Cyberpunk is one of the most frustrating releases ive ever seen….

Low Moral Fibre said:
I've completed it twice now and definitely had a good time. The core game is brilliant imo but the sandbox is totally broken to the point it is worthless.

The problem is that they tried to do a Rockstar level sandbox but only really dipped their toe in so practically nothing works like it should. It is so easy to make meme clips of stuff looking hilariously broken which is surely not good for business.

Look at any of the big PS4 open world games (Spiderman, GoT, Horizon, Days Gone) and within half an hour it's obvious that there is no real sandbox. NPCs are either no-clip or hidden in parts where your weapons are disabled. There is definitely a lot to be said for just not allowing any sandbox rather than half arsing especially when you don't have Rockstar level budgets it as it allows you to polish everything else.
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This is a great post. Pretty much gets to the point of it.
 
Jack Uzi said:
Rikkori Rikkori you can't come at it from a PC perspective and say the downgrades are overblown when the game is empty on PS4/5 now. That's a major downgrade, barely any cars or peds on the streets now.
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Yeah, the game is in a condition now on PS5 and PS4 where you could get through the story with only a few glitches and bugs now and then. That's really how I would recommend playing it to anyone as exploration etc is just not worth your time.
 
ehh I played through it 4 times for every "CHOICE" so I got my moneys worth. I really enjoyed it but I was never anticipating the game and knew next to nothing about it going in. 🤷‍♂️
 
lils said:
as far as performance goes, i don't think it's badly optimised. it's just a very graphically intensive game, and cpu-intensive as well with all the crowds and thing
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All while doing a bad job at it at the same time. I've seen better crowds in the Assassins creed games and those games tend not to run like shit and hog the CPU like CP2077 is.

The ambition was their the execution wasn't sadly.
 
The hype was built up so much for this game that it was never ever going to meet those expectations. That said, what they released (on PC at least) was fun and playable but would have been kind of underwhelming even without the hype. This was made 100x worse by the absolute shit performance on console.

I dont' think CDPR is going to recover this game in a way that satisfies everyone. I think they're going to continue bug crunching and release next-gen version that runs acceptably (not great) and then mostly call it quits for the base game. We'll get an expansion or two that will also underwhelm and then CDPR will limp along into mediocrity like so many of the storied RPG makers of old.
 
They can't salvage their reputation and I assume the people with a few braincells left have abandoned ship. This will make progress slower and the situation worse.
 
I'm lazy, so here is my critics of the game I write on Steam:

"Too many lies.

The game is way too buggy, and these keep breaking the immersion.
We're literally at an early access stage, and it pains me to write that.

But where I can't forgive CDPR is on all the lies. I can accept a game that has problems (even after 3 postponements, I could have forgiven), but what really baffle me are all the parts that have been cut.

The list is long (the police, the reactive world, NPCs with handmade routines etc ...) and I don't want to repeat what you can easily find on internet.
You can also just watch and listen to the official 48 minute gameplay video and its famous "Night City is the most believable city of all open world games to date".
What a joke...

Interactions with the world are ridiculous, food and water are useless and even have downright negative effects.
Your choices have almost NO consequences except in two or three very specific places, the rest is just an illusion.
The city is unexploited and you can clearly feel whole portions of "cut" content, I am thinking in particular of the roughly butchered Pacifia district.

I still managed to enjoy the game in some ways: a dark universe, full of details with a great soundtrack and endearing, well-written characters.
Visually, it's a great success, with a city to die for that has a real identity. The characters are extremely detailed with animations I think are the best of what can be done at the moment.
The places visited are all worked with care.

The gameplay works great. The double jump opens the door to a lot of possibilities and the Deus Ex aspect (from 2010 and +) in open world stands out a lot.
As for the feeling of the weapons, it varies a lot between a very fat pump and a smart-gun auto aim piou piou of the future (do not use these weapons) but overall it is really clean.
There is still a slight filling on certain interventions of the NCPD, which are the blue dots on the map and which represent a significant part of the secondary content."
 
For PS5 ans Series X the bugs wont be fixed we just will see them on better resolution and fps as much, maybe some RT ....the game is broken from its roots.

