 

[LordOcidax]

well, you're wrong then.

Handheld = sub PS4, docked between PS4 and Pro in raw GPU power.

Thanks

 

[Topher]

Just answer

 

[LordOcidax]

Be brave kevboard was brave…

 

[Mr Moose]

Just give a range for God sake, is not that hard…

You're talking about a range between other consoles?
Well, if we're going by TF then the range is between PS4 and PS4 Pro (which is higher than a Series S by .2 TF).
There's other things though. It has more (V)RAM than a PS4/Pro/S. I think it's also slower in this area as well though? CPU is better than PS4/Pro but worse than S(?).
It has better tech in it though. It also has a lower W budget.

 

[LordOcidax]

You're talking about a range between other consoles?
Well, if we're going by TF then the range is between PS4 and PS4 Pro (which is higher than a Series S by .2 TF).
There's other things though. It has more (V)RAM than a PS4/Pro/S. I think it's also slower in this area as well though? CPU is better than PS4/Pro but worse than S(?).
It has better tech in it though. It also has a lower W budget.

Now just give the Switch 2 graphics range.

 

[Kilau]

Just respond the question Is not that hard… Is simple for me… Handheld =PS4 base and Docked = PS4 Pro with Series S features.

Not really happy about a docked 2025 system being just PS4 Pro"+" level, we need a better comparison.

 

[kevboard]

Be brave kevboard was brave…

it's not brave to look at hardware specs lol

 

[LordOcidax]

LordOcidax Handheld =

Not really happy about a docked 2025 system being just PS4 Pro"+" level, we need a better comparison.

Lol, is a fucking handheld for God sake, what you expected… PS5 base for $450… Nobody can do that…

 

[LordOcidax]

Ok we have:
LordOcidax : Switch 2 Handheld = Base PS4+ , Switch 2 docked PS4 Pro+
kevboard : Switch 2 Handheld = Sub Base PS4, Switch 2 docked Between Base PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Mr Moose : Switch 2 Handheld = Base PS4, Switch 2 docked Between PS4 Pro and Series S.

 

[Mr Moose]

Now just give the Switch 2 graphics range.

Wait, let me check the (V)RAM on it. I think docked it will be like an S but with a few lower settings or roughly like a PS4 Pro. S has shite split RAM, Switch 2 has 12GB, right?
BRB let me check.
Edit: Yeah 12GB 128-bit/LPDDR5 102GB/s.
Maybe in some instances it could perform a bit better than a S if the S hits it's VRAM limit. This has 9GB for games.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

I don't think that's true, most fans are just excited for the launch. And who can blame them after 8 years of the last generation with no mid generation update to spice things up? Excitement is perfectly normal. Many are just happy that the new hardware is capable enough to run some of the best looking multiplat games out there without looking like crap. It could've been muuuch worse.

But then there are these grumpy salty negative people with no interest in the console rushing into every thread trying to downplay exactly everything positive that is shown of the console.

The whole thing is bizarre tbh. I mean a new generation Nintendo console is launching in two weeks after 8 years of the last generation and the constant moaning like in this thread is how the talk goes on an enthusiast gaming board. Very disappointing.

Fess, you're a good dude my brother, always polite and chill but...just take a look at LordOcidax , the guy is in full defensive mode (and an inflammatory one at that) trying to stick it to the man® on every G'damn page.

Tell me how that's not toxic or war-y, he's the definition of "insufferable" for God's sake, there's absolutely no discussion nor criticism to be had in here unfortunately...

 

[LordOcidax]

Fess, you're a good dude my brother, always polite and chill but...just take a look at LordOcidax , the guy is in full defensive mode (and an inflammatory one at that) trying to stick it to the man® on every G'damn page.

Tell me how that's not toxic or war-y, he's the definition of "insufferable" for God's sake, there's absolutely no discussion nor criticism to be had in here unfortunately...

Lol, relax Prediction are always fun… Do your predictions…

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Not even sure what's going on in this thread anymore...

