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[kevboard]

Well, memory and CPU constraints are part of the console… You can't take that part out of the equation. Also, i think that PS4 can run the game, but the result is going to be really bad.

I will not speculate on components that aren't comparable without way more data points than we currently have.

that's why I keep my assessment on GPU power alone. you can't compare an ARM CPU to an X86, nor can you compare memory bandwidth of an Nvidia GPU to what an AMD GPU needs.

 

[LordOcidax]

People here seem to forget that in motion even PS5 and Series X look noise and low res with horrible SSR artifacts.

Switch 2 version can only be saved by a good performing handheld version without motion artifacts. Docked it will look noticably worse than current gen and that's already ugly.

Imagine if the Switch 2 looks the same as current gen… I think that nobody is expecting that… Of course is going to look worse.

 

[Shaki12345]

Imagine if the Switch 2 looks the same as current gen… I think that nobody is expecting that… Of course is going to look worse.

Which means it will look ugly docked.

 

[LordOcidax]

I will not speculate on components that aren't comparable without way more data points than we currently have.

that's why I keep my assessment on GPU power alone. you can't compare an ARM CPU to an X86, nor can you compare memory bandwidth of an Nvidia GPU to what an AMD GPU needs.

The PS4 is not only a GPU… The data of the others components is irrelevant for the end result.

 

[LordOcidax]

Which means it will look ugly docked.

Look as expected from a mobile hardware… But saying that Cyberpunk 2077 in docked mode looks ugly is just trolling.

 

[Shaki12345]

Look as expected from a mobile hardware… But saying that Cyberpunk 2077 in docked mode looks ugly is just trolling.

It looks ugly on Series X and PS5 in motion on 60fps. It will look ugly on S2.

If you don't like that opinion, doesn't mean it's trolling pal.

 

[kevboard]

The PS4 is not only a GPU…

that doesn't change the fact that we have no idea how well the CPU of the Switch 2 will perform, nor do we know how bandwidth hungry the GPU is.

raw GPU performance is the only thing that's somewhat judgeable.
but I don't expect the CPU to come even close to the Series S CPU for example. how far away it will be however is hard to say.

 

[LordOcidax]

It looks ugly on Series X and PS5 in motion on 60fps. It will look ugly on S2.

If you don't like that opinion, doesn't mean it's trolling pal.

I don't fine this kind of results ugly by any metric especially for a hardware with the size of a DVD case, or maybe you are too young to understand.

 

[LordOcidax]

that doesn't change the fact that we have no idea how well the CPU of the Switch 2 will perform, nor do we know how bandwidth hungry the GPU is.

raw GPU performance is the only thing that's somewhat judgeable.
but I don't expect the CPU to come even close to the Series S CPU for example. how far away it will be however is hard to say.

I think that in open world games the Series S is going to have a big advantage over the Switch 2 due the CPU limitations, but for corridors games o fighting games (Not CPU hungry) the Switch 2 is going to give a great battle to the Series S, especially in the textures and definition area.

 

[Buggy Loop]

It looks ugly on Series X and PS5 in motion on 60fps.

 

[Shaki12345]

I don't fine this kind of results ugly by any metric especially for a hardware with the size of a DVD case, or maybe you are too young to understand.

I said: in motion.

 

[LordOcidax]

I said: in motion.

Well if you find that the PS5 and Series X version looks ugly running at 60fps too . The only solution for you is PC then… And probably skip GTA6 on consoles too.

 

[Shaki12345]

Well if you find that the PS5 and Series X version looks ugly running at 60fps too . The only solution for you is PC then… And probably skip GTA6 on consoles too.

100% agreed.

 

[GigaBowser]

ssssoooo many talk bouts no cyberpunk buuuut i plays at launch and crud

switch 1 sell 150 million becaurse 1st parties waayyyyyyyyyyyyy better MKWORLDS and DONKEY DERSTOY CYBERPPUNK IM SORRY MY FRIENDS ITS ALL TRUE CONFIRMED

 

[LordOcidax]

100% agreed.

Why are you on almost every Switch 2 then? If you have zero interest in the console.

 

[Shaki12345]

Why are you on almost every Switch 2 then? If you have zero interest in the console.

What are you even talking about? I have it preordered 4 weeks ago.

Cyberpunk Switch 2 isn't every Switch 2 game.

 

[LordOcidax]

What are you even talking about? I have it preordered 4 weeks ago.