Cyberpunk its basically Fallout 76 but with better story...
 
Jack Uzi said:
Rikkori Rikkori you can't come at it from a PC perspective and say the downgrades are overblown when the game is empty on PS4/5 now. That's a major downgrade, barely any cars or peds on the streets now.
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Sure I can, because get what those demos were ran on the first time? PC. If people looked at that and thought it's console footage even though CDPR explicitly said that's on a 1080 Ti PC then that's on them. The only downgrade on consoles claim you can make is if you go to the only pre-release console footage exists (which only got released right near release) and compare to that, which you haven't done. And btw, here it is so you can check for yourself:


 
How about the file size too on a base PS4. I'm assuming it's the same or higher for nex gen consoles.

With all the updates it's 100+ gigs, probably closer to 200 gigs at this point. Tried to update to the newest patch but not enough storage space. Said fuck it cause I didn't want to determine what I need to delete.
 
Rikkori said:
Sure I can, because get what those demos were ran on the first time? PC. If people looked at that and thought it's console footage even though CDPR explicitly said that's on a 1080 Ti PC then that's on them. The only downgrade on consoles claim you can make is if you go to the only pre-release console footage exists (which only got released right near release) and compare to that, which you haven't done. And btw, here it is so you can check for yourself:


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Bro are you being obtuse or you just don't want to hear what's being said to you? Version 1.0 had the same amount of pedestrians during launch. Version 1.3 the cars and pedestrians are essentially gone. GONE… let me say it again in case you missed it. They are GONE. Like JumpMan1981 JumpMan1981 said the exploration is not even worth it anymore it is a ghost town. I've watched the pre release videos you posted. They aren't representative of any version of the game. Even as a PC gamer you was lied to by CDPR and if you don't believe that then you're in hard denial.
 
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Game has issues. Still enjoyed my time with it. Eagerly await some real DLC.

And yes despite the fun I had with it, its still disappointing what they showed us and then what was actually released.
 
Marty-McFly said:
I'm not sure if they've given up Cyberpunk or if it's just too much of a clusterfuck to fix.
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They haven't given up, yet. They've released several patches with patch notes too big to post on this board. But they've been oddly quiet on the PS5/XSX release. I would guess that they want it perfect when they release it, probably a new boxed release with marketing and as a definitive edition maybe with ray tracing or something like that.
 
Fredrik said:
They haven't given up, yet. They've released several patches with patch notes too big to post on this board. But they've been oddly quiet on the PS5/XSX release. I would guess that they want it perfect when they release it, probably a new boxed release with marketing and as a definitive edition maybe with ray tracing or something like that.
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Its really sad to see how naïve people are being about the next gen ports.

Stop expecting so much from them because you will most likely get let down. I would not be surprised if it gets pushed into next year and even when it comes I am not expecting it to be even close to what is on PC.

I am more interested in the Witcher 3 next gen patch but who knows when that will come
 
Tschumi said:
I've played this game for 200 hours and I know that half your complaints are generated by your not playing it as much, or as enthusiastically, as I did. It's a weird feeling. I can't change your take but this game is a totally servicable, finished game if you just take it as it is and not waste everybody's time wondering why they don't have ground breaking citizen AI. Before it released, I expected it to be a Cyberpunk life sim. I immediately saw that it wasn't, and changed my expectations. I've loved this game.

Any improvements they make are gravy.

This thread reads as clickbait to me.
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I've finished it and probably put in maybe 45 - 50 hours. To me his post doesn't read as clickbait at all.

It's commendable (I'm not being sarcastic) that you simply changed your expectations to meet reality and were ok with the result... but some of us feel like our expectations were reasonable because of bar the studio itself set for the game... and it's not an unreasonable opinion to be really disappointed with the game as a result.

I enjoyed my time with it... but it should have been better.
 
Tschumi said:
I've played this game for 200 hours and I know that half your complaints are generated by your not playing it as much, or as enthusiastically, as I did. It's a weird feeling. I can't change your take but this game is a totally servicable, finished game if you just take it as it is and not waste everybody's time wondering why they don't have ground breaking citizen AI. Before it released, I expected it to be a Cyberpunk life sim. I immediately saw that it wasn't, and changed my expectations. I've loved this game.