 

[LordOcidax]

Wait, let me check the (V)RAM on it. I think docked it will be like an S but with a few lower settings or roughly like a PS4 Pro. S has shite split RAM, Switch 2 has 12GB, right?
BRB let me check.
Edit: Yeah 12GB 128-bit/LPDDR5 102GB/s.
Maybe in some instances it could perform a bit better than a S if the S hits it's VRAM limit. This has 9GB for games.

So docked between PS4 Pro and Series S and undocked base PS4?

 

[Kilau]

LordOcidax Handheld =

Lol, is a fucking handheld for God sake, what you expected… PS5 base for $450… Nobody can do that…

The ps4 pro is garbage and switch 2 isn't.

 

[Mr Moose]

So docked between PS4 Pro and Series S and undocked base PS4?

Something like that, yeah.

 

[LordOcidax]

The ps4 pro is garbage and switch 2 isn't.

This is about graphics capabilities and results.

 

[LordOcidax]

Something like that, yeah.

So your expectations are almost on par with mines… And are exactly what this comparison videos are proving.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Fess, you're a good dude my brother, always polite and chill but...just take a look at LordOcidax , the guy is in full defensive mode (and an inflammatory one at that) trying to stick it to the man® on every G'damn page.

Tell me how that's not toxic or war-y, he's the definition of "insufferable" for God's sake, there's absolutely no discussion nor criticism to be had in here unfortunately...

Boo-fucking-hoo. For years Nintendo fans have had to put up with this same so-called "toxic" and "war-y" posts here from PlayStation and PC handhelds fanboys and now you guys get a small taste of your own medicine and now cry about it? Just take it like it's been given out and stop complaining.

 

[Kilau]

This is about graphics capabilities and results.

I thought it was about comparing (wrongly) Tflops, switch 2 is beyond PS4 pro capabilities.

 

[Mr Moose]

So your expectations are almost on par with mines… And are exactly what this comparison videos are proving.

I just don't trust the guys videos. I would even take ElAnalistaDeBits comparison over this guys (though I don't trust his fps readouts). Not long to go now anyway until Switch 2 is out in the public.

 

[LordOcidax]

I thought it was about comparing (wrongly) Tflops, switch 2 is beyond PS4 pro capabilities.

Not at all. Things have changed.

 

[LordOcidax]

I just don't trust the guys videos. I would even take ElAnalistaDeBits comparison over this guys (though I don't trust his fps readouts). Not long to go now anyway until Switch 2 is out in the public.

Well, that's everything we have right now. And generates conversations here This is a GAMING FORUMS, i don't take anything here as personal, i am just having fun and killing the time. Also i have every gaming system available except the SteamDeck.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Boo-fucking-hoo. For years Nintendo fans have had to put up with this same so-called "toxic" and "war-y" posts here from PlayStation and PC handhelds fanboys and now you guys get a small taste of your own medicine and now cry about it? Just take it like it's been given out and stop complaining.

"Boo-fucking-hoo"
"small taste of your own medicine"
"cry about it"

This is exactly what I'm talking about, everything is a Vs and a "now I'll show ya/you'll see" with petty and vindicative posts such as yours, feels like we're back in highschool man, personally, i won't play this shite game, you boys can keep doing you if that's how you all get your kicks.

Cheers

 

[Mr Moose]

"Boo-fucking-hoo"
"small taste of your own medicine"
"cry about it"

This is exactly what I'm talking about, everything is a Vs and a "now I'll show ya/you'll see" with petty and vindicative posts such as yours, feels like we're back in highschool man, personally, i won't play this shite game, you boys can keep doing you if that's how you all get your kicks.

Cheers

He's a green rat, he knows Nintendo fans pain.

 

[MrJangles]

Yes, that's the only logical explanation conjured by perhaps the most deluded individual ever to grace these forums.