Cyberpunk Switch 2 isn't every Switch 2 game.

Ok, i understand, only for Nintendo games. The same path as me, but i am going to buy The Show and NBA 2K over any other platform ASAP.

 

[Shaki12345]

Ok, i understand, only for Nintendo games. The same path as me, but i am going to buy The Show and NBA 2K over any other platform ASAP.

I will buy Nintendo games. But games like Witcher 3 or RDR2 at 60 will interest me too.

But games that just about barely run, I'll play somewhere else.

 

[daclynk]

Handheld = sub PS4,

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Will look good on videos for a while until inevitably Deck 2 releases with hardware much stronger than the S2. After that, it'll be beating a dead horse with Deck 3, 4 and so on.

 

[LordOcidax]

I will buy Nintendo games. But games like Witcher 3 or RDR2 at 60 will interest me too.

But games that just about barely run, I'll play somewhere else.

Knowing rockstar they probably going to prioritize resolution over fps so 1080p30 native handheld and 1440p30 docked with better effects and textures than the past gen.

 

[Shaki12345]

Knowing rockstar they probably going to prioritize resolution over fps so 1080p30 native handheld and 1440p30 docked.

I was thinking that GTA6 could maybe do a aspect ratio with black bars to maybe hit 40fps. Otherwise I will wait for next gen. I'm done with playing 30fps games.

 

[LordOcidax]

Will look good on videos for a while until inevitably Deck 2 releases with hardware much stronger than the S2. After that, it'll be beating a dead horse with Deck 3, 4 and so on.

In terms of graphics obviously in term of sales… The Switch 2 is going to be on another planet.

 

[LordOcidax]

I was thinking that GTA6 could maybe do a aspect ratio with black bars to maybe hit 40fps. Otherwise I will wait for next gen. I'm done with playing 30fps games.

I don't trust too much in Rockstar in terms of optimization… but i have the feeling that things are going to change for GTA6… Will see.

 

[powder]

Wild how so many people were up in arms about this game being shit when it launched, and now you're all arguing over its performance on a new, even weaker console five years later. Who cares? Aren't we supposed to be over this game by now?

 

[LordOcidax]

Wild how so many people were up in arms about this game being shit when it launched, and now you're all arguing over its performance on a new, even weaker console five years later. Who cares? Aren't we supposed to be over this game by now?

Cyberpunk is probably the biggest third party game on Switch 2 at launch and is going to sell millions of copies… Yes, a lot of people care.

 

[Bitstream]

that's why I keep my assessment on GPU power alone. you can't compare an ARM CPU to an X86, nor can you compare memory bandwidth of an Nvidia GPU to what an AMD GPU needs.

I've been trying to explain this for the last 4 pages

 

[Sebastian1295]

Do we really need a thread every single day where people act like the Switch 2 is some mythical powerhouse when it truly isn't. Then when you point out that it isn't a powerhouse those same people point to games running at below 1080p being upscaled like 'SEE THIS THING IS A BEAST MAN!!!!' Good grief.

 

[Boss Mog]

That argument would work if you couldn't load up the game right now on pc and see an actual 'Steam Deck Optimised' performance preset in the settings.

Unless you show me some receipts that said "preset" is something that actually heavily optimizes the code specifically for the Steam Deck APU, I'm gonna assume that it's nothing more than optimized menu settings for the best performance on a Steam Deck which is completely different.

 

[Baemono]

NeoGAF should get the jump on it and make either one single Switch 2 comparison thread or one per Switch 2 game comparison thread rule


Otherwise this place will be flooded with Switch 2 comparison threads

Edit: @EviLore you might want to consider this...?

You summoning EviLore

 

[Bitstream]

Unless you show me some receipts that said "preset" is something that actually heavily optimizes the code specifically for the Steam Deck APU, I'm gonna assume that it's nothing more than optimized menu settings for the best performance on a Steam Deck which is completely different.

The fact that the steam deck is running the same x86 code handheld as any current gen console or 4090 powered desktop seems to be completely lost in this conversation.

The entirety of the game code needed to be refactored to run on switch2, and then many months were spent to optimize the experience further.

I don't think anyone in their right mind is denying that the footage they're showing looks incredible.

*edit*

Thinking about it some more as someone who is currently playing it with path tracing with either m+k or with dualsense -

Switch2 will probably be the best way to play it - with motion controls.