Any improvements they make are gravy.

This thread reads as clickbait to me.
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Still, I wouldn't say it's finished, or even close to it, and I want them to do much much more with this IP before they go on with TW4.

But I agree that people are too harsh when talking about the game. It's not perfect but which game is? It's not like Brok in God of War has a daily routine or the enemies can follow you through the map when you're in the boat. CDPR simply oversold Cyberpunk pre-launch and got people to expect serious world simulation when in reality it's just smoke and mirrors like most other games.

It was still my GOTY 2020 and if it would get nominated at TGA 2021 with the dumb Nov cutoff date in effect I would hope it wins because everything I've played in 2021 has honestly felt like tiny appetizers in comparison.

The things it does wrong can be frustrating and annoying or make you laugh, but the things it does right are at the top of the industry. For me it's among the most immersive first person games I've played outside of VR, with mods so you see the body when you look down it's pretty much perfect, and the voice acting and animations in realtime conversations are truly something else. It's just a shame that there are still so many rough spots throughout the world.
 
Jack Uzi said:
Bro are you being obtuse or you just don't want to hear what's being said to you? Version 1.0 had the same amount of pedestrians during launch. Version 1.3 the cars and pedestrians are essentially gone. GONE… let me say it again in case you missed it. They are GONE. Like JumpMan1981 JumpMan1981 said the exploration is not even worth it anymore it is a ghost town. I've watched the pre release videos you posted. They aren't representative of any version of the game. Even as a PC gamer you was lied to by CDPR and if you don't believe that then you're in hard denial.
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Show me proof side by side, all you've said now is talk. You're short on actual evidence.
 
The moment they announced it was FPS only it went all downhill from there.


I don't buy unfinished games. I'll see if they actually do something.
 
Umbasaborne said:
(For reference, im playing on xbox series x).

…..Because there is so much cool shit in this game, but fuck its just not there yet. It sucks for not only us who bought the game on consoles (if i had a pc i'd buy it there), but also for the dev team who are still toiling away on this game almost a year after launch.

Alot of people tend to assume that those who have given this game and cd projekt a hard time are haters. But for me, thats so far from the truth. As ive said, there is a lot of great stuff in cyberpunk. The combat is fun, the weapons feel great. On pc, it looks amazing (from what i've seen on youtube) and night city is such a cool fucking enviroment.

But where it falls apart is that we are almost a year past launch. The city looks amazing, why the fuck is it so lifeless? The next gen versions are no where to be seen. They are still bug fixing as if the game should have actually come out late this year or next year instead of 2020, on top of that, They removed the open ended rpg fantasy in favor of a linear story starring john wick.

I've given up hope on a big no mans sky like overhaul, but i wish they would at least give us more updates. Updates on where the next gen ports are, how the expansions are coming along, ect…

Also the ceo of the company should be stepping out to give those updates. Not forcing developers out on stream who are getting abused by the community for doing the best they can with the shit sandwich they've been served. (End rant)

i want cyberpunk to be amazing. Its frustrating because it flies so close to the sun at times, just to crash and burn right away.


The last time i felt this burnt by a game that should have been great was the master chief collection in 2014. It took them nearly 5 years to fix that but they did and its everything it should have been at launch now, and more. Its fucking awesome. It wouldnt be ideal for cdpr to take that long to make cyberpunk great, but id love to be able say the same thing about cyberpunk in 5 years
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I have to agree that it's very disappointing, specifically because it IS so promising. I'm still hoping that they will have many more fixes in place by the time they release a 'next-gen' version...assuming they still do that. But until then, PC seems the place to play the game. I'm not giving up hope yet!
 
All I can guess is that they are saving all of the next-gen updates for a single big press release to get the game back on people's radar. As far as PR, I think it's probably the right move since a trickle-feed would just aggravate people more ("it's not enough", "too little, too late", etc.). A grand re-release is the shot in the arm this game needs.
If they can really improve upon the base game in a meaningful way, and hopefully after a full year of effort they can, they might be able to salvage at least some goodwill.
 