The reason people don't like the switch 2 is because it sucks. It sucks from a hardware perspective for 2025. It's a new handheld dropping frames in first party games talk less of 3rd party games. The best they could do at launch is Mario and a really bad looking Donkey Kong game. Toss in some paid upgrades to existing games and call it a day.

No Hall effect joysticks, no new ui(similar to Xbox series launch, controller still doesn't have analog triggers, most expensive regular first party controller, most expensive games, charging ridiculous prices for old games, game key carts, 2021 hardware, etc. The list is unending. Imo, there hasn't been a more offensive console launch since when Microsoft tried to pull that rubbish during the Xbox One launch.

 

[Mr Moose]

 

[LordOcidax]

Always amazed me how difficult is from some people to understand that the Switch 2 is a mobile hardware… They expectations are always far away from reality and what manufacturers can achieve to sell a product in a reasonable price range.

 

[Lokaum D+]

SW2 Cyberpunk thread number #8377420

 

[Gambit2483]

It's less than 2 weeks.

Can we finally just wait until we have ACTUAL final builds to compare against??

(God I foresee dozens upon dozens of Switch 2 comparison videos in the future...)

 

[LordOcidax]

SW2 Cyberpunk thread number #8377420

That number is going to up exponentially after Jun 5.

 

[Gusy]

MKW could perfectly run on the 8 year old Switch.

Ohhh, ok. So this is now just a "quotes out of my ass" competition.

So Mario Kart World could perfectly run on an old Switch. Sure…. Prove it then. Try to not misdirect or re-frame the conversation. You just made a clear confident statement… So give us a clear, confident proof.

Take your time, I'll wait here.

 

[Boy bawang]

Looking great. Nintendo is really in a good spot with the Switch concept. They don't really have competitors; but if they start receiving more third party support, as it seems to be the case since mostly anything could run on switch 2, they may actually start to eat a piece of the pie of the tethered gaming systems.

 

[Lokaum D+]

That number is going to up exponentially after Jun 5.

i dont doubt, the desperation for affirmation about SW2 is real.

"look how good SW2 is, look look, its amazing, look how this 2020 game is running better on this 2025 hardware than on a 2013 hardware, its just incredible."

 

[Gambit2483]

That number is going to up exponentially after Jun 5.

NeoGAF should get the jump on it and make either one single Switch 2 comparison thread or one per Switch 2 game comparison thread rule


Otherwise this place will be flooded with Switch 2 comparison threads

Edit: EviLore you might want to consider this...?

 

[Fess]

Ok we have:
LordOcidax : Switch 2 Handheld = Base PS4+ , Switch 2 docked PS4 Pro+
kevboard : Switch 2 Handheld = Sub Base PS4, Switch 2 docked Between Base PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Mr Moose : Switch 2 Handheld = Base PS4, Switch 2 docked Between PS4 Pro and Series S.

Fess :
Switch 2 Handheld = More portable than PS4/XB1/PS5/XSX/PC
Switch 2 Docked = Better than everything else out there for Nintendo games. Bonus, mouse aiming + analog movement

 

[LordOcidax]

NeoGAF should get the jump on it and make either one single comparison thread or one per game comparison thread rule


Otherwise this place will be flooded with Switch 2 comparison threads

I hope that DF makes a video with just numbers and comparisons like the good old days… Zero opinion from the crew. Just one big video with all the launch games.

 

[seething left]

So Mario Kart World could perfectly run on an old Switch. Sure…. Prove it then. Try to not misdirect or re-frame the conversation. You just made a clear confident statement… So give us a clear, confident proof.

Deliver us a clear, confident proof, that Switch 2 is not shit. Anything below scientific evidence will be dismissed.

Original Switch can run games like TW3 or TotK. MKW doesn't look impressive at all, not even a tiniest bit. It probably could run on a potato.

 

[Boy bawang]

well, you're wrong then.

Handheld = sub PS4, docked between PS4 and Pro in raw GPU power.