Graphically it's very capable and to be able to play it at a mostly locked 30 swigning my arms around for the sword and gyro aiming with the second controller...

it's going to add a whole level of immersion that path tracing doesn't.

Holy shit... driving in the game is mostly crappy with either controller and even worse with the keyboard.... are we going to be able to mario kart motion control the driving???

Yeahhh. these QOL improvements might make this the best version.

and the fact that the whole game runs on a small chip

it's so meta, that does make it seem like the most cyberpunk way to play the game.'


edit2

oh my god, are we going to be able to motion control drive with one hand and use the other to aim and shoot during the vehicle shootouts????

 

[ValiantInstance]

Unless you show me some receipts that said "preset" is something that actually heavily optimizes the code specifically for the Steam Deck APU, I'm gonna assume that it's nothing more than optimized menu settings for the best performance on a Steam Deck which is completely different.

That's moving the goalposts. It is far from'unoptimised for Steam Deck' when the developers put time into testing different settings and creating a dedicated preset in the game for it.

 

[Fess]

Ok, i understand, only for Nintendo games. The same path as me, but i am going to buy The Show and NBA 2K over any other platform ASAP.

I'll go with Cyberpunk because I can sync my save from PC, if Switch 2 plays it better than Steam Deck it'll be a better bed companion for the game.

And I might have trouble keeping my hands off Elden Ring, same reason, bed gaming. Unless it runs badly. But I want save syncing there too. Come on FROM!

Besides that I'll get Mario Kart World, Fast Fusion, Donkey Kong, Metroid Prime 4, whenever it arrives Silksong, and BOTW/TOTK upgrades, probably some other upgrades as well.

I know I'll get The Last Ninja Ultimate Collection too through Kickstarter.

I finished FF7 Remake recently, otherwise I would get that too, looked great on Switch 2.

Not sure what else to get, maybe the kids want something, it'll be an expensive month.

 

[Topher]

ssssoooo many talk bouts no cyberpunk buuuut i plays at launch and crud

switch 1 sell 150 million becaurse 1st parties waayyyyyyyyyyyyy better MKWORLDS and DONKEY DERSTOY CYBERPPUNK IM SORRY MY FRIENDS ITS ALL TRUE CONFIRMED

 

[TAS]

That's Steam Deck's problem. Can't have it both ways. In this comparison both are outputting to an external display and running at maximum performance while connected to an external power source. It's a fair test.

Exactly. Funny how this nitpicking only seems to go one way towards Nintendo. Fact is, the haters on this board were expecting to peddle the same old line that Nintendo was going to underdeliver on hardware and now they are desperately trying to save face. It's getting sad at this point.

 

[Baemono]

I don't think anyone in their right mind is denying that the footage they're showing looks incredible.

Eh, I saw a lot of people writing stuff with bad faith. They don't want to see the technological leap, or don't care.

Yes, Cyberpunk on a tiny mobile chip is impressive. I am impressed by Apple managing to entirely ditch x86 in favour of its own ARM chips and make them very powerful, I am equally impressed to see I can run Baldur's Gate 3 on my Macbook Air M2, and yes Cyberpunk on a Switch 2 without the battery lasting 40min and the fan making so much noise you'll think you're in an airport is also impressive.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

"Boo-fucking-hoo"
"small taste of your own medicine"
"cry about it"

This is exactly what I'm talking about, everything is a Vs and a "now I'll show ya/you'll see" with petty and vindicative posts such as yours, feels like we're back in highschool man, personally, i won't play this shite game, you boys can keep doing you if that's how you all get your kicks.

Cheers

Anyone who pays attention to my posts know I'm mostly tame and rarely get into the crap-slinging, but it's often one-sided and the other side goes nuts when they get a bone.

I'd be all for a zero-tolerance of fanboy posts, if it includes everybody, but let's be honest here, some of the more popular posters easily get away with similar behavior, and it's usually those who have been dog-piled or picked on who blow up and get banned.

So, let's either fix it or just ignore it. Otherwise it makes no sense for one side to dish it out without consequences, or have the other side fight back and then get complained about.

 

[Topher]

Eh, I saw a lot of people writing stuff with bad faith. They don't want to see the technological leap, or don't care.

Yes, Cyberpunk on a tiny mobile chip is impressive. I am impressed by Apple managing to entirely ditch x86 in favour of its own ARM chips and make them very powerful, I am equally impressed to see I can run Baldur's Gate 3 on my Macbook Air M2, and yes Cyberpunk on a Switch 2 without the battery lasting 40min and the fan making so much noise you'll think you're in an airport is also impressive.