AdamMcKraken said:
I played it on the Series X at launch, and had a great time with it. Only one game breaking bug and the rest were minor bugs, that didn't bother me. Performace was good, and I really enjoyed the gameplay. It was fun for what it was. CDPR deserved the shit storm they got, but that doesn't change the fact that fro me this was the best game of 2020.
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i'm with this guy. played it on a ps4, had maybe a couple crashes max, & thoroughly enjoyed it. yeah, their ambition faaar transcended their ability, but, as is, the game we got is a flawed, deluxe-sized slice of demented genius, & deserves being played...
 
Im gonna buy it when the next gen version is done and the DLC is out. I was never a fan of Witcher 3 but the Cyberpunk world looks interesting and cool to play in
 
Sinthor said:
I have to agree that it's very disappointing, specifically because it IS so promising. I'm still hoping that they will have many more fixes in place by the time they release a 'next-gen' version...assuming they still do that. But until then, PC seems the place to play the game. I'm not giving up hope yet!
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I've given up.

They've lied so much, at this point I'd rather just wait until another developer makes some open world sci-fi title. I don't even have the trust that they can even pull off those features and now doubt anything was "removed" or stripped from the game, I doubt it ever existed at all at this point.

I'll wait till Ubisoft does Far Cry 77 or Watchdogs 4 aka 2044 lol At least I know I'll be fucking getting a playable game and the publisher is actually doing the features they stated vs a list of fucking lies or something.
 
I'm waiting on a nextgen PS5 patch before I go back to it myself. Loved what I played (about 5 hrs)
 
I played this when it came out and was planning to play it again around the 1 year mark, having assumed it would be patched up and have tons of new content. Well so far there have been patches, but not any new content. Maybe mods? I was hoping for for DLC like what we saw for The Witcher 3. Really, there has not been any news. I think by now it is safe to assume CD Projekt Red has moved on. I guess I am not surprised given the release.
 
JayK47 said:
I played this when it came out and was planning to play it again around the 1 year mark, having assumed it would be patched up and have tons of new content. Well so far there have been patches, but not any new content. Maybe mods? I was hoping for for DLC like what we saw for The Witcher 3. Really, there has not been any news. I think by now it is safe to assume CD Projekt Red has moved on. I guess I am not surprised given the release.
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Game needed another 2 years in the oven to finish it. I'd come back in 3-4 years.
 
Irobot82 said:
Game needed another 2 years in the oven to finish it. I'd come back in 3-4 years.
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Dont build on that false hope i would say, in the next 3-4 years next gen games will start to flood the market, by that time Cyberpunk will be outdated and it will look even worse. Hell...maybe GTA 6 and TES 6 will release by that time. I know they are different games but as open world or as role playing i mean they will definitely do things more evolved than Cyberpunk.
CDPR had their chance and they blew it, they still have the year 2022 to have some sort of a redemption arc by making some really really good expansions and adjustment, but after what i saw with patches 1.3 and the free dlc (god that outfit was horrible who designed this?!?!?) i would say its safe to assume its not coming, the miracle comeback is not coming.
I would support a good improvement in 2022 by a good expansion it would definitely help to improve the state of the game and maybe get some fans back, and maybe gets some good reputation and faith back in the company. But as things went in 2021? i highly doubt that, a whole goddamn year yo, and all we got was from patch 1.1 to 1.3
LOL
 
JayK47 said:
I played this when it came out and was planning to play it again around the 1 year mark, having assumed it would be patched up and have tons of new content. Well so far there have been patches, but not any new content. Maybe mods? I was hoping for for DLC like what we saw for The Witcher 3. Really, there has not been any news. I think by now it is safe to assume CD Projekt Red has moved on. I guess I am not surprised given the release.
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There's been a hotfix/patch on average every six weeks since release. The latest patch included three pieces of minor DLC, and they have two Blood and Wine style expansions in development as well as the next-gen versions of the game. The majority of the company is still working on Cyberpunk 2077, and additional content. The latest information from the most recent investor call about a month ago, and prior to this their intention of expansions has been stated numerous times. I'm disappointed in the state the game was in at release, but adjusted my expectations and enjoyed it for what it was - to say it's likely abandoned isn't reflective of reality.