Mate, the base PS4 doesn't/can't even run phantom liberty, while the handheld Switch will literally have a 40fps performance mode.

There's so much more than the TF to consider. In terms of TF, both machines (base PS4 and handheld Switch 2) are extremely close to begin with. But then, the CPU, the RAM, the features (DLSS, RTX)... When you start taking those into consideration, the handheld Switch 2 trounces the PS4, hence why some games would simply be impossible to do on PS4; and one PS4 pro due to its laughable CPU.

And remember: you're probably comparing late generation PS4 with before-release switch 2. In 2-3 years, we'll be seeing stuff that people currently deem impossible.

There will be the occasional lazy port/cash grab such as Hogwarts Legacy, especially early in the life of the console. Other systems also had those. But it would be extremely narrow-minded to judge the console based on those.

When the switch 2 is properly used, it's a series S lite, which for a sub 500 hybrid console with an apparently excellent build quality, innovative controllers, and a high quality screen, is close to the best we could have hoped.

 

[LordOcidax]

Deliver us a clear, confident proof, that Switch 2 is not shit. Anything below scientific evidence will be dismissed.

Original Switch can run games like TW3 or TotK. MKW doesn't look impressive at all, not even a tiniest bit. It probably could run on a potato.

Nintendo himself stated that the MKW project initiated as a Switch 1 title and had to be moved to Switch 2 due TECHNICAL LIMITATIONS and scope of the game. Of course everything can be tuned down to run in a less powerful hardware, but that applies to every game…

 

[Boy bawang]

Just in terms of CPU, you probably cannot run 60fps Mario Kart world and its 24 racers in an open world on Switch 1 and even last generation consoles...

 

[kevboard]

Mate, the base PS4 doesn't/can't even run phantom liberty, while the handheld Switch will literally have a 40fps performance mode.

Mate, what about raw GPU power do you not understand? I'll not even read the rest of your comment

the PS4 can't run Phantom Liberty because of memory and CPU constraints. not because of its GPU.
I will not speculate on CPU performance as it's almost impossible to judge without multiple examples to compare.

it's astonishing how bad the reading comprehension of the average adult is these days.

so for the really slow: RAW GPU POWER doesn't mean CPU power, nor does it mean memory bandwidth or storage speed.

and in terms of RAW GPU POWER the Switch 2 is in the Xbox One range in handheld mode and slightly above the PS4 in docked mode.
everything else isn't comparable to any console on the market currently without more direct comparisons to judge real world performance of the other components of the system, due to them using AMD and X86 and not Nvidia + ARM

 

[Gambit2483]

Deliver us a clear, confident proof, that Switch 2 is not shit. Anything below scientific evidence will be dismissed.

Original Switch can run games like TW3 or TotK. MKW doesn't look impressive at all, not even a tiniest bit. It probably could run on a potato.

Does this count?

Nintendo Switch 2 Leveled Up With NVIDIA AI-Powered DLSS and 4K Gaming

The Nintendo Switch 2 takes performance to the next level, powered by a custom NVIDIA processor featuring an NVIDIA GPU with dedicated RT Cores and Tensor Cores for stunning visuals and AI-driven enhancements.

blogs.nvidia.com

 

[Shaki12345]

People here seem to forget that in motion even PS5 and Series X look noise and low res with horrible SSR artifacts.

Switch 2 version can only be saved by a good performing handheld version without motion artifacts. Docked it will look noticably worse than current gen and that's already ugly.

 

[LordOcidax]

Mate, what about raw GPU power do you not understand? I'll not even read the rest of your comment

the PS4 can't run Phantom Liberty because of memory and CPU constraints. not because of its GPU.
I will not speculate on CPU performance as it's almost impossible to judge without multiple examples to compare.

it's astonishing how bad the reading comprehension of the average adult is these days.

Well, memory and CPU constraints are part of the console… You can't take that part out of the equation. Also, i think that PS4 can run the game, but the result is going to be really bad.