Have we had any analysis on Switch 2 as far as battery life or noise levels? I don't recall.

 

[Baemono]

Have we had any analysis on Switch 2 as far as battery life or noise levels? I don't recall.

They said the battery is about the same as the first Switch 1 (2 to 5 hours). No hands-on mentioned a particular fan noise (which wasn't the case for the Steam Deck for eg)

 

[//DEVIL//]

if this were at least a 60 fps release, i would honestly maybe considered buying it when its a bit cheaper or used. but the full asking price and 30 fps isnt gonna cut it for me.

With that being said, it looks really good in its current state.

 

[Topher]

if this were at least a 60 fps release, i would honestly maybe considered buying it when its a bit cheaper or used. but the full asking price and 30 fps isnt gonna cut it for me.

With that being said, it looks really good in its current state.

This is why I want to see some analysis. These comparisons are focused on image quality but frame rate isn't being looked at whatsoever. Folks are wanting to make comparisons without that crucial piece of the puzzle.

 

[Kurt]

if this were at least a 60 fps release, i would honestly maybe considered buying it when its a bit cheaper or used. but the full asking price and 30 fps isnt gonna cut it for me.

With that being said, it looks really good in its current state.

Game is 40fps with vrr. It feel near 60fps because of that in handheld

 

[Gusy]

Deliver us a clear, confident proof, that Switch 2 is not shit. Anything below scientific evidence will be dismissed.

Original Switch can run games like TW3 or TotK. MKW doesn't look impressive at all, not even a tiniest bit. It probably could run on a potato.

Proving that Switch 2 is not shit only takes common sense and basic observation (A working sense of smell would also help). You will easily spot the brownish semi-solid nature of shit vs the well defined, solid structure of a switch 2. I mean you could go the scientific route and determine the molecular structure of both a piece of shit and a Switch 2 using other , more advanced techniques like spectroscopy… But you would have to be borderline retarded to not spot the difference without going the scientific way.

Hey seething Left.. you don't "prove" subjective opinions. You prove things that you claim to be objective facts.

Stop saying dumb shit like Mario Kart World could run on an original Switch without having a fking clue what you are talking about

 

[GigaBowser]

 

[Danjin44]

I still don't understand graphic whors argument on Switch 2. Were they expecting Switch 2 be as powerful as PC/PS5 or something?

Most people with brain and logic can tell you it's huge upgrade over original Switch 2 but never was going to as powerful as PC and PS5…people are not getting Nintendo systems to get "most powerful system" they are getting for the games.

I no longer can tell if it's just an acting or people just that fucking dumb.

 

[GigaBowser]

I still don't understand graphic whors argument on Switch 2. Were they expecting Switch 2 be as powerful as PC/PS5 or something?

Most people with brain and logic can tell you it's huge upgrade over original Switch 2 but never was going to as powerful as PC and PS5…people are not getting Nintendo systems to get "most powerful system" they are getting for the games.

I no longer can tell if it's just an acting or people just that fucking dumb.

they mad switch 2 get many aaa game annnnnnd sales now oohoohoohehahaw

 

[Danjin44]

they mad switch 2 get many aaa game annnnnnd sales now oohoohoohehahaw

You are not helping with your hyperbolic posts…I'm also SUPER hype for Switch 2 but some of yours posts is fanboy war bait.

 

[GigaBowser]

I still don't understand graphic whors argument on Switch 2. Were they expecting Switch 2 be as powerful as PC/PS5 or something?

Most people with brain and logic can tell you it's huge upgrade over original Switch 2 but never was going to as powerful as PC and PS5…people are not getting Nintendo systems to get "most powerful system" they are getting for the games.

I no longer can tell if it's just an acting or people just that fucking dumb.

You are not helping with your hyperbolic posts…I'm also SUPER hype for Switch 2 but some of yours posts is fanboy war bait.

I answer truth NOBODY expect mobile powersful as 50 pound consoles just TROLLING

 

[consoul]

switch 1 sell 150 million becaurse 1st parties waayyyyyyyyyyyyy better MKWORLDS and DONKEY DERSTOY CYBERPPUNK IM SORRY MY FRIENDS ITS ALL TRUE CONFIRMED

 

[Bitstream]

will we see a 40fps version of gta6 on this thing before the gen is done?
if CDPR can do this, rocstar can find a way.
Team GTA6