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Physical ps4 copy is 10 bucks at target today. thought about it because it's supposedly getting that next gen patch. was like eh still not worth it lol.
 
100 bucks says it gets quietly abandoned in a year's time. Probably would have gone better if they didn't spend so much time trying to regress for the sake of dinosaur platforms. But who knows what went wrong at CDPR; probably bit off more than they can chew.

It was an okay game, but I don't feel compelled to play it again since launch.
 
Mozzarella said:
Dont build on that false hope i would say, in the next 3-4 years next gen games will start to flood the market, by that time Cyberpunk will be outdated and it will look even worse. Hell...maybe GTA 6 and TES 6 will release by that time. I know they are different games but as open world or as role playing i mean they will definitely do things more evolved than Cyberpunk.
CDPR had their chance and they blew it, they still have the year 2022 to have some sort of a redemption arc by making some really really good expansions and adjustment, but after what i saw with patches 1.3 and the free dlc (god that outfit was horrible who designed this?!?!?) i would say its safe to assume its not coming, the miracle comeback is not coming.
I would support a good improvement in 2022 by a good expansion it would definitely help to improve the state of the game and maybe get some fans back, and maybe gets some good reputation and faith back in the company. But as things went in 2021? i highly doubt that, a whole goddamn year yo, and all we got was from patch 1.1 to 1.3
LOL
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Yeah I honestly don't know what to believe anymore. I'd like to hope that CDPR will indeed put everything in their game. In the past they've fixed their game and made it better. This is really the first time they screwed the pooch and it was bad.
 
CDPR set out to make an action RPG in the vein of the Witcher 3, where atmosphere, story and world building was the main focus. People saw the trailers and videos and incorrectly assumed this game would be a city-NPC-chaos simulation. That it would one-up GTA in the interactivity area. The sad thing is that CDPR did a terrible job managing expectations and the poor state of the game at launch was the icing on the shit cake. That's completely on CDPR.. and they payed the price for it.

If you think about it, The Witcher 3..one of the most respected and awarded open world action RPGs.. COMPLETELY SUCKS in interactivity, NPC behavour and AI design. It is as basic and linear as you can get. Keep in mind that by the time The Witcher 3 came out everybody had already played GTA V. Not only that but it had serious performance issues and jank when it came out on consoles and PC. But expectations were more grounded.

Right now, if you understand what CDPR was aiming for with CP2077 and understand what the game isn't... If you measure it with the same bar that you measured The WItcher 3... Cyberpunk is a great game, period. With one of the most amazing world building and atmosphere ever created for a game so far.

Cyberpunk is more "Borderlands with Deeper RPG mechanics and a better setting" than "next gen GTA V simulaiton of breathing living city with amazing NPC behaviour and AI" Cyberpunk is a beautiful bag of tricks designed to immerse you and get lost in that world.. JUST like The Witcher 3 was when it released. If people could come around and accept that fact, it would be so much easier to actually appreciate and enjoy what CDPR actually did.
 
Fredrik said:
They haven't given up, yet. They've released several patches with patch notes too big to post on this board. But they've been oddly quiet on the PS5/XSX release. I would guess that they want it perfect when they release it, probably a new boxed release with marketing and as a definitive edition maybe with ray tracing or something like that.
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Says who? Who the fuck said that? It's been a month since patch 1.3 and there hasn't been a single communication from CPDR.

The game is dead, CPDR is not Hello Games and they can't allow themselves to save the game.

The only hope is for them to slowly walk then accelerate towards a re-release of the game a few years later.
 
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Notabueno said:
Says who? Who the fuck said that? It's been a month since patch 1.3 and there hasn't been a single communication from CPDR.

The game is dead, CPDR is not Hello Games and they can't allow themselves to save the game.

The only hope is for them to slowly walk then accelerate towards a re-release of the game a few years later.
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It's been nearly two months since 1.3 came out.
 
Tschumi said:
I've played this game for 200 hours and I know that half your complaints are generated by your not playing it as much, or as enthusiastically, as I did. It's a weird feeling. I can't change your take but this game is a totally servicable, finished game if you just take it as it is and not waste everybody's time wondering why they don't have ground breaking citizen AI. Before it released, I expected it to be a Cyberpunk life sim. I immediately saw that it wasn't, and changed my expectations. I've loved this game.

Any improvements they make are gravy.

This thread reads as clickbait to me.
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And your post isn't clickbait?

"This game is a totally servicable, finished game if you just take it as it is" -- So it's finished as long as you imagine that it is?

If the game was serviceable there wouldn't be lawsuits or refunds.
 
Notabueno said:
Says who? Who the fuck said that? It's been a month since patch 1.3 and there hasn't been a single communication from CPDR.

The game is dead, CPDR is not Hello Games and they can't allow themselves to save the game.

The only hope is for them to slowly walk then accelerate towards a re-release of the game a few years later.
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It's me guessing, I don't think they'll skip PS5 and XSX and I don't think they'll just stealth release it there, logically they'll do another PR push and boxed release when it's done.

Anyway I don't see how it could be called dead, 1.31 came september 14, it's less than a month ago. If they haven't released another update or current gen release next year we can start being concerned that they've walked away.
 
The state of Cyberpunk is sad, but for some reason, I keep waiting for it to be fixed, (I love the Cyberpunk universe).
The game is very irregular, in terms of design, lore, aesthetics etc. The game is simply the best of the gen. The audio, the sound of weapons, the sound of vehicles, voice acting simply great. But in technical terms, the game is an absolute disaster. On consoles, even worse. I play it on PS5 and the streets are absurdly empty, textures take time to load etc. I do not want to imagine how it will be based on a Base PS4.
 
JayK47 said:
I played this when it came out and was planning to play it again around the 1 year mark, having assumed it would be patched up and have tons of new content. Well so far there have been patches, but not any new content. Maybe mods? I was hoping for for DLC like what we saw for The Witcher 3. Really, there has not been any news. I think by now it is safe to assume CD Projekt Red has moved on. I guess I am not surprised given the release.
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According to a YT video I watched yesterday (yes I know that kind of source is questionable at best and no I don't have a link on me), the first DLC has already been released. It's a costume for Johnny Silverhand and some other small items. Apparently there might be a roadmap out there but it indicates a series of small items as DLC, nothing major. I think in the end CDPR will fix most of the showstopping bugs, release some free items like guns and jackets, and then drop it quietly
 
I love Cyberpunk

I own the Xbox One version that came with my Cyberpunk console and the PC version (the night an day editions lmao)

Cyberpunk made me realize that I'd rather play a fun game thats technically broken

than games that preform properly but are dull and uninteresting (god of bore, the lame of us ect.)

For me fun factor is 99% of why I play or don't play which is why I play PSX/N64 games that run and look like shit but I have a blast with but wouldn't touch most AAA modern games that came out over the past four years

Modern AAA games are just souless tech demos now Cyberpunk and the backlash helped me make peace with that and see that modern gaming is a waste of time (for me) and now I play retro only
 
Ozrimandias said:
The state of Cyberpunk is sad, but for some reason, I keep waiting for it to be fixed, (I love the Cyberpunk universe).
The game is very irregular, in terms of design, lore, aesthetics etc. The game is simply the best of the gen. The audio, the sound of weapons, the sound of vehicles, voice acting simply great. But in technical terms, the game is an absolute disaster. On consoles, even worse. I play it on PS5 and the streets are absurdly empty, textures take time to load etc. I do not want to imagine how it will be based on a Base PS4.
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If they want to it can look more like this in terms of population w/ the next-gen patch. The console Zen 2 CPUs can do it.

 
robbulous said:
It's fantastic on PC, but it never should have been a console release.
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Depends on the console. It was fine on the Series X as well.

That said, the problem with this game was more than technical. It didn't live up to the promise. It was much less than we had been led to believe, from a game design standpoint.
 
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